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  • #501
  • Feb 22, 2018 7:44pm Feb 22, 2018 7:44pm
First, I'm glad it was only the vehicle that got hurt, I hope your wife is indeed shaken but will recover and will be back to boss you around as soon and as better as possible.


On a side note, I left the Raver on my Demo to handle the DD, two small buys smoothed some of the DD but still in a significant DD.
No Renko trades on the hybrid account and none on the dedicated Renko account, which is expected as the Renko trades significantly less than the 1M chart.

On my live account I have closed three of the most losing trades as DD approached 50$ on a 150$ account so I felt it was needed to stay afloat. No buys on this one, DD is around 30$ and balance is at 147$, hopefully it will recover.


Stay safe and well.
  • #502
  • Feb 22, 2018 10:33pm Feb 22, 2018 10:33pm
Quoting Magix
Update... Wife was sideswiped by a vehicle that had been reported "Stolen", one hour prior... Yup...day just keeps getting better!
Hi Magix, hope your wife is ok mate. Incidents like that can really shaken up a person. Hope she is not discouraged from driving in the future
What you do is a reflection of you....what I do is a reflection of me.
  • #503
  • Feb 22, 2018 10:43pm Feb 22, 2018 10:43pm
Quoting Reamasesa
First, I'm glad it was only the vehicle that got hurt, I hope your wife is indeed shaken but will recover and will be back to boss you around as soon and as better as possible.
Quoting Ezzy
{quote} Hi Magix, hope your wife is ok mate. Incidents like that can really shaken up a person. Hope she is not discouraged from driving in the future

Thanks guys!

Really means a lot when we all kind of pull together - here - as a family...

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  • #504
  • Feb 22, 2018 11:16pm Feb 22, 2018 11:16pm
Welp...

It was a long shot and basically a time suck for a week...given that, I knowingly can't continue with all of the existing trade pairs on a single account - for any Grid EA like the current.

Hasn't hit the threshold of 200 yet...but who the fuck would sleep with an account that has this kind of potential...

It's not the EA so much as the quantity of pairs in trade.

There needs to be some cushion for the account and margin.

Current account...doesn't have that.

Whether it survives 200 trades tomorrow or not...gunna kill this motherfucker and go back to the Magic 7...Survived on this for a lot of years, really not much need to walk outside the fences.

Kinda kewl to watch though...

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  • #505
  • Feb 22, 2018 11:31pm Feb 22, 2018 11:31pm
Quoting Magix
Looking gooooooood, telac! Still bagging some cheese with a lot of cushion! {image}
Ya, so far excellent!! My M15 Evolution just pulled another wobbly and fired off a bunch of trades - not nearly as many as on M1 but still so weird! Grasping at straws I bumped up the ram on my VPS as I know it was really bogged down showing near 100% usage a lot of the time as I have have Evo and 3 other terminals running. When computers start using hard disk for ram some goofy stuff can happen so.... see if more ram helps anything.

All in all - most excellent!
  • #506
  • Feb 23, 2018 7:54am Feb 23, 2018 7:54am
Good that FF is back

My demo takes longs that my live doesn't. While I know we are testing it and demo is crucial for that, when the time comes, I highly recommend a period of testing on live, as well before going "official"

Had to close another two trades on my live account, on the spike down, there was an opportunity to close some of the recent sells but that would have left us with only the old ones that would still need to be closed, not sure if it's a bad idea as according to the logic as I see it, we would have gotten a few sells in a higher or same positions so we'd be better of with that.

And.... the All Renko took two very small trades! On EURGBP and AUDUSD both for around 0.5$ each.
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  • #507
  • Feb 23, 2018 9:04am Feb 23, 2018 9:04am
Quoting Reamasesa
Had to close another two trades on my live account,
What if this is the answer to the 19 trade pair question??

Instead of a weekly close out of the basket of losers...do this daily?

I mean...every day for both evolution and revolution are seemingly profitable...but the mass accumulation, especially as related to 19 pairs, has drove my account under baseline...

