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  • #12,041
  • Edited Dec 11, 2017 12:32am Dec 10, 2017 4:21pm | Edited Dec 11, 2017 12:32am
Quoting jmn5611
Jen, I have developed a soft spot in my heart for the English after seeing some of the videos from our fallen friends. It would never happen in the USA. You guys must get tougher on people who will not follow the law. Throwing stones at vehicles here will get you a long stint in a bad jail, if you live.
I had forgotten about Calais. I always try to book the train across which comes out further down from Calais thus missing all that aggro. It is a lot better now since the French rased the camp last year but some are returning and yes, are causing problems like throwing missiles at cars and burning tyres on the roads. You have to remember though that is on French soil and the policing has nothing to do with us. The French can be real arseholes.

On the subject of illegals trying to sneak into the UK, they can't be bright at all if they think risking your life at Calais is the only way, hiding in refrigerated lorries or hanging onto the underside of a Eurostar train. They could easily get on a train at Lille with a ticket to Paris, but stay on the train all the way to London. No checks. Doh. Or with the Irish border issue in the spotlight, there is nothing stopping them walking into NI through the Republic.
  • #12,042
  • Dec 10, 2017 4:30pm Dec 10, 2017 4:30pm
Quoting DrManhatten
{quote} Well, I have no doubt about your perceptions of JRM, but from what I am seeing so far, his ground game, and campaign is rather passive, not aggressive enough, which IMO needs to happen before the election in order to turn the hearts and minds of the electorate from voting for Corbyn. Now is the time to start acting, why is it now that we are just finding out about this guy? Why isn't his profile being elevated to head off the commie would be at the pass?
There is an unwritten game that the Tories play. They all voice support for the PM no matter how dire they are. If someone wants to throw a leadership challenge and they want a shot at the top job, they would never ever be proactive about it, because the "rebel" who does throw the challenge never becomes PM. Once the leadership challenge is well and truly open, the heavyweights then "reluctantly" put their names forward, to save the party of course. At all times they have to openly praise the current PM. Being two faced is what it's all about. Get it?
  • #12,043
  • Dec 11, 2017 7:16am Dec 11, 2017 7:16am
Quoting jen101
{quote} There is an unwritten game that the Tories play. They all voice support for the PM no matter how dire they are. If someone wants to throw a leadership challenge and they want a shot at the top job, they would never ever be proactive about it, because the "rebel" who does throw the challenge never becomes PM. Once the leadership challenge is well and truly open, the heavyweights then "reluctantly" put their names forward, to save the party of course. At all times they have to openly praise the current PM. Being two faced is what it's all...

Yep!

