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  • #3,901
  • Jan 15, 2018 11:31am Jan 15, 2018 11:31am
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  • #3,902
  • Jan 15, 2018 11:42am Jan 15, 2018 11:42am
Quoting redoktober
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Great job getting the cult guru suspended. I think husky77s last post put the final nail on the coffin. I hope people finally get awake and stop sending personal data to some private person. Its just illegal for a private person to collect your personal documents even if he is making you believe to sell a dream.
Your salary is the bribe they give you to forget your dreams
  • #3,903
  • Jan 15, 2018 12:10pm Jan 15, 2018 12:10pm
Quoting horvat
{quote} Great job getting the cult guru suspended. I think husky77s last post put the final nail on the coffin. I hope people finally get awake and stop sending personal data to some private person. Its just illegal for a private person to collect your personal documents even if he is making you believe to sell a dream.
i'm not a double standard guy so i didnt suspended him,i have no reason for that from my own point of view,nor do i claim his biz is a scam,it is not a clear scam but from my own point of view is just a marketing trick and this niche is not unknown to me.there are many like this in all areas not only in forex.
i am free to share my thoughts he is free to combat that and also he is free to ban me from his thread.this are simple rules with no harm to anyone.i'm trying to keep one nice language as much as i can so i will never offend anyone with insults and bad words even if i dont agree with their way of doing things.
he claim collect private data from users because of the ideea someone can steal his... ''thing''.i can agree with this but only from the point where you show me VAT and TAX number before you ask me this data for such kind of contracts.
ok so collecting data from one guy who might steal from your ''company'' (no ideea what) will help you to do what against that person? and i ask (myself this time) are you legally registered to collect private data and use that data to fight against any other person who send his data in your storage.
I have nothing against such business with class and all the stuff with ''i teach you to trade give me your money'' .is just the world we are living where the smart ones will always make money from the one less smart to see clear things.
I never belived anyone can teach you to trade forex,there's no such thing.novice traders of course will find this way good not knowing that learn to trade is doing things by your own way and start with your own study and keep practice.all those so called guru's of trading with their class and webinars are just a simple marketing results at the times we are living=a way for them to get rich by not trading but by ''teaching'' others.
this being said i am done with this subject and with this guy.who join him let them join,who send him their private data let them send.some may deserve at some point to get burned before to learn the lesson.
chers!
Take what you can, give nothing back
  • #3,904
  • Edited 1:21pm Jan 15, 2018 12:44pm | Edited 1:21pm
Quoting fdx
{quote} IF, Lets stay small, lets do big.. People who didn't even peek RTM when it was free, have no idea how valuable it was.
you are joking or?

why do you think this rtm scam is using fake statement for their wins and fake statements for their clients? can you tell me why sucessfull people fake so much?

you really need to judge more carefull. when someone fakes, its a faker and he had alwass a reason behind this. such fraud scammer alsways prsent the best possible results, when they would have this with real results they would not fake this shit at maximum stupiest way.

all what i say is not saying, that even this fakers can have wins from time to time, but on long term its near impossible they have, because noone fakes when they have it real (and faking this extrem cheap and visible is showing they are not very smart and unexperienced traders same time, so it dont believe you learn more then stadard bullshit). when you see bullshit, its bullshit. often the world is this easy. i dont know why many people cant see it, 100% of the time its because they dont know they basics of trading and how to judge so statements and systems, but in this case, it should be really easy to see and not so difficult, but many dont dare to speak the truth and want to be polite all the time, even against so easy to see fakes and scam. but being polite against scammer and big fakers or dont care they scam/fake will not work to help anyone, you need to bring arguments and call them what they are, same like in real world. thats the problem in real world too, why often many things dont change.
  • #3,905
  • Jan 15, 2018 1:03pm Jan 15, 2018 1:03pm
I am not joking. I was in RTM when it was free, I have taken the lite course of RTM Academy. I don't regret!
Still I am a part of RTM (IF doesn't know who I am).

