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  • #12,061
  • Dec 12, 2017 8:18am Dec 12, 2017 8:18am
Quoting simond2002
{quote} Yep. It also paints Blair's post-premiership "conversion" to Catholicism in a rather curious light. I'd often wondered about this and how it might fit into the political discourse. Seems a little more obvious now.
Please clarify. We had our own issues at one point our history about Catholics, but I did not know the Brits had an issue. You guys are a bit smoother around the edges than we are.

Quoting jen101
{quote} UKIP stands for UK independence party as you know. It does exactly what it says on the tin. We have our laws and culture just like you do and when in the UK, you respect those. Fair enough? You would have thought so. I didn't comment on Reagan because it was a little before my time to have had an understanding of global matters so I don't really know, but I guess if Thatcher liked him, then that is a good enough reference for me. Thatcher would be considered so far right today, she would probably be sent to the gallows. UKIP under Nigel...
I have no issue with that whatsoever. When in Rome do as the Romans do. Nothing has changed. If I am going to England, I will learn to like tea and crumpets? And I will learn that "My country tis of thee" is not what England meant. I think you should fight for your heritage as Brits, as long as you agree that anyone can be British. Right now, we are fighting the fight of what "My fellow Americans" actually means. You guys are not alone.
If you are good at something, never do it for free--Joker
  • #12,062
  • Dec 12, 2017 8:26am Dec 12, 2017 8:26am
Quoting simond2002
{quote} Yep. It also paints Blair's post-premiership "conversion" to Catholicism in a rather curious light. I'd often wondered about this and how it might fit into the political discourse. Seems a little more obvious now.
All part of Blair's piety act, Saint Tony. Making himself more accepteable to the Europeans (fellow Catholic and all that) whilst seeking the top job in the EU
  • #12,063
  • Dec 12, 2017 10:35am Dec 12, 2017 10:35am
Quoting jmn5611
{quote} Please clarify. We had our own issues at one point our history about Catholics, but I did not know the Brits had an issue.
Where do I start?? (Thanks for the heads up re post 1 btw).

I wouldn't say we necessarily have an "issue" with the Catholic church but if we were to couch a discussion of Brexit in the perspective of what it means to be English then a reasonable definition of "English-ness" needs to be sought. It's at that point we find ourselves in direct historical conflict with the Catholic Church and I suppose by definition, Europe.

I think being English means a lot of things to a lot of people but that aside, for sure, it can be said that modern-day England begins with Henry VIII's separation from the Pope and Catholic Church in 1532. I think it's pretty obvious that the Catholic Church wielded as much political power across Europe at that time as it did theological so how bizarre is it that in some respects Henry's divorce could be thought of as a kind of Tudor Brexit?

Nearly 500 years later when Blair and his "constitutional reforms" comes along, the mainstream media frames his assault on the Lords as more of a kind of working-man's prerogative - taking down those hereditary fat-cat peers whose only pastime during waking hours is hunting foxes. Nevertheless, Blair's actions of smashing England's legal boundaries to European assimilation followed by an immediate conversion to Catholicism, (especially in light of England's history) seem wiffy to say the least. They don't call him "Teflon Tony" for nothing!
  • #12,064
  • Dec 12, 2017 4:21pm Dec 12, 2017 4:21pm
Quoting simond2002
{quote} Where do I start?? (Thanks for the heads up re post 1 btw). I wouldn't say we necessarily have an "issue" with the Catholic church but if we were to couch a discussion of Brexit in the perspective of what it means to be English then a reasonable definition of "English-ness" needs to be sought. It's at that point we find ourselves in direct historical conflict with the Catholic Church and I suppose by definition, Europe. I think being English means a lot of things to a lot of people but that aside, for sure, it can be said that modern-day...
That's a good point! The Church of England and protestants and all that! I would be odd for Tony do go Catholic. But now that has happened that could have deep meaning. Americans, as your oldest and most powerful daughter, would not put a Catholic into office before JFK for just those historical reasons. Dr. M, care to chime in here?
If you are good at something, never do it for free--Joker
  • #12,065
  • Dec 13, 2017 9:03am Dec 13, 2017 9:03am
This is why we need JRM for PM.

https://youtu.be/JeFBzVT9PeY
  • #12,066
  • Dec 13, 2017 4:08pm Dec 13, 2017 4:08pm
https://youtu.be/IJNQtOwToMs
  • #12,067
  • Dec 15, 2017 12:01pm Dec 15, 2017 12:01pm
https://youtu.be/B7RAzFiFPHI

