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  • #12,541
  • Feb 3, 2018 4:53am Feb 3, 2018 4:53am
Quoting Winston Reed
{quote} I retract any apology I have made to you. GTH Alex C.
Someone forgot to take their meds!
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  • #12,542
  • Feb 3, 2018 7:46am Feb 3, 2018 7:46am
This is what the left think of free speech:
https://youtu.be/AItFoaM-m6o
  • #12,543
  • Feb 3, 2018 7:59am Feb 3, 2018 7:59am
Quoting jen101
{quote} Just wondering, you seem to be knowledgeable on matters scientific, nutrition and healthy living - did you know all that stuff before your heart attacks or is your knowledge more recently gained? Absolutely no correlation whatsoever: USA has the highest meat consumption in the world at 120kg per person a year: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/travel/maps-and-graphics/world-according-to-meat-consumption/ That is 2.3kg a week! Wow, even if nothing else you lot must be seriously bunged up. Some would say full of ****, ah but not I of course......
I’m a nurse practitioner for the last 30years. It is popular to believe that meat, fat and such is the culprit. The fact is that CV disease and diabetes has accelerated not only in the US but pretty in every industrialized nation. This occurred after the public was indoctrinated with the belief that a low fat diet is healthy. This belief is now being slowly exposed.

My first heart attack occurred during a bitter and ugly divorce at age 48. Fortunately I was at work and got myself to the ER immiediateldy where the medication they gave me instantly revascularized my right coronary artery. I suffered no heart muscle damage. Four years later I had my second attack. This time it was the left anterior descending coronary artery. They call this the “widow-maker” because most die with this. My wife rushed me to the ER and I was in the cath lab within 30 minutes of onset of pain. The cardiologist “roto-rootered” the artery and reopened it. He showed me the sludge he pulled out. Unfortunately this time I did suffer damage but despite that my overall heart function is still very good.

I went on a near zero fat diet and lost 30 lbs in less than a month. But I felt terrble. Food was tasteless and boring to me. I was also on a bunch of medications that didn’t help either. I started doing research. Alot of research. That is when I came across Paleo. After reading that I made a decision to follow it. Although it is high in protein and fat you get them from healthy sources. The biggest thing about paleo is avoiding wheat, sugar and other grains. Also your supposed to avoid most dairy but there are some exceptions. There’s alot of crap out there about paleo so I use the original source.

I’ve been paleo for going on 6 years now and feel better than ever.
  • #12,544
  • Feb 3, 2018 8:00am Feb 3, 2018 8:00am
Quoting jen101
{quote} Just wondering, you seem to be knowledgeable on matters scientific, nutrition and healthy living - did you know all that stuff before your heart attacks or is your knowledge more recently gained? Absolutely no correlation whatsoever: USA has the highest meat consumption in the world at 120kg per person a year: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/travel/maps-and-graphics/world-according-to-meat-consumption/ That is 2.3kg a week! Wow, even if nothing else you lot must be seriously bunged up. Some would say full of ****, ah but not I of course......
It is not so much the meat eating as that we still eat an agrarian diet. We eat tremendous amounts of calories as if we still did manual farming. We don't. Even todays farmers are fat because they are still eating Western breakfast as if they are going to be in a field or a manual factory all day. It is okay to eat a side of beef if you are going to burn it. Not so much if you are sitting in a chair pushing a button.

