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  • #3,821
  • Jan 13, 2018 5:19pm Jan 13, 2018 5:19pm
Quoting Chica
{quote} Ahh yes. Winston was correct when he said this: {image}
i like that quote you added there,sound like some Confucius woaw shit
anyway smart way with such type of business very smart,make a site stay low profile get offshore avoid the taxes and the laws and the many others.really smart.
Take what you can, give nothing back
  • #3,822
  • Jan 13, 2018 5:23pm Jan 13, 2018 5:23pm
Quoting piphop
When reading the to and fro going on about IF and 'is his RTM Academy a scam or not?', it reminds me very much of Richard Dawkins rebuttal of religion. Richard Dawkins freely admits that he can't prove that God does not exist. In other words you can't prove a negative. Richard states that if religious people want others to believe, then it is incumbent on them to provide evidence that God exists, not for Richard to prove that he doesn't exist. Likewise, if I have interpreted Winston correctly, he is saying that if IF is legit and his Academy is...
I've shown how I can double an account in a month https://www.myfxbook.com/en/members/...fmyante/123222 , and that was years ago when I knew far less than I do now. I've also shown what's far more important: how my students can win too
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Please don't equate Winston with any intellectual, he's just a bitter baby throwing his toy out of the pram.

Now, I've got lots of my lessons out there on the free web, all waiting for someone to discredit them. Whoever can do so wins a very big banana
I know this market peeps, and am ready for any argument about that. I'm just getting sick of personal attacks from retards who wouldn't say boo to me in person
  • #3,823
  • Jan 13, 2018 5:45pm Jan 13, 2018 5:45pm
Quoting Husky77
{quote} we can do that brother,the thingy is that not everyone can ...
When dealing with anyone, individual or business, IMO you should always do due diligence first and the easiest way to do that is if they have a website.
On the website if they are genuine they should have their Entity details:
Name (Firm or Company)
Address
Contact #
Registered Business Name and Registered Business ID #
If they don't then for me it is a RED FLAG.
If it is an individual then you instantly may have a problem - think ahead, if they go broke, if they die what happens to what you have purchased - you are probably stuffed.
If a business - then they should be registered - if registered check the business out ... not that hard ... search Google to start with ...
Then make a decision.
This is no guarantee, you could be like me, been in my own businesses since 1996 before retirement 2009 and still made a fundamental mistake of trusting someone, they appeared very helpful (scammer trait), I believed (trusted) what they told me, he is very convincing (scammer trait) even believed him when he said he would send a refund ... (scammer trait) anyway my problem but I will get satisfaction one way or another ... money back or ... other satisfaction
When you are successful perhaps give a thought to others ... Kiva dot org
  • #3,824
  • Jan 13, 2018 6:28pm Jan 13, 2018 6:28pm
Quoting PayItForward
{quote} When dealing with anyone, individual or business, IMO you should always do due diligence first and the easiest way to do that is if they have a website. On the website if they are genuine they should have their Entity details: Name (Firm or Company) Address Contact # Registered Business Name and Registered Business ID # If they don't then for me it is a RED FLAG. If it is an individual then you instantly may have a problem - think ahead, if they go broke, if they die what happens to what you have purchased - you are probably stuffed. If...
when i said individual i was wrong ,in fact i wanted say legally autorized person.
this is in fact what i wanted to find out from mr IF .
as long as on site the registration process is asking me my ID card and my electricity bill to prove my adress does they ask all those legal documents cos they are a legally registered business to be in accordance with the laws to handle such documents from people?
Take what you can, give nothing back
  • #3,825
  • Jan 13, 2018 7:54pm Jan 13, 2018 7:54pm
Quoting Husky77
{quote} when i said individual i was wrong ,in fact i wanted say legally autorized person. this is in fact what i wanted to find out from mr IF . as long as on site the registration process is asking me my ID card and my electricity bill to prove my adress does they ask all those legal documents cos they are a legally registered business to be in accordance with the laws to handle such documents from people?
IMO I would be looking at in from the opposite perspective.
Is the website/person/business who is asking for "proof of identity" from you a legally registered business or are they a scam site just wanting to obtain "proof of identity" from you so that they can use it illegally for fraud?
1st check out the website/business - if the website is registered to an individual and not a registered business - red flag.
If it is a registered business they should display the business registration # and Financial Services #, Privacy Policy, Terms, Disclaimer etc - if any of these are missing then IMO red flag.
Due diligence first and always first.
Have a list of things to check and if any one of the criteria fails then I would pass on providing any personal "Proof Of Identity" information.
But we are all different
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  • #3,826
  • Jan 13, 2018 8:43pm Jan 13, 2018 8:43pm
We ask for proof of identity to help safeguard ourselves from thieves. My material is already being sold by hacks around the globe, and we want to put an end to that.
Really, a few of the last posts are just nit picking and tedious
  • #3,827
  • Jan 13, 2018 9:20pm Jan 13, 2018 9:20pm
Quoting Ifmyante
{quote} I've shown how I can double an account in a month https://www.myfxbook.com/en/members/...fmyante/123222 , and that was years ago when I knew far less than I do now. I've also shown what's far more important: how my students can win too {image} {image} {image} {image} {image} Please don't equate Winston with any intellectual, he's just a bitter baby throwing his toy out of the pram. Now, I've got lots of my lessons out there on the free web, all waiting for someone to discredit them. Whoever can do so wins a very...
correction:
you have shown that a demo account with few trades can be doubled. for that, a blind monkey can succeed, if enough demo started and enough darts thrown.
that was 2011.
what happened since?
please dont tell that the best most recent you can prove yourself to be the real deal is a nearly 7 years old short demo history?
then wonder why ppl question you?
really?
it is you whom making out yourself to be a joke, and no one else to blame for.
sadly, most of the commercial members cut out from the same material. i am just getting sick of commercial retards like you whom i wouldnt care to say boo in person.
there is always, always another trade!!
  • #3,828
  • Jan 13, 2018 10:59pm Jan 13, 2018 10:59pm
Quoting Ifmyante
{quote} Winston, I ask you again: what's wrong with what I teach? Enough with the personal attacks, you horrible worm. Discredit my work if you can. Or at the very least get me banned from Forex Factory. Let's make a deal: If you can do that, you win, and I'll close down RTM and the Academy. If you can't, you'll promise to stop obsessing over me. It's embarrassing. I'll never be attracted to you the way you are to me, so just stop stalking me, you perv. By the way, I'll not report you for all the FF accounts you've opened just to attack me, but...
Report me IF. You are a bit paranoid. You are also a bit grandiose to think I am attracted to you. I'm a healthy and proud American man with a beautiful wife, 2 wonderful daughters and a fabulous grandson. I've worked very hard to get to where I'm at now and I hate to see other's get taken advantage of.

