"good traders trade, bad traders teach"

Smart traders teach.... Stupid traders trade.
Good traders hide and enjoy all the laughs.

GS

Truth is that trading is very hard for a number of reasons. I read that 80-90% of new hedge funds fail .... professionals who invested lots of time and money.

but we can try lol

Two fundamental ideas that (eventually) must sink in the marrow of your bones

about Coaches, teachers and Gurus;

1) this is the best way:
"If you meet the Buddha on the road, kill him"

2) if you must be a follower, then this is second best:
"May your teacher become your rival"

"good traders trade, bad traders teach"

90% true

remaining 10% happens when the good trader is old and tired and find an apprentice

with a lot of patience he can show him the way and some useful tricks

very good thread lads

Real traders make more money in a day than in a month of trading coaching. Dont do it if it doesn't make sense.

We never go empty handed with out trading. We gain whether we make profit or incur loss, we gain money while making profit and we gain experience while we lose in the same.

I battled with a signal seller in a other forum for marketing.

He tells that he makes 800 pips per month min , every month!

And he tells the People that he use two total stupid scam broker.

I told alot of Arguments that his stuff is bullshit and he only answered that he makes more money as signal seller as trader. When he makes 800 pips a month. Everyone in the thread dont get it and still ask stupid questions and hope for easy cash. I think only dukas_trader can help them.

I hate such things. They dont listen.

Disagree with the statement, good traders trade and bad traders teach.

Mike tyson teacher might not be a good boxer..

The role of a teacher is to pass knowledge in a easy way, if he could do that and his student is profiting from the market, he is a good teacher.

This is a version of the old "Those who can - do, those who cannot - teach" saying. I have never been able to make up my mind whether I agree with it or not. On one hand, there may be a grain of truth in it. On the other hand, it seems quite condescending to me. The only way to learn, after all, is from those who can.

many say they can have xxx pips in month. if you see anyone calculating in pips in statistic, he is one of the biggest beginners or loser or fakers possible, thats as fact.
he dont know anything of math basics. as example : some days ago a guy "dkrock" tryed to fake he is good in math and has trading group and such shit and then came with still counting wins in pips in statisitics, that was one of my best laughs since last time. knowing math and counting in pips in statstsic is impossible, he is such bad in math and dont know it even ;-) and its so easy to see by what he writes , and then he starts attacking and attacking, he was really a pleasure to see him running crazy only because he did not know math basics. and he is maybe not really a 100% beginner, has only bigger problems with trading and market basics and likes to fake experience. other are really 100% beginners often who tell this pip counting bullshit or fakers/cheater often too . the reasons why many like to fake pips, its very easy to show more then you have. simple open 20 times a 0,01 lot order and you have with 10 pip win a win of 200 pip . against the same posiition with 0,2 lot you can only show later 10 pips win. so you present your 200 pips win against the 10 pip and look good. but only for the beginner or low level kids or in worst case people like dkrock or whatever, who have not even the possibility to understand why they are wrong when you describe him his problems (and this losers then often have trading groups and kill experience from other traders with this bullshit). and the extrem faking is only one problem with pip counting, noone know if you are in win or loss by saying "i earned 1000 pips last month"- he can be big in win or even big in loss, even extrem loss until account killing. you simple have won trades with small lot size and losing trades with bigger lot size and result is big money loss.
calculating in pips thatswhy noone ever use in statistic, its most useless possible to do, its same like using balance and not equity for trading (many mention only close trades and hide the open loses or double worst case the calculate in pips and mention only closed trades :-)).
calculating in pips is because of so many reasons stupid:
- you can fake easy all what you want and look a better trader by being total bad same time
- you dont know if you are in win or loss
- you need always to know for each position the rollover, the underlying tickvalue, then commission payed, the trading amount - or this pip value is telling zero if you won or lost, and because its such easier to calculate other things noone do this most stupid way with pips in statistic. for doing one trade calculating pip is fine, but add different trades in statistic together shows big problem in math understand.
- you lose time for worthless calculation
- you show yourself as total beginner or loser or with extrem math problems
- ...