Does that mean Nigel can't be PM? Because is openly critical of all players?
  • #12,044
  • Dec 11, 2017 7:44am Dec 11, 2017 7:44am
Quoting DrManhatten
{quote} Yep! Does that mean Nigel can't be PM? Because is openly critical of all players?
Nigel cannot be PM because he doesn't have a party. He is not even an MP so has no say and no vote in the House of Commons. However he is an MEP so he can give the European Parliament plenty of abuse. He tried to win a seat 8 times when he was leader of UKIP and failed every time. So really he is only a mouthpiece.
  • #12,045
  • Dec 11, 2017 7:57am Dec 11, 2017 7:57am
Quoting jen101
{quote} Nigel cannot be PM because he doesn't have a party. He is not even an MP so has no say and no vote in the House of Commons. However he is an MEP so he can give the European Parliament plenty of abuse. He tried to win a seat 8 times when he was leader of UKIP and failed every time. So really he is only a mouthpiece.
Sooo....I googled UKIP, and apparently they are portrayed as a bunch of wingers. Is this true?
If you are good at something, never do it for free--Joker
  • #12,046
  • Dec 11, 2017 8:49am Dec 11, 2017 8:49am
Quoting DrManhatten
{quote} Yep! Does that mean Nigel can't be PM? Because is openly critical of all players?
I think that Nigel has a soft spot for Jacob Rees-Mogg and has hosted him several times on his radio show
  • #12,047
  • Dec 11, 2017 9:06am Dec 11, 2017 9:06am
Quoting jmn5611
{quote} Sooo....I googled UKIP, and apparently they are portrayed as a bunch of wingers. Is this true?
Without UKIP we never would have had a referendum. In the 2015 election their popularity forced Cameron to offer a referendum but of course they were arrogant enough to never expect us to vote leave. With your views on the EU, Brexit and "refugees," you would be considered far right here, as well as racist and Islamophobic.
  • #12,048
  • Dec 11, 2017 9:25am Dec 11, 2017 9:25am
Quoting jen101
{quote} Without UKIP we never would have had a referendum. In the 2015 election their popularity forced Cameron to offer a referendum but of course they were arrogant enough to never expect us to vote leave. With your views on the EU, Brexit and "refugees," you would be considered far right here, as well as racist and Islamophobic.
Well, wait a minute. I do not believe that Britain is by white people for white people. I believe that England has a set of rules. If you come in under the Union Jack, then you are subject to those rules. You are free to be Muslim if you wish, you are free veil Muslim women if they wish to be veiled. This issue is when Muslims would try Sharia law as proxy for British law. We as Yanks would not even begin to entertain that. Honor killings, for example, depending on which state you live in, would carry the death penalty. Now if they want to have their own little business community, then that is more than good. It creates jobs which in turn adds to the public treasury. Personally I believe in the system of checks and balances. It is working well here in the USA. And it should work equally well in England, as well as the rest of the UK.
If you are good at something, never do it for free--Joker
  • #12,049
  • Dec 11, 2017 9:34am Dec 11, 2017 9:34am
Quoting jmn5611
{quote} Well, wait a minute. I do not believe that Britain is by white people for white people. I believe that England has a set of rules. If you come in under the Union Jack, then you are subject to those rules. You are free to be Muslim if you wish, you are free veil Muslim women if they wish to be veiled. This issue is when Muslims would try Sharia law as proxy for British law. We as Yanks would not even begin to entertain that. Honor killings, for example, depending on which state you live in, would carry the death penalty. Now if they want...
Us too. No one said white. British means all creeds and colours, that isn't the problem. Just by displaying the Union Jack or the St. George's cross you would automatically be seen as racist. By respecting we have borders makes you racist. By saying no to the world coming here to take advantage of your hospitality and generosity you are racist. By not accepting Sharia law you are Islamophobic.
  • #12,050
  • Dec 11, 2017 9:48am Dec 11, 2017 9:48am
Quoting jen101
{quote} Us too. No one said white. British means all creeds and colours, that isn't the problem. Just by displaying the Union Jack or the St. George's cross you would automatically be seen as racist. By respecting we have borders makes you racist. By saying no to the world coming here to take advantage of your hospitality and generosity you are racist. By not accepting Sharia law you are Islamophobic.
So UKIP is not ethnocentric? Google thinks they are. It links to articles about it. I ask because you are actually there, and as you know I have issues with google. I get all the rest you are saying. I did notice you did not comment on POTUS Reagan. Reagan built the modern GOP. There is no home for him there today. What do you think the Iron Lady would do today?

Quoting DrManhatten
{quote} Stop what? You are pivoting and you know it! How the hell do you know what I am? Did you ever ask what i believe in? The answer is a big fat NO! So try again! Just ask and I will tell you what I stand for. The answer might surprise you!
Touche. Mea Culpa. What is it that you stand for Dr. Manhatten?
If you are good at something, never do it for free--Joker
  • #12,051
  • Dec 11, 2017 10:02am Dec 11, 2017 10:02am
Hello everyone,

First post in this thread.

I discussed Brexit with Cliff Edwards some time ago in his thread. A lively debate! And I would like to continue it - but perhaps not as lively!

I want to see a Brexit worth having, happen. Actually, the main reason I believe in Brexit, is that I believe in sovereign nations. I believe they are a sociological construct much more conducive to the human condition than their alternative. I'm happy to discuss this further but probably at some other time. For now, as a quick intro, I wanted to post the following video, which is just 20 minutes long.

I have a feeling there are not many people in Britain (and I would imagine far fewer around the world) who fully understand or are even aware of the mechanics that set us along the path to the situation we now find out ourselves in. Although rather basic in presentation, I think this chap's work is still a wonderfully erudite introduction to some of the key historical facts that the mainstream media is not telling us.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=1162&v=c2_EvT-FtmM
  • #12,052
  • Dec 11, 2017 11:26am Dec 11, 2017 11:26am
Quoting simond2002
Hello everyone, First post in this thread. I discussed Brexit with Cliff Edwards some time ago in his thread. A lively debate! And I would like to continue it - but perhaps not as lively! I want to see a Brexit worth having, happen. Actually, the main reason I believe in Brexit, is that I believe in sovereign nations. I believe they are a sociological construct much more conducive to the human condition than their alternative. I'm happy to discuss this further but probably at some other time. For now, as a quick intro, I wanted to post the following...
Hi, please do!
  • #12,053
  • Dec 11, 2017 11:37am Dec 11, 2017 11:37am
Quoting jmn5611
{quote} So UKIP is not ethnocentric? Google thinks they are. It links to articles about it. I ask because you are actually there, and as you know I have issues with google. I get all the rest you are saying. I did notice you did not comment on POTUS Reagan. Reagan built the modern GOP. There is no home for him there today. What do you think the Iron Lady would do today?
UKIP stands for UK independence party as you know. It does exactly what it says on the tin. We have our laws and culture just like you do and when in the UK, you respect those. Fair enough? You would have thought so.