Quoting Winston Reed
{quote} I’m a nurse practitioner for the last 30years. It is popular to believe that meat, fat and such is the culprit. The fact is that CV disease and diabetes has accelerated not only in the US but pretty in every industrialized nation. This occurred after the public was indoctrinated with the belief that a low fat diet is healthy. This belief is now being slowly exposed. My first heart attack occurred during a bitter and ugly divorce at age 48. Fortunately I was at work and got myself to the ER immiediateldy where the medication they gave me...
I eat a paleo diet from time to time as well when my knee starts to bother me. My knee tells me when I am too heavy. After your second heart attack, what was your ejection fraction if may ask?
If you are good at something, never do it for free--Joker
  • #12,545
  • Feb 3, 2018 8:25am Feb 3, 2018 8:25am
Quoting jmn5611
{quote} It is not so much the meat eating as that we still eat an agrarian diet. We eat tremendous amounts of calories as if we still did manual farming. We don't. Even todays farmers are fat because they are still eating Western breakfast as if they are going to be in a field or a manual factory all day. It is okay to eat a side of beef if you are going to burn it. Not so much if you are sitting in a chair pushing a button. {quote} I eat a paleo diet from time to time as well when my knee starts to bother me. My knee tells me when I am too heavy....
Directly after it was in the high 40s but it slowly improved and now runs between 50-60 (low normal). During my echodardiograms you can see the part of my heart that was damaged. Oddly enought I can still exercise like I used to. I ski fairly aggressively at altitudes of 9-10K feet without any symptoms.
  • #12,546
  • Feb 3, 2018 8:36am Feb 3, 2018 8:36am
Quoting Winston Reed
{quote} Directly after it was in the high 40s but it slowly improved and now runs between 50-60 (low normal). During my echodardiograms you can see the part of my heart that was damaged. Oddly enought I can still exercise like I used to. I ski fairly aggressively at altitudes of 9-10K feet without any symptoms.
I think what jen was conveying in her British way is that you cannot afford another MI. I understand also that you understand that a lot of health food memes are driven by experts who are not even practitioners, but those that are find it difficult to turn away the money that selling provides. Case in point, Dr Oz, who is a board certified Cardiologist.

Edit, you were also quite luck that your LV was not apparently damaged in any meaningful way.
If you are good at something, never do it for free--Joker
  • #12,547
  • Feb 3, 2018 8:38am Feb 3, 2018 8:38am
Quoting Winston Reed
{quote} I’m a nurse practitioner for the last 30years. It is popular to believe that meat, fat and such is the culprit. The fact is that CV disease and diabetes has accelerated not only in the US but pretty in every industrialized nation. This occurred after the public was indoctrinated with the belief that a low fat diet is healthy. This belief is now being slowly exposed. My first heart attack occurred during a bitter and ugly divorce at age 48. Fortunately I was at work and got myself to the ER immiediateldy where the medication they gave me...
So you were quite young then. Were you overweight? Did you have a sedentary lifestyle?

The French actually do eat a fair amount of meat, and carbs (no where else can you get their bread!) and fat. They don't do too badly. I love French food and I feel good with it. However, every time I am in the US, the sheer size of your food is enough to give me a panic attack. I then feel extremely sick and that's not because I have eaten that much. I have often wondered why. I do find it very rich with a lot of salt and probably MSG. I have since suspected that not being used to it, I don't have the tolerance to the additives and chemicals you use, many of which are banned elsewhere in the world. So probably, it is not whether it is the meat or fish or veg or carbs or pure fats that is harmful, but the additives and if it is processed.
  • #12,548
  • Feb 3, 2018 8:56am Feb 3, 2018 8:56am
Quoting jmn5611
{quote} I think what jen was conveying in her British way is that you cannot afford another MI. I understand also that you understand that a lot of health food memes are driven by experts who are not even practitioners, but those that are find it difficult to turn away the money that selling provides. Case in point, Dr Oz, who is a board certified Cardiologist.
Very true. That’s why one needs to do their own research and make an attempt to uncover facts rather than hype. There is a lot of science to back up a diet rich in animal protein and fat which includes fish too. Getting carbs from unprocessed sources is encouraged. Veggies of any quantity are allowed but many fruits are discouarged because of thier high sugar content. Blueberries, raspberries and strawberries are low in sugar. Sugar, bread, pastries, and the like are the real culprits of the increasing incidence of diabetes and CV disease. Those that defend their carb diets (and I’m not trying to be insulting) are addicted to the high they get from consuming foods that immediately increase one’s blood sugar. If you eat a slice of bread it will elevate your blood sugar higher than a teaspoon of sugar. You may not gain weight from eating too many carbs because of an abundance of excercise but you will still be intermittently exposed to the blood sugar elevation which when it happens results in micro damage to the blood vessels. A diabetic is the poster for this process. They have increased rates of CV disease and peripheral vascular disease because of their high blood sugars.