Forget about RTM course, You have a very old account (year:2014). If's thread about RTM started around the same time. Did you ever take a look at the content of free RTM? Did you ever bother to learn what was there?
  • #3,906
  • Jan 15, 2018 1:12pm Jan 15, 2018 1:12pm
Quoting fdx
I am not joking. I was in RTM when it was free, I have taken the lite course of RTM Academy. I don't regret! Still I am a part of RTM (IF doesn't know who I am). Forget about RTM course, You have a very old account (year:2014). If's thread about RTM started around the same time. Did you ever take a look at the content of free RTM? Did you ever bother to learn what was there?
i dont think i can learn anything there, so i did not (they will have a lot of standard tools and textes you find in many places in internet, or), after i did see there extrem faking statements, further looking was not neccessary to judge this company. such big cheap faking is really only very unexperienced traders doing, and i do this as business and see many of this each year.

but to say clear: i dont think you are not right, but i dont think they are honest or the teachers are good traders for their own with this many fakes. but maybe you are very correct, and the free part is worth the time (because you get same information like reading in forums or in other places?), and the 10.000 usd coaches (or all other payed coaches and webinars there) are only worthless and they need to fake. so sorry for the "joking" part.
  • #3,907
  • Jan 15, 2018 2:52pm Jan 15, 2018 2:52pm
QUOTED FROM IFMYANTE:
"Oh Winston, you're less than nothing.
So insignificant that you feel that the only way you can make a mark in this World is to try to besmirch the name of the one good person you've ever met, who tried to help you at no cost, but who called you out on your rubbish thread in RTM, hurting your fragile little ego.
Were we to meet in person, I'd be glad to put you out of your misery."

So now you've resorted to making death threats. Being the coward you are you make such a threat knowing you cannot and never intend to make good on it. Just like you or your RTM grads are unable to make good on your claims of being able to trade by showing verifiable proof. In Texas we have a word for not backing up your words. P_ _ _ Y!!!

I live in El Paso, TX so if you ever in the area look me up. I'll be waiting.
  • #3,908
  • Jan 15, 2018 2:57pm Jan 15, 2018 2:57pm
Dukas RTM is nothing like any other method and suggesting the material is the same shows how wrong you are yet again.... Oh just heard back from Twee. IF has had suspension removed. It would turn out there is nothing to support any allegation of 'scamming' But hey, you never want the truth get in the way of a good ol fashioned witch hunt.... Case closed.

And to save everyone time reading Dukas's (future) response to my post, It will read something like this. incoherent dribble with the word fake thrown in a few times for good measure. Perhaps he may call fdx a scammer or fake as well. Who knows. If Dukas's brains were dynamite, he wouldn't blow his ears off.
Bye Bye FF
  • #3,909
  • Jan 15, 2018 3:06pm Jan 15, 2018 3:06pm
Quoting Chica
Dukas RTM is nothing like any other method and suggesting the material is the same shows how wrong you are yet again.... Oh just heard back from Twee. IF has had suspension removed. It would turn out there is nothing to support any allegation of 'scamming' But hey, you never want the truth get in the way of a good ol fashioned witch hunt.... Case closed. And to save everyone time reading Dukas's (future) response to my post, It will read something like this. incoherent dribble with the word fake thrown in a few times for good measure. Perhaps he...
are you crazy?

you fake in your threads the account statements, you fake you clients accounts statements, and all this is easy to see.

you have no long term results, not even short term (without faking history).....

and you call yourself not scammer/liar/faker/cheater?

come on, learn at least that you are not more worth then what you do, maybe you are not duty for this shit, but i say RTm academy is big fraud business with cheaters and fakers, and thats 100% true because they simple fake the account statements. so easy!
and when i say the person who work there are not smart and very unexperienced traders , this is also true. noone would fake it so stupid, at least when the would have experience in trading you would know, how stupid the fake looks like.

it doesnt matter that you are not a smart person and not very sucessfull experienced trader (as long as you tell the people this facts and dont try to hide it), cheat your free members, do what you want, but bringing fake statements and then try to have 10.000 usd seminars for your bullshit, what easy people can read in threads here in forexfactory? really? did you simple learned a strategy here in forexfactory and now try to sell this or why do you think its worth 10.000 usd, because fake statements are looking so good?
at least, please learn who you are! call yourself scammer, because you are, and dont try hiding you behind not bringing arguments and blocking people in your thread! thats at the moment all you did!

your only argument is; you are not deleted by forexfactory, so you are ok? is this really your only argument you have, why you tell the world, you are no scammer? ohoh.... really, search new members in your fraud business, this will not work.