I wonder what civil war in America would look like; the silent majority disgusted with the overthrowing of democracy, who have stockpiles of guns. Hmm, interesting.
  • #12,068
  • Dec 15, 2017 5:18pm Dec 15, 2017 5:18pm
Quoting jen101
https://youtu.be/B7RAzFiFPHI I wonder what civil war in America would look like; the silent majority disgusted with the overthrowing of democracy, who have stockpiles of guns. Hmm, interesting.
There will be no civil war in the USA. We are far too distracted and comfortable. The average American cannot sprint 100 yards. The rest of these "militias" will be considered domestic terrorists. I am not saying that it can't happen, but it would take the US military to be unwilling to support the government for it to work. These things that people are waking up to were planned to play out over decades and generations. The younger generation has already accepted continuous surveillance. A significant movement would be stopped before it started. All of these groups are tracked, along with it's members. Outside of the occasional compound in Idaho, there is no chance for an armed uprising to succeed. If against all odds one would succeed, it would destroy our infrastructure and make us vulnerable to attack from without. Remember our last civil war killed more Americans than all our others wars combined. That was with muskets and cannon. Now there are M4 assault rifles, claymore mines, Abrams tanks, A10 warthogs, and Apache gunships, just to name a smattering of the military hardware at the governments disposal.
If you are good at something, never do it for free--Joker
  • #12,069
  • Edited 1:25am Dec 16, 2017 1:10am | Edited 1:25am
Quoting jmn5611
{quote} So UKIP is not ethnocentric? Google thinks they are. It links to articles about it. I ask because you are actually there, and as you know I have issues with google. I get all the rest you are saying. I did notice you did not comment on POTUS Reagan. Reagan built the modern GOP. There is no home for him there today. What do you think the Iron Lady would do today? {quote} Touche. Mea Culpa. What is it that you stand for Dr. Manhatten?
Limited Government, but a constitutional Government
Pro Choice
Investing in Education
Fiscal accountability ( More spending oversight and cutting out the abuse, the fraud, the waste and investment)
No more corporate welfare! Investment in small businesses with proper guidelines and requirements.
Lower the corporate tax rate to 15%
Flat Tax policy. Getting rid of the loop holes with zero deductions and everybody including corporations pay what is fair and proportional to what they earn.
Individual freedoms and rights (yes including freedom of speech)
TERM LIMITS for congress and the Senate!
No bail outs for banks (instituting a similar piece of legislation such as the ""Glass Steagal Act" and getting rid of "Dodd Frank")
Safety net, but reform for accountability, and a smarter system that sets up private accounts such as what they have in Singapore. That includes all entitlements.
Overhauling Social Security
No to chain migration. No to Anchor babies. Immigration reform, a system that puts Americans first for employee hires and one that properly vets people coming from countries considered a security risk.
Free market healthcare (addressing the cost issue means reform to get rid of special interest, Lobbying power, and this is across the board to all industries)
Civil Unions (Gay marriage) but can not impose on churches, groups, or business against their rights and beliefs.
Pro Gun Rights ( enforce the laws already on the books
No to over reaching EPA regulations, but support reasonable standards for ensuring clean water, clean air, and disposal of waste.
I support more investment in green tech, but with strict oversight to insure and defend against fraud and bankruptcy. (see Solindra)
  • #12,070
  • Dec 16, 2017 1:11am Dec 16, 2017 1:11am
Quoting jen101
https://youtu.be/B7RAzFiFPHI I wonder what civil war in America would look like; the silent majority disgusted with the overthrowing of democracy, who have stockpiles of guns. Hmm, interesting.

HA you beat me to it!
  • #12,071
  • Dec 16, 2017 1:22am Dec 16, 2017 1:22am
Quoting jmn5611
{quote} There will be no civil war in the USA. We are far too distracted and comfortable. The average American cannot sprint 100 yards. The rest of these "militias" will be considered domestic terrorists. I am not saying that it can't happen, but it would take the US military to be unwilling to support the government for it to work. These things that people are waking up to were planned to play out over decades and generations. The younger generation has already accepted continuous surveillance. A significant movement would be stopped before it...

In some aspects you are flat out wrong! In some aspects you maybe correct in that America has become complacent, apathetic, but I assure you there are more people out there such as gun owners who are prepared. Besides all the military hardware you just listed, if that is the case then why hasn't the US military been able to win the war in Afghanistan? My point is, if such a war does break out, it could drag on for many years totally turning the US into a complete police state, with Gorilla warfare tactics being employed by the rebels against the US Military. But to your previous suggestion, that it's a 50/50 chance that such a war breaks out would beg asking the question if Americans have the stomach for it. I would not underestimate the most hearty of Americans willing to die for a cause. It is written in our 2nd amendment.