calculating pips is the best way for fakers, for the rest who doing it, you know very fast, he dont really know what is trading, so can show you very fast at what experience level is this person, so he cant fake any more.
not without any reason is not counting statistics in pips one of the bigger math basic by learning trading. many dont like to learn trading, thatswhy many cant understand this facts. the only good way to calculate pips (but even then calculating in money is much much much more smarter) is, when you trade only same currency with always same lotsize , minimize by the the commissions reacalculated in pips and rollover recalculated in pips (and rollover only from case to case when happened). you even see how stupid complicated your calculation gets only to do worthless calculation point to know how many pips alltogether you had in a week/month/year... for a total useless number.


and you are right, many dont get it. you can show them why they are wrong and the bigger mistakes, but even when you only mention the extrem mistrakes (and dont speak about the smaller) they dont want learn the basics, they dont want to correct their mistakes or they want to fake as much as possible. thats normal in forum, when you are a faker or cheater you have contact with 95% of the forum members, when you speak about the truth you have maybe contact to 5% of the forum members and get attacked by the most stupid people ( some you can use as bad example at least). thats just normal and not possible to change.

There's a truckload of truth pal!!!
The most idiotic, moronic ,crazy teaching I've seen on dailyFx. From paid monkeys. Pardon me real monkeys!!!

Then tons of "traders" that can't see a green bar if hit with it. But open a biiiiig mouth. Killer Whale?? others....

The reason is : poor guys lost tons of money ,free time A LOT. .... TEACHING !!!

Then the " business men" . See Yohay .... Since 13 months i (and friends ) keep an eye on him, about 85-90% wrong trades. I'll put a price on finding the exact number !!! He Runs a website ForexCrunch....

Then the opposite, quiet traders, post 1 a month at reversal. See you next month pal. That's just amazing. No time for chat!!!! Go out enjoy life.... Got good system ?? All automated??. Got money?? No chatting about .

I wish to be like that. I'll share too.

Green pips!!

yet, time to time you must still agree with the guy, crazy, right?

he is very correct about that those who measure their gains only in pips, or promise monthly performance in pips are likely idiots, cheaters, fakers, and scams.
no serious trader will use pips as a performance measure for real.
cant ignore that

oh man, you loser again.
i dont want again write with such a total noob and loser, but in short:

- this loser is agressive and try to attack and again and again
- he wants see my trades because cant trade for himself but dont want pay a neutral auditor for this
- he wanted his freind do the work (and tried to sell me his friend as auditor, what a joke) and then i had to meet him around christmas -this was his offfer, the biggest joke in history
- of course i dont show my trades directly, why i should? monly losers do, fakers do or people who want tol sell something. i dont say anything when you want do, you are 1 of this group and not the best one i think so, but i dont have to come down to your low level? you need to learn the basics, then maybe you will know why many good traders dont show their trades or strategy. maybe talk with sucessfull traders and they teach you this basics, or learn by yourself - but please start learning!!!! you many many mistakes and stupid agressive style i such crazy bullshit.
- you really try to put me in a bad light, because i expose faker and cheaters and big mistakes,and you know you have many of this or you are a faker too (at least you are unfriendly useless person for 100% sure, in reality maybe more then you show here, but i hope you are only this low skill person with low ego in forum and your low ego dont kill you in real live so often like here in forum, or you really have problems in your life and need to attack again and again to compensate your life, then i at least understand why you right all this bullshit). oh man, learn trading and basics, stop attacking others (or at least have a reason for this!) and then have arguments. learn conversation!

so this faker with big mouth and nothing behind landed on my igonore list.