I actually believe Dr. Oz is legit even though he is profiting. I watch his show off and on and he does promote a healthy lifestyle. I don’t think making money off of one’s knowledge is inherently evil if what you are selling is legit.
  • #12,549
  • Feb 3, 2018 8:59am Feb 3, 2018 8:59am
Quoting Winston Reed
{quote} Directly after it was in the high 40s but it slowly improved and now runs between 50-60 (low normal). During my echodardiograms you can see the part of my heart that was damaged. Oddly enought I can still exercise like I used to. I ski fairly aggressively at altitudes of 9-10K feet without any symptoms.
Ahh, skiing... I'm off in a few days . There have been some huge dumpings of snow in the Alps in recent weeks. This was me last year.
https://youtu.be/oiN_cE6FQB8
  • #12,550
  • Feb 3, 2018 9:05am Feb 3, 2018 9:05am
Quoting jen101
{quote} So you were quite young then. Were you overweight? Did you have a sedentary lifestyle? The French actually do eat a fair amount of meat, and carbs (no where else can you get their bread!) and fat. They don't do too badly. I love French food and I feel good with it. However, every time I am in the US, the sheer size of your food is enough to give me a panic attack. I then feel extremely sick and that's not because I have eaten that much. I have often wondered why. I do find it very rich with a lot of salt and probably MSG. I have since suspected...
Yes 47 is pretty young to have an MI (myocardial infarction) also known as a heart attack. I’ve never been sedentary. I was an avid tennis player for 20 years regularly competing. And as I have said I ski during the winter. At 5ft 8 inches I weighed 150 lbs. But my diet was very high in sweets and such. I was addicted. I loved Starbucks pastries. My weight ballooned to nearly 180 after my first heart attack as I was in denial during that time. The second one was an eye opener and scared me for sure. I also have a strong history of CV diesease in my family so my genetics are definitely against me. Oddly enough my father didn’t have his first heart attack until he was in his mid 70s. He had a quadruple bypass about 4 years ago. I have 2 stents, one in my RAD and one in my LAD. I had nuclear stress test last year and it revealed exellent blood flow to my myocardium. I also blew away the highest level on the tread mill during the test.
  • #12,551
  • Feb 3, 2018 9:12am Feb 3, 2018 9:12am
Getting ready for a Super Bowl party at my place. Gonna smoke some baby back ribs, brisket, and pulled pork. I stocked up on some stogies and single malt scotch whisky for the gentlemen. Go Eagles!!!
  • #12,552
  • Feb 3, 2018 9:13am Feb 3, 2018 9:13am
Quoting Winston Reed
{quote} Very true. That’s why one needs to do their own research and make an attempt to uncover facts rather than hype. There is a lot of science to back up a diet rich in animal protein and fat which includes fish too. Getting carbs from unprocessed sources is encouraged. Veggies of any quantity are allowed but many fruits are discouarged because of thier high sugar content. Blueberries, raspberries and strawberries are low in sugar. Sugar, bread, pastries, and the like are the real culprits of the increasing incidence of diabetes and CV disease....

The AMA has gone after Oz more than once. He is hawking supplements that have no clinical value. He promotes a healthy lifestyle, but at the same time, he has gone full on quack.

