The Rabbit Hole

What do we have here? The UK is really starting to punish and detain people for having thoughts? Or being conservative? This kind of shite is pissing a lot people off right now!

https://hotair.com/archives/2018/03/11/scrutinize-russia-china-taking-world/

It was my pleasure. This stuff is pretty fresh for me right now as I have done countless hours of research for a book I am currently working on.
No worries no hurries! Lol!

Sorry, but you continue to talk bollox. I originally asked you to " Please provide proof the"left wing" and "right wing" are wings of the same bird", you have yet to do so.

We will see, but it is clearly obvious GB is ripe and starving for a real leader.

I think it is a metaphor for what American Politics is. They all belong to the same country social club! I am I wrong?

I did, but you did not like it... Anyways. Keep beliving right and left wings are not a part of the same bird, feeded by the money suppliers.

I am almost convinced, like you, the left wing is not fed with money, but it runs on maccaroni and cheese!:-)

So what is the difference between the jailing of Fransen and Golding (Britain First) and some others too, and that of dissenters in a Communist regime?

Am I the only one feeling a tad uncomfortable about the reaction surrounding the nerve gas poisoning in Salisbury of the Russian spy and his daughter? It seems too obvious. It is way over the top. Was it to create an excuse to stir up tensions with Russia?

Keep taking the tablets

No, the Libtard Socialists and the true conservatives do not belong to the same club

True, but in the larger reference to politicians who claim to be one thing but are another, such as RINO, especially in DC where politicians are two sides of the same coin is what I took as being inferred.

Oh Gosh this was just too good to pass up! Trump is a master troll!

Yeah I know! I don't think there is difference. This is getting very crazy!

smeghead started ignoring me

Congratulations; it’s taken quite a bit of thinking to put this together!

The biggest hurdle I have in replying and staying on the subject of modernism/post-modernism/nihilism is that I’m not particularly well-read in philosophy. This isn’t because of a general lack of interest in philosophers or their thinking, particularly when it comes to that kind of “social” philosophy, it’s more because whenever I’ve put
my nose into a book about philosophy I’ve always been very quickly turned off by the writing styles that I consider, bombastic. I’m a “meat and potatoes” sort of person lol.

Nevertheless, I do appreciate that philosophy plays a role in the human experience. My rhetorical question would be, Is that role a reactive one or an attempt at predictiveness? I’m sure there are lay-people (I think I’m probably one myself) who believe it’s a little bit of both.

Trying to address the Modernism/Post-Modernism question though, the fact that various schools of thought seem to agree that these thinkings hinge around the periods of WWI, WWII, and (for the West at least) what is loosely termed “Flower Power” of 1968 is, I think, of no surprise when taken in a certain context, which I’ll briefly try an expand upon. Bear in mind this isn’t an attempt at “scholarly” thought; it’s just the world as I see it.

During WWI an absurd turn of events played out when the Poet Laureate Bridges foisted Blake’s “Jerusalem” onto the British people. Morale was so low (simplistic mainstream history tells us the reason for this was that there just seemed no end in sight to the war) that it was considered the people needed a tonic. Thus Bridges gave the country a hymn, albeit a rather curiously worded one. This plausible outcome may satisfy the unquestioning mind but it doesn’t take a genius to consider the other possibility. Rather than the war ongoing, morale was instead so low because disgruntled and confused fraternal Europeans had eventually started asking the broader question, Why on earth are we brothers slaughtering each other?

Today when I consider questions like this, in the visceral and vicarious sense, I can’t help thinking how easy it would be for such acts of senseless fraternal killing
to eventually manifest as a kind of confused malaise followed by cognitive-dissonance leading to an unsurprising rejection of the old orders. Does this ultimately describe the nihilism that Nietzsche spoke of, or Modernism/Post-Modernism? Again it’s a rhetorical question and I don’t profess to know the answer. But what I would say is, the conclusion seems logical given the sequence of events and human condition.

I can see that you’re a film buff. One of my all-time favourite movies is Powell and Pressburger’s, A Canterbury Tale. Filmed around Canterbury in 1944 it gives a fascinating insight into semi-rural English life during WWII, which in large part is due to the fact that aspects of it are semi-documentary. Having said that, the substantive part is standard film form and is just a wonderfully magical story that Powell and Pressburger tell in their inimitable way. The thing that really saddens me, however, is the closing scene. Without giving too much away we see British infantrymen gathering in Canterbury Cathedral just before heading out to “the front”. The song they are singing at the top of their voice is, “Onward Christian Soldiers”.

Three or four generations later and once again Europe finds itself in a mess. Of course, we now have the added dimension that Islam brings to what has, I suppose been “traditionally”, fraternal Christian (or denominations thereof) fighting. So, regardless of one’s philosophical lilt, it seems to me that religion has always been there as a means of either justifying the war, rallying the troops, or at this point in time, stirring up hatred that may eventually lead to war.

I think we’re in agreement that society (in however way we may define it) is at its most vulnerable when people don’t know what exactly it is they’re fighting for. Bringing Fransen and her Christian patrols briefly back into the discussion, when we talk about the middle-eastern religions in the context of European troubles, as I’ve said before and feel I must emphasise again, the debate cannot be complete or even meaningful unless discussion includes all three arms of those monotheistic religions - Judaism, Christianity and Islam.

It may seem that Europe is (in terms of its religious ideology) locked into a three-way battle between Judaism, Christianity and Islam. What I would actually suggest,
however, is that the battle may eventually become a four-way one; the Post-Post-Modernism that you speak of. If we consider that Rome was civilising Europe a good three or so hundred years before Christianity was even a twinkle in Peter’s eye then it’s clear what a Heathen (horribly pejorative word) people are capable of. Call it a feeling but I do suspect that the fourth-column in the ideological battle may be a rejection of all three mainstream religions followed by a move to something else, whatever that may be.

To use another film reference, it has always struck me that Stanley Kubrick was essentially intimating the above in 2001: A Space Odyssey. Humanity’s survival was rooted in the rejection (or at least re-examination) of mainstream religion. In the closing sequence of the original screenplay, Kubrick had placed nuclear missile-armed satellites orbiting Earth. Part of the “Star-Child’s” return was to invoke a spectacular destruction of these satellites and thus close the film in typically Hollywood
pyrotechnic fashion. Thankfully he chose to leave all of this out thus creating a much more ambiguous and beautiful statement, in my opinion. But I think for those who’ve really engaged with that film over many years, I think Kubrick's message is still very clear - in order to survive the technical space-age, to some degree or other, humanity is going to need to transcend.

In closing, I’m aware that the above, in philosophical terms, appears to be a million miles away from the scuffles playing out on London’s streets. But it seems to me that everything is connected in some way or other. I think regardless of where the world goes from here, major change is certainly upon us. Wouldn’t it be great to think that in years to come a more settled human family could look back on these times and recognise them as the beginning of a new period of enlightenment? I hope so.

(Apologies for any typos/grammar mistakes - not had time to make a proper edit)

I would like to see Diane Abbott to take an IQ test. I think my kids can beat her at Maths (they're 6 and 9).

What have you done now?

Edit: me too.

I think it is so funny when feminists discriminate against trannies. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5486023/Labour-activists-quit-men-women-parliamentary-lists.html

I like this:

"Socialism is the philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance and the gospel of envy."
Winston Churchill, speech at the Scottish Unionist Conference, Perth, Scotland, 28th May 1948.

Do you know what this is? Hint: "Enemy Coast." Lest we forget.

Abbott is an insult to stupid