Wonder what picture would look like if every day...once per day...we just shut down all trades and let it do its thang...
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  • #508
  • Feb 23, 2018 9:05am Feb 23, 2018 9:05am
Quoting Telac
{quote} Ya, so far excellent!! My M15 Evolution just pulled another wobbly and fired off a bunch of trades - not nearly as many as on M1 but still so weird! Grasping at straws I bumped up the ram on my VPS as I know it was really bogged down showing near 100% usage a lot of the time as I have have Evo and 3 other terminals running. When computers start using hard disk for ram some goofy stuff can happen so.... see if more ram helps anything. All in all - most excellent!
That sucks!

Given the trade count on your M15...it actually looks better than the M1...
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  • #509
  • Feb 23, 2018 9:07am Feb 23, 2018 9:07am
210 trades closed on Revolution today...seems another exceptional day and looking over a few charts...w0w...Still NY into close...another 300 trade day?

Will we close above baseline?

Been a weird week...
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  • #510
  • Feb 23, 2018 9:08am Feb 23, 2018 9:08am
Magix despite the accumulating DD both on your Rev account and mine, they both still churning out the pips regardless.

My account is still floating -$500 in DD, but its pulled over 370 pips today, and its not done yet haha..

I'm still not interfering as this is very interesting to me to see how the EA is managing everything.
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  • #511
  • Feb 23, 2018 9:12am Feb 23, 2018 9:12am
Magix-- glad your wife is ok

I have stopped my EU lost socks Rev with all trades closed and 2.5% gain in five days completely unattended and trading buys and sells all on its own.

I personally find this quite amazing -- May be just my inexperience with EAs but I have never seen an EA perform this well unattended.

you got a real winner here magixs. The only thing I see that could be a problem ( I know you already know this) is in a prolonged hard trend.

Have a good weekend all and thanks magix.
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  • #512
  • Feb 23, 2018 9:17am Feb 23, 2018 9:17am
Quoting mrdfx
Magix despite the accumulating DD both on your Rev account and mine, they both still churning out the pips regardless. My account is still floating -$500 in DD, but its pulled over 370 pips today, and its not done yet haha.. I'm still not interfering as this is very interesting to me to see how the EA is managing everything.

The DD is really fuck all...ya know, when comes to Cost Averaging EAs...I mean really...it's draw on the account is about $50 and whatever is being used for Margin Requirements - from the week open.

I think if there wasn't a broker maximum number of trades in play, it'd be fine to run on...

Issue is...if we hit that cap and the account can no longer continue to gain, but amass more DD, shit can get pretty serious over the course of a single day.

From last night to today, we've increased the DD by over 200 and this is really only about $70 more than what we profited...which keeps the sexy equity curve and actual NET draw, low.

Shockingly...123 trades in play...this still amazes me!

If it were just 7-10 pairs...and still $200/pair floated per trade - Minimum $2k account - I think we'd be fine.

Will continue to watch some of the other test accounts and ponder over the weekend anything I may have missed or can improve.
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  • #513
  • Feb 23, 2018 9:27am Feb 23, 2018 9:27am
I guess what I'm saying is...

This could have effectively run, as a cost averaging EA, on 19 pairs for an entire week, on $1000 in, with 500:1.

Seeing what can happen with Evolution and having to beef up an account with another Grand just to make sure that I would survive...kinda made me thing that Revolution would need the same.

But if we can prosper, 7-10 pairs - $1000 in...you could have a few accounts consistently churning, with several of the micro dogshit brokers...

And like iamsovereign said...just leave it unattended...

There's always going to be risk...no matter what.

But if we can minimize risk...carry 7-10 traders per account...mix shit up a little with different pairs...keep the same equity curve...that'd be alright.
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  • #514
  • Feb 23, 2018 9:30am Feb 23, 2018 9:30am
Quoting Magix
{quote} What if this is the answer to the 19 trade pair question?? Instead of a weekly close out of the basket of losers...do this daily? I mean...every day for both evolution and revolution are seemingly profitable...but the mass accumulation, especially as related to 19 pairs, has drove my account under baseline... Wonder what picture would look like if every day...once per day...we just shut down all trades and let it do its thang...
I don't think that would be wise as it eats away both equity and more important, balance.
You might find yourself chopping off more than needed because you think so and the EA might go into a tumble of sorts.
Killing those five trades on my live account meant that I am left with less than 200$/pair, on terms of recovery, it might not be a good idea.
  • #515
  • Feb 23, 2018 9:34am Feb 23, 2018 9:34am
By scrambling the pairs instead of keeping all eggs in one basket...we are effectively hedging loss on trade pair(s), with profit.