https://www.vox.com/2015/6/13/8773695/AMA-dr-oz

Quoting Winston Reed
{quote} Yes 47 is pretty young to have an MI (myocardial infarction) also known as a heart attack. I’ve never been sedentary. I was an avid tennis player for 20 years regularly competing. And as I have said I ski during the winter. At 5ft 8 inches I weighed 150 lbs. But my diet was very high in sweets and such. I was addicted. I loved Starbucks pastries. My weight ballooned to nearly 180 after my first heart attack as I was in denial during that time. The second one was an eye opener and scared me for sure. I also have a strong history of CV diesease...
Like I said, you are damned lucky, especially with the placement of those stents. Most MIs of that type leave the patient with an EF of 30 or below, for good. I just wanted to talk a little shop with you and see your experience as a two time heart survivor. It is encouraging for those of us who are headed for that scenario.
If you are good at something, never do it for free--Joker
  • #12,553
  • Feb 3, 2018 9:41am Feb 3, 2018 9:41am
Dr Oz is sharing information that big pharma doesn’t want people to know.
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  • #12,554
  • Feb 3, 2018 11:27am Feb 3, 2018 11:27am
Quoting jen101
This is what the left think of free speech: https://youtu.be/AItFoaM-m6o
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  • #12,555
  • Feb 3, 2018 2:01pm Feb 3, 2018 2:01pm
Quoting Winston Reed
{quote} Yes 47 is pretty young to have an MI (myocardial infarction) also known as a heart attack. I’ve never been sedentary. I was an avid tennis player for 20 years regularly competing. And as I have said I ski during the winter. At 5ft 8 inches I weighed 150 lbs. But my diet was very high in sweets and such. I was addicted. I loved Starbucks pastries. My weight ballooned to nearly 180 after my first heart attack as I was in denial during that time. The second one was an eye opener and scared me for sure. I also have a strong history of CV diesease...
180 lbs is 81.6kg and you had a BMI of 27.3. That is overweight, but certainly not obese. What was your body fat percentage? Did you have high visceral fat? I don't really get it, I think if you were addicted to high sugar / carbs then you would have got fatter first before having a heart attack. There are a lot of people in a far worse state than that walking about.
  • #12,556
  • Feb 3, 2018 4:11pm Feb 3, 2018 4:11pm
Quoting jen101
{quote} 180 lbs is 81.6kg and you had a BMI of 27.3. That is overweight, but certainly not obese. What was your body fat percentage? Did you have high visceral fat? I don't really get it, I think if you were addicted to high sugar / carbs then you would have got fatter first before having a heart attack. There are a lot of people in a far worse state than that walking about.
My second occurred with a weight of nearly 180 lbs. My first I weighed around 150-155lbs. Before my first I was very active in tennis and other activities so that kept my weight down. The ensuing 4 years before the second I stopped playing tennis and although not sedenetary I was much less active. My diet went to hell and the rest is history. I’m lucky I didn’t suffer more damage and I give thanks to being close to the hospital where the personned there were super quick about getting me into the cath lab and reopening my LAD. You can’t imagine the pain and at the same time thinking your about to bite the dust. But when the cardiologist opened up that artery the pain immediately disappeared.

I don’t really want to get too much into Dr. Oz but those in the AMA that went after him did so as a witch hunt. Dr. Oz successfully and rightfully defended himself and proved them wrong. I’ve watched many of his shows and have not found anything that amounts to quackery.

Anyway back to Super Bowl prep.
  • #12,557
  • Feb 3, 2018 6:31pm Feb 3, 2018 6:31pm
It depends on the wheat you're consuming. I use Einkorn wheat. Which is one of the ancient wheat's. Only 2 chromosomes instead of 8. Also still has the germ with it. My bread would fall pretty low on the glycemic scale which I feel is one of the keys. Same with the brown rice, germ intact. Night and day difference with wonder bread. Foods low on the glycemic scale are better then those high on the scale. There was a large study done in Europe about it a couple years back. The Nordic diet is based on what was found in the study, even though the Scandinavian's ate this way for centuries without the study. Portion size is very important.

I also make my own fresh juice once a day. Veggies, fruits and herbs. Turmeric, ginger, parsley and garlic mostly. Veggies and fruit for energy. Herbs for the inflammation battle and gut health. Mostly privately grown chickens, pork and beef. We do have incisors for a reason.

One of our favorites for breakfast or lunch is Icelandic yogurt, fresh berries and granola. Lots of fat in the yogurt and I figure God has the sugar / fiber ratio figured out with the fruits.

Simple rules, real food with no more than three ingredients, preferably one. If it comes thru the window of the car it isn't considered food. If you can't say the word off the label it isn't food. Total elimination of high fructose corn syrup and no eating after dinner, your body will fix itself if given the time (at least 10 hours without food) and nutrients to do the job. Going to bed slightly hungry allows your body to clean things up during the night when it's done digesting the food. Digestion takes about 70% of our energy. If there is no food to digest our bodies will turn to other important duties. Our bodies are designed to self heal. Disease is misspelled, it should be dis-ease.