live with it, dkrock is pure stupid trader and even fakes knowing math very good (the joke of the year). you same time are only agressive guy , useless in best case. and thatswhy i did not write any more with you, live with your problem alone. so dont wonder when you talk to yourself with your agressive loser style.

this gefx is only full of shit. he did in all his post never mention any wrong thing i wrote, not one, he never mentioned any arguments. he only attacks for nothing.
i write about wrong pips calculating in statistic,, and he simple do nothing then attacking , and cant even see he is wrong and have no arguments again and again.
he is like a little girl who crying all the day and need someone to attack because his life is total bad and he feels useless. thats like he is showing all he time and i started ignoring such a "loser" because total waste of time, he never had to say 1 interesting information.

he is same stupid like dkrock (the math expert faker who counts statistics in pips), he wont attack and fake some things, nothing more he do. any thing dkrock tried to show what i did say wrong i corrected and after this he could not say more anything, same with this little boy gefx. its always same, they cant accept they dont know the basics and need attacking and attacking for not having arguments.

lets make a small party here. lets trade for an year. we will hide our trades. the te will show little to nothing. we all start with some negotiated capital all participants can face. and trade for one full year? just for fun...

i want to invite dkrock, because i do not like him.

i like dukas trader, but if he wants he can join too.

i dislike profitfarmer very much, so i invite him too.

anyone else, feel free to participate.

challenge is 12 months. full 2018. the spectators will choose the winner.

i myself, will count every participant to be a good trader, regardless of the result at the end of 2018, if the balance at that moment is at least close or similar to the starting balance at the begining. sort of, i find myself to be a positive asshole in this situation. although i am quite negative and predict not many will be able to keep their money. hardly speaking of making any money at all. prove my negativity wrong!

rondarousy is also very welcomed. i honestly like him. will be happy to taste more of his arrogance and irony, which i find very amusing.

who else?

i welcome EVERY AGRESSIVE ASSHOLE at this forum. come and trade with me during the whole 2018?

lets see how much of your verbal diaria matches your trading skills?

forgot to mention. live accounts only. i will be trading live cent account with the negotiatiat real USD minimum account balance.

so, what do you think, agressive assholes (but not funny!)? do you wanna compete with another asshole, for a full year? i would love it!

also forgot to mention. you have nothing to worry. i am a net loser. have not lose anything the last two years, but I am 160-170k behind... so, it will be easy. you will face a loser!

You forgot this aggressive asshole...

no worries, moneyzilla, there wont be any big commotion to sign up.
maybe you forgot to notice that from the aggressive assholes you listed only one has a TE, dead or alive...


currently you are a 'future project' perhaps

Before you can use metrics like return on margin or margin turns, you have to focus on pips. If you can't capture pips, you are a failure at trading. For new traders who would be corrupted by frauds like dukas_trader, please focus on learning how to trade, which means you can reliably capture pips. You can learn about trading metrics later.

dukas, although you know i do respect you. we skyped in the past, i think knowing the basics means nothing... i do not know the basics. so what? maybe basics are not so important? i know other stuffs. when i tried to share it here, nobody had any clues. i saw i am just wasting my time...

sort of, i got pissed off by the verbal diaria here. i see only talking. empty words. meaningless. it is big waste of time.

i do suggest we change this.

lets make this place a better place? at least try to?

i know it is impossible. most here are simply dumb MFs aren't going anywhere. they are negative thinkers, not knowing how to profit out of their negativity... because they are stupid. but lets help them? lets help ourselves? lets trade? lets not sell anything? lets live trade? individually. maybe later as a group, too? if these idiots figure out how to ally, so everyone can get something out of here? maybe that is also mission impossible? lets find out?

one thing is for sure. if we start trading/competing, at least the FF owners will make some serious cash. if we are dumb MFs, why not help the FF owners make more money, at least?

lets do something...

come on in! join in! this is a fun project! the goal is to survive a full year. whoever can make make money - good for him/her!

lets see how verbal matches skills?