Some that consistently churn this week, will be the dogs next week...and vice versa...the dogs may turn into the profit churn.

Trend...press...global events..all this shit taken into consideration, keeping a few irons in the fire is seemingly the way to go.

Haven't added any of the CHF pairs to my accounts, so will look to others for stats.

I've never had much luck in sorting out the personality of these pairs, more so just the standards.

Maybe 2 accounts instead of 1 next week...keeping all same pairs in trade, but, having the spread out to 2 accounts to try and ensure we never hit that 200 cap.
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  • #516
  • Feb 23, 2018 9:46am Feb 23, 2018 9:46am
Quoting Reamasesa
{quote} I don't think that would be wise as it eats away both equity and more important, balance. You might find yourself chopping off more than needed because you think so and the EA might go into a tumble of sorts. Killing those five trades on my live account meant that I am left with less than 200$/pair, on terms of recovery, it might not be a good idea.
Fair point...

It'd prolly take me as long to work through 19 pairs from this week figuring out where they would be now if I would have closed them down each day at some random time, than actually would to test the theory on another account...

Shitty thing is...

If I want 19 pairs spread over 2 accounts...still want to keep my Evolution Running...and have a 19 pair account that I closed trades off every day, with a couple of other private projects...I'm definitely going to need a new server.

Thanks to the Cocksucker that hit n ran yesterday...I'm facing a little extra financial burden that will put a bit of a time delay on getting me a shiny new server.

Maybe have to extend the group of revolution testers?
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  • #517
  • Feb 23, 2018 10:02am Feb 23, 2018 10:02am
Quoting Magix
{quote} Fair point... It'd prolly take me as long to work through 19 pairs from this week figuring out where they would be now if I would have closed them down each day at some random time, than actually would to test the theory on another account... Shitty thing is... If I want 19 pairs spread over 2 accounts...still want to keep my Evolution Running...and have a 19 pair account that I closed trades off every day, with a couple of other private projects...I'm definitely going to need a new server. Thanks to the Cocksucker that hit n ran yesterday...I'm...
You should, I think, get a group of 20 people testing it, we need statistics.

I would also look into separating the buys and sells terminals, remon used to say it is better with his grid idea and the engine is based on it so go figure, maybe it's worth a try as I can clearly see both buys and sell in my demo and not on my live accounts, maybe if there wasn't an overall sell bias it would have fared better? Is it something your added code deals with?
  • #518
  • Feb 23, 2018 10:15am Feb 23, 2018 10:15am
Quoting Reamasesa
I would also look into separating the buys and sells terminals, remon used to say it is better with his grid idea and the engine is based on it so go figure, maybe it's worth a try as I can clearly see both buys and sell in my demo and not on my live accounts, maybe if there wasn't an overall sell bias it would have fared better? Is it something your added code deals with?
With exception of requiring additional resources, pc and margin-wise - if running live - I don't see that'd there'd be any difference.

His was a blind grid that only took range into consideration...

Evolution and Revolution are more directionally biased with a few cost averaging rules written in.
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  • #519
  • Feb 23, 2018 10:38am Feb 23, 2018 10:38am
Quoting Magix
{quote} Evolution and Revolution are more directionally biased with a few cost averaging rules written in.
I know was just a shot in the dark.

I wish there were some more sells in one of those peaks, though
  • #520
  • Feb 23, 2018 10:56am Feb 23, 2018 10:56am
Quoting Reamasesa
{quote} I know was just a shot in the dark. I wish there were some more sells in one of those peaks, though
I dunno man...

Even as conservative as Revolution is...if it was buying all of the Spikes down, would look a lot worse.

10 trades deep on longs - $90+ in DD...Just EJ alone!

Really, not terrible...but could look a lot worse.
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