As a man I will also admit the following: I do not necessarily dispute your teachings, methods or strategies and I do not want to discredit your work nor do I want you to be banned. I just want you to prove yourself. You say you have but you haven't. You've proved yourself only in your own minds and the mind-numbed robots who blindly follow you. I will be the first to admit that I did learn from RTM and Redsword. So pat yourself on the back.

This is my beef and I believe those that have started this thread: Commercial members are notorious for selling trading material that they themselves do not trade. They are also notorious for showing hindsight trades or demo trades. Most infamous of the commercial members is that they sell material that they do not trade themselves or cannot show themselves to be profitable trading their own material or that any of their students or graduates can show they are profitable trading the material.

You yourself do not trade what you teach and you publicly have admitted this on several occasions. I believe a minimum requirement to be credible is that you should trade, show your trades and have them verified. Next you can't prove a reasonably long term record of profit nor can any of your students or graduates. It is not too much of a stretch for many to think you are merely living off the fees of RTM and RTM academy based on the above.

So I'll go away when you and at least 2 or 3 of your graduates can do the following:

1. As the owner, teacher and self-claimed Elite Trader for RTM you yourself must trade for real on a real live account and demonstrate a record of profit for a minimum of 2 to 3 years. (RTM has been around longer than that so why can't you do so right now?)
2. When you advertise RTM academy show recent verifiable results of your own trading in the advertisements. A respectable substitute would be a fund that you or a group of your graduates trade and that has a track record of 2 to 3 years. (It seems this should be a minimum requirement and haven't you claimed to have a fund?) Surely Chica is trading the fund!!!
  • #3,829
  • Jan 14, 2018 12:30am Jan 14, 2018 12:30am
Quoting Ifmyante
We ask for proof of identity to help safeguard ourselves from thieves. My material is already being sold by hacks around the globe, and we want to put an end to that. Really, a few of the last posts are just nit picking and tedious
Lets us examine the facts that relate to your credibility - that is your Website and your Business. You say that you are genuine.
You have done nothing to me personally so I do not know whether you are genuine or not.
I have some questions and proper answers will create or destroy any credibility immediately regardless of whether you can trade FX or not.
If you are not honest here with these answers or try to deflect then that answers everything about you and your business - INDISPUTABLE FACT!