funny fact, i did not even know ifmyante was suspended, for what he was exactly?
  • #3,910
  • Jan 15, 2018 3:14pm Jan 15, 2018 3:14pm
Nope the years of help IF and RTM has provided speaks for itself. You are an absolute joke.
Bye Bye FF
  • #3,911
  • Jan 15, 2018 3:18pm Jan 15, 2018 3:18pm
Quoting Chica
Dukas RTM is nothing like any other method and suggesting the material is the same shows how wrong you are yet again.... Oh just heard back from Twee. IF has had suspension removed. It would turn out there is nothing to support any allegation of 'scamming' But hey, you never want the truth get in the way of a good ol fashioned witch hunt.... Case closed. And to save everyone time reading Dukas's (future) response to my post, It will read something like this. incoherent dribble with the word fake thrown in a few times for good measure. Perhaps he...
I'm honestly relieved to hear this as someone that sells products on this forum. IF and me DO NOT get along, at all... But I've been watching this carefully because I feel like this entire thread is out of control. I don't like IF, at all, but that doesn't mean I want him gone and out of money because a few people dislike him (and his unique personality). If someone does end up producing REAL evidence he is a scammer, I would feel the suspension is fair, but all I read are insults back and forth with no substance (on both sides, yes). He has treated me badly, and I don't subscribe to his views on the market in the slightest, but I haven't seen proper proof he is scamming anyone. If and when someone can produce inarguable evidence I will retract my statement, but this entire thing has seemed like bruised egos colliding without end.
  • #3,912
  • Jan 15, 2018 3:19pm Jan 15, 2018 3:19pm
Quoting Chica
Nope the years of help IF and RTM has provided speaks for itself. You are an absolute joke.
i dont say you and your ante man dont help anyone! dont get me wrong, maybe you are nice man (or woman) and help old granny over the streets. all this is nothing personal.

but same time: you both cheat and like to cheat and fake and like bring fake wins and statements to earn money and let RTM academy bring in good light, but same time looks like this RTM academy is nothing more then without any good trades history or plan to trade.
so dont exchange the facts. in private maybe you are ok, but we speak here about the facts what you write and show, and RTm acadamy fake is from you both, so stand to your fakes and dont hide behind other facts, like you helped some people. if i would mention always, that i helped many people as my arguments, this arguments would not be any strong, because has nothing to do with this new facts.

you can help and cheat/fake same time. stop this cheating/faking and still help the people, this would be a nice way!
  • #3,913
  • Edited 3:54pm Jan 15, 2018 3:23pm | Edited 3:54pm
Quoting oHannah
{quote} I'm honestly relieved to hear this as someone that sells products on this forum. IF and me DO NOT get along, at all... But I've been watching this carefully because I feel like this entire thread is out of control. I don't like IF, at all, but that doesn't mean I want him gone and out of money because a few people dislike him (and his unique personality). If someone does end up producing REAL evidence he is a scammer, I would feel the suspension is fair, but all I read are insults back and forth with no substance (on both sides, yes). He...
take a look in his rtm thread and to the faked clients statements (even any statement there is faked in some kind, not any real shown result, long term you even dont see zero), when you have any problem to see why its faked, you can ask me.

if you think here it going about any ego problem and this would be correct, then you would be right.
but at least for me i try to be objective all the time, if i dont be bring any argument when i am not, and i am try to say why i did say it in this kind, or if i did a mistake.
i try to bring many many arguments all the time, other parts near 100% have nothing to respond or do defend their positions and start attacking as their last help, thats normal, nothing unnormal for specal kind of people trapped inside his own fake. this you will see very very often here, its the language this people will use all the time, when they dont have any arguments, this was not different from beginning and i dont think it will change in the future, very smart cheater/fakers will not happen so often.

or think about this: lets say you would sell expert advisors. you would not be this stupid and sell this expert advisors without showing backtest and live trading accounts with this expert advisors, or you will look like a big scammer who simple want cheat buyers. so you put in real backtests and reasl account with this experts in. same you do with coaches... if you have this results, if you dont have dont coaches because you are bad trader or in the RTM case, they are bad traders but try to fake all results so they can show they can trade without having real results. or what do you think how should coaches and experts sold? only way is this, rest is pure scamming?
  • #3,914
  • Jan 15, 2018 3:35pm Jan 15, 2018 3:35pm
Quoting WolGod
Dukas trader no answers for real questions and wisdom. I blew his mind with education and he couldnt handle it. AUTO TRADER YOU ARE AN AUTO TRADER!!! LOL DO YOU UNDERSTAND HOW RETARDED THAT IS??? Obviously not. Doesnt understand iceberging, thinks highs and lows are everything along with macd and fibs. What a joke. Auto trading??? BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA DOUCHEBAG. Billionaire who trades 10 lots using bug numbers DUKAS TRADER IS THE REAL SCAMMER. He privately messages people for money never public stating he does this and worst of all has multiple accounts....
sorry, but i am not in fun to play with you. so in short again to correct your mistakes, and question like normal, are you not feel stupid again and again writing wrong facts?