Another key is good spinal health. Our organs need to have good communication with central command (brain). The only way to have that happen is an intact nervous system, even energy flow thru the spine to and from each organ.

60 and drug free (prescription or recreational) relaxed and content.
  • #12,558
  • Feb 3, 2018 7:34pm Feb 3, 2018 7:34pm
Another thought is that I work really hard at chemical elimination in my life. No shampoo, no cream rinse, no pit juice, filtered water and I'm fussy about my tooth paste. I use goat milk soap for my hair and body. Kalinite for my armpits and use a toothpaste without fluoride.

I battled mercury poisoning 30 years ago. That's when I came across EDS (electro dermal screening), which uses acupuncture points and a computer to scan the organs of the body. I use homeopathic tinctures quite often and my body does the rest. Once your body finds a comfortable balance point there is no need for the extreme medicines that are so common today. Just minor adjustments for me anymore, not so 30 years ago. Back then I was a complete mess and headed downhill fast. Back pain 24-7, mean as a junk yard dog and no answers. Personal natural healing had to be learned, diet changes accepted in the entire household and slowly I climbed out of that hole. All I can say is that I am different person physically, mentally and spiritually because of my journey out of that deep and dark valley. With every chemical I eliminated, my pain levels dropped or disappeared.
If I go to a doctor today they don't have a clue how I could be drug free at 60, I don't waste my time or theirs trying to explain my conclusions. The bottom line is God doesn't make junk. Hippocrates said it best. Your food should be nourishing and curative. Simple really.
  • #12,559
  • Edited 4:28am Feb 4, 2018 3:15am | Edited 4:28am
Quoting Sossos
It depends on the wheat you're consuming. I use Einkorn wheat. Which is one of the ancient wheat's. Only 2 chromosomes instead of 8. Also still has the germ with it. My bread would fall pretty low on the glycemic scale which I feel is one of the keys. Same with the brown rice, germ intact. Night and day difference with wonder bread. Foods low on the glycemic scale are better then those high on the scale. There was a large study done in Europe about it a couple years back. The Nordic diet is based on what was found in the study, even though the Scandinavian's...
So it is an achievement to be drug free at 60? Doesn't that say it all, that that is the exception rather than the norm? I notice that in this conversation you are all Yanks of a certain age, other than me of course. There is something very wrong with your food. It makes me feel ill. Then with all those drugs to sort out the mess, most of you shouldn't be driving!

I don't suppose you would hear 60 year old French and Italians having such a conversation. They eat shed loads of carbs. The French smoke like chimneys, drink copious amounts of wine, eat refined carbs, eat fatty foods, do little exercise yet their rates of heart disease, diabetes and obesity are low by western standards. What is the French paradox? Is it as simple as just eating less?

I suspect that it could be that they don't use trans and hydrogenated fats. They use proper fats like olive oil and butter. Sure they don't obssess about eating bread. They have to have bread with every meal and when in France we do the same, because you can't get baguettes like that here! Yes, baguettes have a high GI but on balance in the context of a meal with plenty of vegetables, the overall GI is still pretty low.
  • #12,560
  • Feb 4, 2018 7:04am Feb 4, 2018 7:04am
Mostly it's avoiding genetically engineered food as much as possible.

America is a gigantic chemical experiment. I went to a doctor a couple of months ago and the first thing that he wanted to do is get me on some form of blood pressure medicine. My blood pressure is 110 over 70, and all the other numbers were fine too. When the nurse asked me what firm I used as my pharmacy, I told her I didn't have one. She didn't know what to say or do. It was revealing to say the least. My great grandfather lived to be 101, no drugs. Father was 84, mother 83 all drug free. Don't know how they got along without some drug. Oh and they had their sense about them to the end. I don't know if I'm in the minority, but I have a feeling I am a small minority, just can't prove it.
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