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  • #41
  • Dec 9, 2017 5:24am Dec 9, 2017 5:24am
good idea....
We shall fight We shall win.
  • #42
  • Dec 9, 2017 9:42am Dec 9, 2017 9:42am
Quoting abokwaik
{quote} When wrong, get out ! When in doubt, scale out !
Trading is an exercise in probabilities, not certainties. So there is always doubt..........

It sounds like you are saying you should only be in a full position if it is always in profit. If it is not, start to get out of the market. While I agree in cutting losses short, entries need not be so perfectly timed so that the market does not move any pips against you. And again, if you are going to start exiting when the market moves against you, why would you not exit the entire position? After all, if it turns out you are right on direction, but wrong on timing, you can always get back into the Market. That's why one should pursue a method robust enough to offer multiple entries into a trend, rather than one that tries to time a single entry "to the pip".
Without VSA, you're playing checkers while the Smart Money plays chess.
  • #43
  • Edited 11:04am Dec 9, 2017 10:09am | Edited 11:04am
Philosopher everyone has become! no loses anyone has,

In all seriousness this thread could be one of the best learning threads on FF if people could keep it on topic. If I was hosting this thread I would be deleting any posts that weren't:

1) Showing a losing trade
2) Anaylzing the losing trade
3) or other users provide their analysis of someone else's chart, technically, with the information given on the current chart!


Keep this thread on topic, please!


"Only Losses"
Learn, a forex trader must, unlearn and relearn he will.
  • #44
  • Dec 9, 2017 8:41pm Dec 9, 2017 8:41pm
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squawk said EU and GB finally had a deal, i buy right away. the pice goes my way for about 6~7 pip then crash 40 pip the other direction in few seconds for no reason, i still don't know what happened.


same thing happened few hours later on UJ while i was trading the NFP, price goes down, i get in, get few pips then the price shoots up for no apparent reason!
i lose money for a living
  • #45
  • Dec 9, 2017 10:24pm Dec 9, 2017 10:24pm
Loss of the week. 20pips sl(+spread) and 60pips tp preset at entry. Lesson : don't place trades past bedtime, not willing to wait got whacked by a bad entry.
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  • #46
  • Dec 9, 2017 11:01pm Dec 9, 2017 11:01pm
long legged doji GBPJPY..cutloss buy and open short
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  • #47
  • Dec 9, 2017 11:06pm Dec 9, 2017 11:06pm
this is bad..cutloss sell and open long or hedging ??
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  • #48
  • Dec 9, 2017 11:26pm Dec 9, 2017 11:26pm
Quoting tylerbose
{image} squawk said EU and GB finally had a deal, i buy right away. the pice goes my way for about 6~7 pip then crash 40 pip the other direction in few seconds for no reason, i still don't know what happened. same thing happened few hours later on UJ while i was trading the NFP, price goes down, i get in, get few pips then the price shoots up for no apparent reason!
You bought into institutional sell orders....helped them get their sell orders filled. Always watch out for important level
cut your losses short and let your profit run
  • #49
  • Dec 9, 2017 11:40pm Dec 9, 2017 11:40pm
Quoting tylerbose
{image} squawk said EU and GB finally had a deal, i buy right away. the pice goes my way for about 6~7 pip then crash 40 pip the other direction in few seconds for no reason, i still don't know what happened. same thing happened few hours later on UJ while i was trading the NFP, price goes down, i get in, get few pips then the price shoots up for no apparent reason!
You bought at resistance, and the news wasn't enough to push through. I've found is a good idea to look at the next higher time frame or two and know which way it's trending. Look at your trade on the15mchart.Downtrend.
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  • #50
  • Dec 9, 2017 11:40pm Dec 9, 2017 11:40pm
Quoting MoneyZilla
This is the typical market behaviour. If I was you, I would study it. I am repeating this the last two years or so. But nobody listens... You do want to learn from your losses? That is wonderful idea! Well, you do need to crack this down then... Everything you need is in there... {image}
I think you have something going for you here MZ. My feeling is... USD and JPY pairs demonstrate extremity behavior in my setups (i.e. HTF signal end up at OB/OS levels) and Crosses demonstrate balance behavior i.e. HTF signal end up at S/R Flip levels. I also think it is related to the fact the 99% of most trading strategies have a very tiny edge ranging from 49% - 52% win/loss rate. The 1% of winning strategies are somehow able to tilt this edge in their favor via means other that price action. I am trying to quantify this stuff but it is extremely time consuming and complex. My excel is burning the 8-core CPUs with calculations that take over 15 mins to every filter I apply LOL
Staying in my lane...
  • #51
  • Dec 9, 2017 11:42pm Dec 9, 2017 11:42pm
Quoting skyway
Loss of the week. 20pips sl(+spread) and 60pips tp preset at entry. Lesson : don't place trades past bedtime, not willing to wait got whacked by a bad entry. {image}
Yeah looks like that one could have went your way. Any way you could have improved that entry a bit?
  • #52
  • Dec 9, 2017 11:52pm Dec 9, 2017 11:52pm
Quoting Mr.yen
this is bad..cutloss sell and open long or hedging ?? {image}
Mr Yen you are chasing the market. You can't catch every single move. Pick a direction, and look for a bargain entry. Think of it this way: you are in the market for some currency. You can buy it any time you want, but it's best to wait for it to go on sale. Be cheap and stingy.
  • #53
  • Dec 10, 2017 12:13am Dec 10, 2017 12:13am
Quoting VEEFX
{quote} I think you have something going for you here MZ. My feeling is...
You are right. Everything is equal to 0 (buy/sell candles/pips/duration/ext) and that confuses everyone. The room for profit is so small and tiny, very few can enter it...