Just google Terry LeVoy Finnucum ( There are many out there just like him who are staunch believers in the American way of life!)
https://freenorthcarolina.blogspot.co.uk/2016/01/
  • #12,072
  • Dec 16, 2017 1:26am Dec 16, 2017 1:26am
Quoting DrManhatten
{quote} Limited Government, but a constitutional Government Pro Choice Investing in Education Fiscal accountability ( More spending oversight and cutting out the abuse, the fraud, the waste and investment) No more corporate welfare! Investment in small businesses with proper guidelines and requirements. Lower the corporate tax rate to 15% Flat Tax policy. Getting rid of the loop holes with zero deductions and everybody including corporations pay what is fair and proportional to what they earn. Individual freedoms and rights (yes including freedom...
What a wonderful and idealistic list, one that appeals to our nature. Reminded me of clip from a movie I liked long ago.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HRB2dGI1vRM

Quoting DrManhatten
{quote} In some aspects you are flat out wrong! In some aspects you maybe correct in that America has become complacent, apathetic, but I assure you there are more people out there such as gun owners who are prepared. Besides all the military hardware you just listed, if that is the case then why hasn't the US military been able to win the war in Afghanistan? My point is, if such a war does break out, it could drag on for many years totally turning the US into a complete police state, with Gorilla warfare tactics being employed by the rebels against...
I don't think Americans have the stomach for it. We are already very nearly a police state. We have not won the war in Afghanistan because we need to preserve to poppy fields we have there, so a total and complete destruction of the infrastructure followed by the systematic destruction of any military capability that remains is not a part of that plan. An armed insurrection would be met with all the technology the military has at it's disposal, a lot of people will die as traitors to the nation and a clear and present danger to national security. That they would gladly forfeit their lives in a lost cause is meaningless.
If you are good at something, never do it for free--Joker
  • #12,073
  • Dec 16, 2017 1:41am Dec 16, 2017 1:41am
Saturday Morning Cinema

The genre for the week is Drama.


"The Lost City of Z"

Based on a true story of a British explorer seeking a lost city in the jungles of South America. This is an excellent movie, a period piece, in which the central character becomes consumed in finding a lost treasure. In end the question remains what is the cost, and what was the main character willing to sacrifice to achieve his goals.

https://youtu.be/OhaXFwlJmgo

"Wind River"

This is a boarder line movie in the genre category. While considered drama, it is at some point crosses over to being a crime thriller. Still, the characters are real, the acting and the script are excellently executed that is both gripping and profound in many respects that the unique characters portray. There is some violence and shocking scenes so it is not suitable for children. Parental discretion is advised. It is worth seeing though, and a good movie.

https://youtu.be/0F4Yxwo2ZEk

"The Beguiled"

Another period piece in which takes place in the deep south while the Civil War is in full rage. Colin Farrell and Nicole Kidman star in this unique premise in which they deliver some powerful performances. Just as the title suggests, beware of the trickery of women determined for self preservation. Excellent movie!

https://youtu.be/iBoLK5z_FHo


What are your favorite Drama's of all time? Please share!
  • #12,074
  • Dec 16, 2017 1:47am Dec 16, 2017 1:47am
{quote} I don't think Americans have the stomach for it. We are already very nearly a police state. We have not won the war in Afghanistan because we need to preserve to poppy fields we have there, so a total and complete destruction of the infrastructure followed by the systematic destruction of any military capability that remains is not a part of that plan. An armed insurrection would be met with all the technology the military has at it's disposal, a lot of people will die as traitors to the nation and a clear and present danger to national security. That they would gladly forfeit their lives in a lost cause is meaningless.[/quote]


Maybe, but aside from the drug trade, the same premise can be put to Vietnam too as Afghanistan. It is your opinion though, and I can't say I totally agree with it. I seriously doubt the American electorate will tolerate a democratically elected President being removed for questionable and unproven reasons, in other words, lets see what happens. I would expect all bets are off if that were to happen. Shoot first and ask names later! I'd rather die standing then living life on my knees!
  • #12,075
  • Dec 16, 2017 2:53am Dec 16, 2017 2:53am
Quoting DrManhatten
{quote} I don't think Americans have the stomach for it. We are already very nearly a police state. We have not won the war in Afghanistan because we need to preserve to poppy fields we have there, so a total and complete destruction of the infrastructure followed by the systematic destruction of any military capability that remains is not a part of that plan. An armed insurrection would be met with all the technology the military has at it's disposal, a lot of people will die as traitors to the nation and a clear and present danger to national...
Maybe, but aside from the drug trade, the same premise can be put to Vietnam too as Afghanistan. It is your opinion though, and I can't say I totally agree with it. I seriously doubt the American electorate will tolerate a democratically elected President being removed for questionable and unproven reasons, in other words, lets see what happens. I would expect all bets are off if that were to happen. Shoot first and ask names later! I'd rather die standing then living life on my knees![/quote]