So who is Read The Market Ltd - provide a copy of your business registration document or at least your business number with a link to the public record.
Please dont say it is confidential, there are tens of thousands of business who openly provide that public information on the internet.
What is your Financial Services number and a copy of that document?
Ahhh located in the Seychelles I see on your NDA, now is that where your physical business address or where the firm that setup your foreign account etc resides because that happens to be the physical address of an international firm that specialises in that arrangement.
Now let us examine your NDA - Non Disclosure Agreement.
You have one so congratulations ... however there are many discrepencies, one example below.
1) It is purported to be a legal agreement between two parties, Read The Market and the "Recipient"
Who is signing on behalf of Read The Market? oops no-one, not even a place for a signature - then without two parties signing there is no legal agreement ... no wonder to quote your words
"My material is already being sold by hacks around the globe"
So why are you bothering with an NDA - if it is already public knowledge then it is already out there so an NDA now wont stop what has happened in the past.
And "We ask for proof of identity to help safeguard ourselves from thieves" if someone is going to "steal" your information then providing "Proof Of Identity" is not going to stop a thief.
And you are asking for Proof Of Identity so what say you provide Proof Of Identity so any buyer knows who you are, your address and details - if not you personally then the details of your purported business Read The Market Ltd.
FYI when registering a domain name it is in breach of the regulations to use a false name and your are at risk of losing your domain license.
The domain is registered by Michael Guilfoyle (a person) and yet the NDA is in the name of Read The Market Ltd (a business) - two different entities - so who actually owns the information on the website.
Credible answers to these simple questions will surely instil confidence for potential buyers.
And by the way a suggestion ... your comment "a few of the last posts are just nit picking and tedious" is often a phrase used by scammers to "deflect" simply because they have no answer just like implying someone is attracted to you - a weak attempt at deflection - it doesn't work ... and I do look forward to your fulfilling your Corporate Responsibility with true and correct responses to the genuine and very simple questions above.
When you are successful perhaps give a thought to others ... Kiva dot org
  • #3,830
  • Jan 14, 2018 5:30am Jan 14, 2018 5:30am
Quoting Ifmyante
{quote} I've shown how I can double an account in a month https://www.myfxbook.com/en/members/...fmyante/123222 , and that was years ago when I knew far less than I do now. I've also shown what's far more important: how my students can win too {image} {image} {image} {image} {image} Please don't equate Winston with any intellectual, he's just a bitter baby throwing his toy out of the pram. Now, I've got lots of my lessons out there on the free web, all waiting for someone to discredit them. Whoever can do so wins a very...
this ifmyante man is same loser cheater style type like jecklom, 1:1 same style and loser. (jecklom by the way has presented new cheated account in myfxbook, he has again opened many accounts and present now after the month the best survived accounts, what a loser, this 2 together are really a good loser cheater team).

he shows he has doubled a demo account by simple luck or open many many accounts, and later show the account what was in win. and because he did show 2011 in one month, and lost in near all the time his private money in trading he is good? wow? he needs selling for 10.000 his garbage, because trading he loses again and again and needs to compesnate the loss with money from others. a trader good trader will not do what he is doing, but he cant see it, he was never good, will never be good, but cheating he is living for and wants. whatever he says, near any word is such a big fake, no wonder he cant bring any argument to show he is not a liar and scammer and faker.

sometimes i cant really understand the people, its so 100% sure and fine to see this ifmyamte loser is 100% fake/cheat/liar and fraud and want steal people money for bullshit.
all results he presents are fake, and if someone cant see it, sorry then he really deserve to lose 10000 usd for this kind of scammer.

and this loser even wants prove, after you can show him very easy that all hid shows as results are fakes, backtest fakes, demo account hiostory trades presented later when was by luck or many demos open.... he has no longer survived account and bigger money, and hwy: because he is a bloser in trading and needs to bae a liar about all to fake he can sell the last shit to idiots. thats the truth.

10.000 for this bullshit academy, whats worth 20 usd, if he would be fair.
  • #3,831
  • Jan 14, 2018 5:44am Jan 14, 2018 5:44am
and very funny, in the thread of the offical called loser trader and faker "ifmyante" is now a second loser shown: "chica". he fast disabled that i can write in there to prove all the fakes/cheats, looks like this 2 loser are from RTM , the big fraud company that cheats people for money with bullshit trading, at least both need to fake any of their trading result, need to use backtested trading results, hide still open trades and only present closed trades, fake presented accounts, what a loser group.

looks realy RTM can be one of the more famous losers groups now here is forexfaxtory , but at leat noone knows this fraud because they are to badŽand easy to see as fake. i have never seen this shit before, thanks winston for shown this standard fakers at low level.

looks like the "if" team is called because as shortcut for "if i could trading "
its such a fun that the biggest cheater always use such easy to see cheating methods.
  • #3,832
  • Jan 14, 2018 6:30am Jan 14, 2018 6:30am
Okay.
Whether I can trade or not is of no consequence, I can, by the way, but it doesn't matter. I prove, over and over, that I can create exceptional traders.
Were I to be offering my services as a trader, of course I'd be publishing my results every month. But I'm not, so I only publish any results my students upload.
The results of mine which you've seen on myfxbook were not cherry picked. Googling me will show you that's the only competition I ever entered. Had I entered with other names, it would be a massive fluke that the best of the lot would happen to be under my name.
We have contracts with every student, and they know exactly who I am.
I'm not deflecting Mr Reed. I'm just sick of his obsession with me. Forex Factory allows low lifes like him to repeatedly libel the only great trading mentor on this site, and frankly I've had enough.
People like him make this the most toxic trading website there is. I've done more than anybody on this site to help people learn market reading, and shouldn't be victimised so.