They are giving away 20% as profits and take away 80% from the losers, who pay the profits of the 20% winner and all the rest is left for them... This is their business model.

The price gets driven by themselves or by their traders. They are all over the place. It is a closed club. No outsiders. Only insiders. You and me are not invited. Most famous traders among them. Many quotes from these "successful" folks here all over the place. These are the insiders.

For example, in the US, 90% of the guys with money are white American Jews. Males mostly. This is so fishy, and so clear meanwhile. Jews are united, unlike most other herds. They rule out the US dollar, so they have the right to do as they are pleased. If I was in their shoes would do the same thing...

I am not attacking them, only describing what is going on. I also thank them for the wonderful opportunity given.
So, few sheep from their herd actually move the prices, among other family and cross continental friends, too. If I can describe it like this.
Maadik Hugiis. IQ 69.
  • #54
  • Dec 10, 2017 12:25am Dec 10, 2017 12:25am
Quoting MoneyZilla
{quote} You are right. Everything is equal to 0 (buy/sell candles/pips/duration/ext) and that confuses everyone. The room for profit is so small and tiny, very few can enter it... They are giving away 20% as profits and take away 80% from the losers, who pay the profits of the 20% winner and all the rest is left for them... This is their business model. The price gets driven by themselves or by their traders. They are all over the place. It is a closed club. No outsiders. Only insiders. You and me are not invited. Most famous traders among them....
The allure of price pimp'ng will continue for dreamers until it is approached in a quantified manner to gain such deep level of understanding. Looking at historical charts looks soo easy but in the long run VERY few will come out alive and unscratched.
Staying in my lane...
  • #55
  • Dec 10, 2017 1:18am Dec 10, 2017 1:18am
Quoting tylerbose
{image} squawk said EU and GB finally had a deal, i buy right away. the pice goes my way for about 6~7 pip then crash 40 pip the other direction in few seconds for no reason, i still don't know what happened. same thing happened few hours later on UJ while i was trading the NFP, price goes down, i get in, get few pips then the price shoots up for no apparent reason!

With the pound this is called buy the rumour sell the fact.

With UJ - there was a miss on wages inflation-estimates had been higher that previous
Plus there was a move from Trump's Tax reform program- going into the event.
  • #56
  • Dec 10, 2017 12:28pm Dec 10, 2017 12:28pm
Great thread.

I am sure I will posting a lot here....
trading is simple but is simple is not easy.
  • #57
  • Dec 10, 2017 11:43pm Dec 10, 2017 11:43pm
VG Thread!

Howler i made last week.

Buy on the DAX, silly me decided it had gone up enough and was going to reverse... closed on the first entry test, as soon as I closed it, it ran all the way to my TP.

don't think follow your rules. (bloody emotions)
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  • #58
  • Dec 10, 2017 11:49pm Dec 10, 2017 11:49pm
Quoting DexterMorgan
{quote} I was anticipating a breakout of this range and aiming for 1000 pips, please tell me how to avoid these losses ;-) {image}
by not aiming for 1,000 pips on a 5 minute chart is one way lol
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  • #59
  • Dec 10, 2017 11:55pm Dec 10, 2017 11:55pm
I made this 'beautiful' loss almost 30 pips, when I was scalping GU M5 this morning...

Analysis:
a. I think I got in late.
b. Over trusted my system (what else can I do since it's my trading tool )

Resolutions:
a. Avoid late entries
b. Continue to believe in my system and make room for periodical flops...

Happy pips traders!
Shemuel
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Patience pays Pips... And pips pay $$$
  • #60
  • Dec 11, 2017 12:07am Dec 11, 2017 12:07am
5 star thread! (No, not being sarcastic).
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