I didn't comment on Reagan because it was a little before my time to have had an understanding of global matters so I don't really know, but I guess if Thatcher liked him, then that is a good enough reference for me. Thatcher would be considered so far right today, she would probably be sent to the gallows. UKIP under Nigel is the closest we had to Thatcherism.
  • #12,054
  • Dec 11, 2017 11:43am Dec 11, 2017 11:43am
Quoting jen101
{quote} Hi, please do!
What were your thoughts on the info the guy discussed in his video? He certainly educated me on various aspects of the Golden Triangle and Blair's culling of the Lords (and to think it was all about fox hunting lol)
  • #12,055
  • Dec 11, 2017 12:42pm Dec 11, 2017 12:42pm
Quoting simond2002
{quote} What were your thoughts on the info the guy discussed in his video? He certainly educated me on various aspects of the Golden Triangle and Blair's culling of the Lords (and to think it was all about fox hunting lol)
Blair culled the the Law Lords to facilitate the power transfer to the EU under the Lisbon Treaty. Whilst our parliamentary system is not perfect, for the totally undemocratic unaccountable EU to have controlling power over the UK is even more dangerous. Brexit has had the effect of making people more politically aware and with that, maybe we will be able to enhance our democracy
  • #12,056
  • Dec 11, 2017 1:15pm Dec 11, 2017 1:15pm
Quoting Devauxt
{quote} Blair culled the the Law Lords to facilitate the power transfer to the EU under the Lisbon Treaty. Whilst our parliamentary system is not perfect, for the totally undemocratic unaccountable EU to have controlling power over the UK is even more dangerous. Brexit has had the effect of making people more politically aware and with that, maybe we will be able to enhance our democracy
Agreed. One aspect of this unfolding situation that has intrigued me most is the complicity of the mainstream media. To the best of my memory they only ever couched the reporting of Blair's deconstruction of the Lords in terms of the unfairness of hereditary peerage. That row was going on nearly 20 years ago and to have lived long enough to see it re-emerge and dragged centre stage is fascinating. Witnessing its true context only serves to illustrate just how devious and deceitful that period of NU-Labour politics really was. It's almost Shakespearean.
  • #12,057
  • Dec 11, 2017 1:26pm Dec 11, 2017 1:26pm
Quoting simond2002
{quote} Agreed. One aspect of this unfolding situation that has intrigued me most is the complicity of the mainstream media. To the best of my memory they only ever couched the reporting of Blair's deconstruction of the Lords in terms of the unfairness of hereditary peerage. That row was going on nearly 20 years ago and to have lived long enough to see it re-emerge and dragged centre stage is fascinating. Witnessing its true context only serves to illustrate just how devious and deceitful that period of NU-Labour politics really was. It's almost...
Blair was complicit in facilitating and promoting the Soros, UN and EU nondemocratic European government rule and population replacement and dependency
  • #12,058
  • Edited 2:33pm Dec 11, 2017 2:21pm | Edited 2:33pm
Quoting Devauxt
{quote} Blair was complicit in facilitating and promoting the Soros, UN and EU nondemocratic European government rule and population replacement and dependency
Yep. It also paints Blair's post-premiership "conversion" to Catholicism in a rather curious light. I'd often wondered about this and how it might fit into the political discourse. Seems a little more obvious now.
  • #12,059
  • Dec 12, 2017 8:15am Dec 12, 2017 8:15am
Quoting jen101
{quote} UKIP stands for UK independence party as you know. It does exactly what it says on the tin. We have our laws and culture just like you do and when in the UK, you respect those. Fair enough? You would have thought so. I didn't comment on Reagan because it was a little before my time to have had an understanding of global matters so I don't really know, but I guess if Thatcher liked him, then that is a good enough reference for me. Thatcher would be considered so far right today, she would probably be sent to the gallows. UKIP under Nigel...
Jen you are an old soul. You must be in your thirties. How did you draw all of us old geezers here? So the Iron Lady is a winger, and Reagan is libtard? Wow, that's just crazy.
If you are good at something, never do it for free--Joker
  • #12,060
  • Dec 12, 2017 8:16am Dec 12, 2017 8:16am
Quoting simond2002
{quote} What were your thoughts on the info the guy discussed in his video? He certainly educated me on various aspects of the Golden Triangle and Blair's culling of the Lords (and to think it was all about fox hunting lol)
Welcome the RH simond! Read post one so you don't get killed. Are you a Briton?
If you are good at something, never do it for free--Joker
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