- i am no autotrader, but i trade automatic some things, so at best for some trading parts and some strategies until some volume you could call me semi autotrader :-)
- you was the man who was telling he is using iceberg order with his 1000 usd account :-)
- i am not a billionaire, again after many many teaching, you still not know what turnover is :-)
- yes i am a scammer, what a joke, and 100% because i never sell anything, show you a account, or do anything to any private person: maybe you dont know the word scammer , same like turnover or lot? and by the way, was it you who was trying to sell his bullshit loss trading system for big money to people and try to teach them this bullshit, you told you learned from the most important fund managers in the world ?
- you did not know that 1 lot =100.000 trading amount and still try to fake the rest here, sorry, i think anyone know you dont know anything basics after showing this stupid postings from you
- you dont know anything what you would know, when you would trade accounthigher 100k or with many millions turnover each month

so enough arguments for you troll , i really hope some other will say something to you clown, its really boring to have you here all 2-4 months, after you crashed again your private account and are agressiv and need to attack someone who dont fall inside your fake wins.
  • #3,915
  • Jan 15, 2018 3:45pm Jan 15, 2018 3:45pm
Quoting oHannah
{quote} I'm honestly relieved to hear this as someone that sells products on this forum. IF and me DO NOT get along, at all... But I've been watching this carefully because I feel like this entire thread is out of control. I don't like IF, at all, but that doesn't mean I want him gone and out of money because a few people dislike him (and his unique personality). If someone does end up producing REAL evidence he is a scammer, I would feel the suspension is fair, but all I read are insults back and forth with no substance (on both sides, yes). He...
Let's turn this around a little, so any worried seller will for a moment think what a buyer/customer might feel or look for...
Because it is really very simple.

The #1 thing any buyer/customer want to see is proof.
Proof that a guru able and actively trade his live account with profit, and sufficiently long history. Proof that a trade call was executed on guru's live account, in the same fashion as it was called for.
Nothing different from product sellers.
The buyer/customer looking for a stable product that does what is claimed it does. A product that the developer use on a sufficiently long live account, successfully.

Both case it is so very simple to show such account, with a couple 1000s equity, live.
FF.com has a TE to do so, also there is myfxbook, fxblue, and investor pass, or live streaming...plenty resources.

So, wonder why not plenty TEs, myfxbooks,.....etc here in the commercial section?
Yet plenty scammers!!
Some may be questioned but genuine, on the other hand most clean sellers are never questioned to be a scam/fake.
Simple cos from the start they use TE, on live account, and a good reputable broker.
If one has those, what to question?
The product. Or multiple accounts. Hidden agenda by fake profile info ( even if semi fake, like location deliberately wrong, unfortunate FF.com don't lock IP location).

I could tell you 2-3 commercial members who never been questioned to be fake or not, but they are using means to monitor their activity, not verbal claims, not screenshot, and not promising.

And finally, indeed if someone looking to buy/pay for a product or service has the right to upfront know what he is paying for.
there is always, always another trade!!
  • #3,916
  • Jan 15, 2018 3:58pm Jan 15, 2018 3:58pm
Quoting profitfarmer
{quote} Let's turn this around a little, so any worried seller will for a moment think what a buyer/customer might feel or look for... Because it is really very simple. The #1 thing any buyer/customer want to see is proof. Proof that a guru able and actively trade his live account with profit, and sufficiently long history. Proof that a trade call was executed on guru's live account, in the same fashion as it was called for. Nothing different from product sellers. The buyer/customer looking for a stable product that does what is claimed it does....
Couldn't agree with you more!.
Legitimate investment or managed trading accounts publish their records for everyone to see.
Yet here in the infamous commercial section anyone asking a commercial member for a real track record (a verified record of more than a year) is ridiculed.
Sadly there are plenty of poor souls willing to give up their hard earned cash to these snakes..
More sad is the fact that FF condones this by refusing to impose limitations on Commercial Members. Any Tom, Dick or Harry can post up a link to a website and start charging fees for systems, EAs etc. It's really sad that FF does this.
  • #3,917
  • Edited 4:30pm Jan 15, 2018 4:13pm | Edited 4:30pm
Quoting Winston Reed
{quote} Couldn't agree with you more!. Legitimate investment or managed trading accounts publish their records for everyone to see. Yet here in the infamous commercial section anyone asking a commercial member for a real track record (a verified record of more than a year) is ridiculed. Sadly there are plenty of poor souls willing to give up their hard earned cash to these snakes.. More sad is the fact that FF condones this by refusing to impose limitations on Commercial Members. Any Tom, Dick or Harry can post up a link to a website and start charging...
thats not forexfactorys problem, near any website is doing this allowing. anyone decides for their own if you invest or not.