What gets missed is that the American electorate elected HRC. But all that aside, Trump will not be going anywhere. He is good for business. What the minions who voted for him missed is that he promptly surrounded himself with bankers from GS and other billionaires. He has been very good for Wall Street and multinationals. All of these investigations are simply to appease the majority of the country that did not vote for him. He knows who butters his bread, and the cognitive dissonance is so severe that the alt right still supports him in spite of the fact that he is a full on Zionist. As far as Vietnam goes, it was so unpopular that we could not really get into it like that.
If you are good at something, never do it for free--Joker
  • #12,076
  • Dec 16, 2017 6:06am Dec 16, 2017 6:06am
Quoting jmn5611
{quote} There will be no civil war in the USA. We are far too distracted and comfortable. The average American cannot sprint 100 yards. The rest of these "militias" will be considered domestic terrorists. I am not saying that it can't happen, but it would take the US military to be unwilling to support the government for it to work. These things that people are waking up to were planned to play out over decades and generations. The younger generation has already accepted continuous surveillance. A significant movement would be stopped before it...
Yes I had forgotten about the fat and unfit masses. Though, what has fitness got to do with using a gun? All these decades of virtually force feeding the population, encouraging an Idiocracy type society such as the low IQ's to breed prolifically, do you think it is all to do with the end game, that people become too stupid to realise what is going on and too fat to fight back even if they do? Makes you wonder.
  • #12,077
  • Dec 16, 2017 6:24am Dec 16, 2017 6:24am
Quoting DrManhatten
{quote} HA you beat me to it!
How do you think it would play out in the UK? Clearly we have a parallel in Brexit, but we do not have the guns to make it a bit more interesting. We are equally fat and unfit, the masses are fed likewise on lots of unhealthy crap, the average IQ is dropping rapidly...

When unhappy, Yanks tend to vent immediately and the British seethe quietly (correct me on stereotyping if you disagree!) but keep pushing and we will blow a very big fuse. I think the end result is the same. Stu seemed to think that we are not far from blowing, the pizza eating masses will wake up from their comfortable slumber and it will hit them like a sledgehammer that we are being royally screwed! I for one, don't believe that if we are defrauded over Brexit, we will take it lying down. Those pizza bellies will be seeking recompense!

Richard Littlejohn says it very well: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-5181711/A-good-day-democracy-stupid-think-are.html
  • #12,078
  • Dec 16, 2017 7:09am Dec 16, 2017 7:09am
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  • #12,079
  • Dec 16, 2017 7:24am Dec 16, 2017 7:24am
Quoting jen101
{quote} Yes I had forgotten about the fat and unfit masses. Though, what has fitness got to do with using a gun? All these decades of virtually force feeding the population, encouraging an Idiocracy type society such as the low IQ's to breed prolifically, do you think it is all to do with the end game, that people become too stupid to realise what is going on and too fat to fight back even if they do? Makes you wonder.
Fitness itself has nothing to do with firing a weapon. But tactics and fitness go hand in hand. Yes, jen, for years I was in denial about what I could see right in front of my face. The population is kept distracted, overfed, under conditioned, and now don't even have to engage memory because of smart phones. Fitness readiness is even been reviewed for the military.

https://www.militarytimes.com/education-transition/education/2016/11/01/the-military-may-relax-recruiting-standards-for-fitness-and-pot-use/

We are in no condition, mentally or physically to fight a determined enemy. Militias are already considered hillbillies, rednecks, and racists. A media campaign will be waged like no other. Their leaders will be hunted down and neutralized as the rank and file decide to think about their families.
If you are good at something, never do it for free--Joker
  • #12,080
  • Dec 16, 2017 8:22am Dec 16, 2017 8:22am
Quoting jmn5611
{quote} Fitness itself has nothing to do with firing a weapon. But tactics and fitness go hand in hand. Yes, jen, for years I was in denial about what I could see right in front of my face. The population is kept distracted, overfed, under conditioned, and now don't even have to engage memory because of smart phones. Fitness readiness is even been reviewed for the military. https://www.militarytimes.com/education-transition/education/2016/11/01/the-military-may-relax-recruiting-standards-for-fitness-and-pot-use/ We are in no condition,...
In sparring (martial arts) it is mostly fitness and speed that will win. Like any scrap. You just need to dodge and block the fat bastards for 30 seconds then they're knackered and you can start to lay into them .

It looks like we're joining you down the toilet; the British army is lowering fitness requirements so more women can qualify: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3521538/Army-fitness-tests-written-make-sure-female-soldiers-qualify-line-duty.html

...and a 28 stone soldier got fired. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3829194/Soldier-weighing-28-STONES-kicked-army-female-squaddies-close-fitness-gap-male-comrades.html I mean, at what point did they decide he was too fat? Was 27 stone not too fat then?
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