I'll report these trolls to Twee now. If they don't get banned, I'll just leave Forex Factory
  • #3,833
  • Jan 14, 2018 6:48am Jan 14, 2018 6:48am
Quoting Ifmyante
Okay. Whether I can trade or not is of no consequence, I can, by the way, but it doesn't matter. I prove, over and over, that I can create exceptional traders. Were I to be offering my services as a trader, of course I'd be publishing my results every month. But I'm not, so I only publish any results my students upload. The results of mine which you've seen on myfxbook were not cherry picked. Googling me will show you that's the only competition I ever entered. Had I entered with other names, it would be a massive fluke that the best of the lot...
so you ask private legal documents copy like ID and bills from people in registration process ,
but you cant provide a copy of your legally registered business a simple registration number from autorities and you call people here trolls? c'mon dude.
Take what you can, give nothing back
  • #3,834
  • Jan 14, 2018 7:04am Jan 14, 2018 7:04am
I see this forum as a place where dreams sellers find dreamers. Its like a dating web but only for men. Its curious the little girls here have more reputation that members created a big part of FF content
Try don't lose pants never...
  • #3,835
  • Jan 14, 2018 8:00am Jan 14, 2018 8:00am
Quoting Ifmyante
Okay. Whether I can trade or not is of no consequence, I can, by the way, but it doesn't matter. I prove, over and over, that I can create exceptional traders. Were I to be offering my services as a trader, of course I'd be publishing my results every month. But I'm not, so I only publish any results my students upload. The results of mine which you've seen on myfxbook were not cherry picked. Googling me will show you that's the only competition I ever entered. Had I entered with other names, it would be a massive fluke that the best of the lot...
i'm not concerned here about the quality of your services in training or forex class.some may like some may not like your product/services,thats not a problem.

if your company is not legal registered you dont have the right legally talking to ask and to handle private identification legal documents from people.
as long you ask me my ID or my passport and my bill not older than 3 months to prove my identity you also must prove your legal right from autorities given to request and handle this documents that i must send you as a member in registration process.
If you cant prove you have the legal right from autorities to request such documents and handle them ... then you have a problem my friend.a problem with the law and autorities,because you request and you store people identification documents and you do this illegal.
Take what you can, give nothing back
  • #3,836
  • Jan 14, 2018 8:37am Jan 14, 2018 8:37am
Quoting Ifmyante
Okay. Whether I can trade or not is of no consequence, I can, by the way, but it doesn't matter. I prove, over and over, that I can create exceptional traders. Were I to be offering my services as a trader, of course I'd be publishing my results every month. But I'm not, so I only publish any results my students upload. The results of mine which you've seen on myfxbook were not cherry picked. Googling me will show you that's the only competition I ever entered. Had I entered with other names, it would be a massive fluke that the best of the lot...
See ya!!!
  • #3,837
  • Jan 14, 2018 8:40am Jan 14, 2018 8:40am
Quoting PayItForward
{quote} Lets us examine the facts that relate to your credibility - that is your Website and your Business. You say that you are genuine. You have done nothing to me personally so I do not know whether you are genuine or not. I have some questions and proper answers will create or destroy any credibility immediately regardless of whether you can trade FX or not. If you are not honest here with these answers or try to deflect then that answers everything about you and your business - INDISPUTABLE FACT! So who is Read The Market Ltd - provide a copy...
Awesome PayItFoward!!! I hope any one thinking of joining RTM will read this.
  • #3,838
  • Jan 14, 2018 8:53am Jan 14, 2018 8:53am
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  • #3,839
  • Jan 14, 2018 1:04pm Jan 14, 2018 1:04pm
thanks to "HORVAT" to get our attention.

mqlsoftware = chort-trader (revoked)

https://www.forexfactory.com/showthread.php?p=10669977
https://www.forexfactory.com/showthread.php?t=678451


the Phoenix will not rising from the Ashes for a long time.

pgbea.com = scam.
  • #3,840
  • Edited 2:57pm Jan 14, 2018 1:27pm | Edited 2:57pm
Quoting Winston Reed
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Trues are painful for scammers. Even if they have very hard shield
Try don't lose pants never...
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