i only warn when i see heavy fraud/cheaters/faker, normal smaller fakes i dont mention when not so important or nothing sold or for high fees.
more then warning people we cant do, this cheaters will restart business all the time, because enough idiots out there.

you need a hard skin to survive the attacking later of this cheaters, and you dont have many friends when you do this, because you look like hard talking and dont be polite.of course it only looks like this, but many cant check this. but being polite and nice people are unfortunaltly the unsucessfull people in this business to show sammers/cheaters, because they have no chance against any of them and they kill them with their attacking and kill their character down because they are to nice and they give up.

same like with coaches, if you dont have a coach inside your bank/company who guides you very hard and kill any mistake out of you (and most are not polite by doing it and this way you leartn it 10 times fatser then with nice coaches), you learn only a little part of what is really possible. even when i remember my history and met persons, the really sucessfull all was not be polite persons, it was the person who say what they think and stand to their words. if you are honest to others you can be honest to yourself.
  • #3,918
  • Jan 15, 2018 4:23pm Jan 15, 2018 4:23pm
the biggest hall of shame I ever seen is the Mike Baghdady turtle experiment that he made public on TV in 2010.

He got balls to actually go all the way and appear on nationale TV. Later it was revealed that the money he allocated to contestants (1 million pound each) was actually DEMO money; and all the accounts were demo accounts on MT4. lol
  • #3,919
  • Jan 15, 2018 4:38pm Jan 15, 2018 4:38pm
I think a missing link is this:

If a commercial member sells a trading methodology via website, e-book, book, etc. etc. then the consumer is paying for a tangible product and they are receiving the product no matter the claims made by the seller. Like any product it is up to the consumer to determine the quality of the product. Some products are better than others. If the product sucks then eventually consumers will figure it out and the laws of supply/demand will prevail.

The difference here is GREED on the part of the consumer. The commercials understand this and they exploit it. Yes there are outright scammers who have nothing so they are relatively easy to expose. Then there are those like RTM who have developed an elaborate marketing scheme based on what seem to be truths and yet are not. They recruit a cult following who could care less if they make money or not. They are only loyal to their cult leader which in this case is the infamous IF.

Some here have exposed RTM not necessarily for their lack of trading ability but for the apparent evasion of laws regarding certain registration legalities of said company (RTM). It appears this has been done to avoid detection perhaps to evade tax laws, fees, etc. I don't pretend to understand these laws and I have not the energy to pursue this kind of minutia to fully expose Ifmyante and RTM. Some here have shown an amazing grasp of this minutia and I hope they will pursue a bit further. If not then I can only thank them: Husky, Profitfarmer and others. There are others too and I thank you. Keep up the good fight to expose these snakes.
  • #3,920
  • Jan 15, 2018 4:45pm Jan 15, 2018 4:45pm
Quoting Winston Reed
I think a missing link is this: If a commercial member sells a trading methodology via website, e-book, book, etc. etc. then the consumer is paying for a tangible product and they are receiving the product no matter the claims made by the seller. Like any product it is up to the consumer to determine the quality of the product. Some products are better than others. If the product sucks then eventually consumers will figure it out and the laws of supply/demand will prevail. The difference here is GREED on the part of the consumer. The commercials...
but in all respect, with rtm you see in 1 minute in their thread ,when you see their account statements, its a big scam and fraud and they fake a lot.
and when you see what they write you also see they are not very experienced. at least this academy is extrem easy to see something is extrem wrong. there are many examples of some smarter fakers, who have some more experienced traders inside , who know what will looks immediatly like a 100% sure fake and is not so easy possible.

but maybe this thread i did look around was not there to the time you was falling into this system???

or maybe the beginners cant see this, but normaly you should start with learning the basics step by step and then got to such scam academy or other , so you can evaluate and judge such things realistic. nothing beats learning basics for yourself step by step, you cant fall for such bullshit any more. for 10.000 you get much much much better investments.

there was even someone defending this rtm academy even after he did see his fakes, or he was such a beginner and could not recognize that they fake... the rest (ifmyante and chica) are only members and iniciators of this fake/scam/fraud, so of course they will defend with other fakes.
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