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  • #12,001
  • Dec 8, 2017 6:36am Dec 8, 2017 6:36am
Quoting jen101
{quote} Does that not constitute a hate crime or does it only apply one way?
Only one way Jen01. Quick outline below on how this works in our PC hipster world:

1. There is no such thing as racism against white people - ever.

2. Any white person who points out any wrong of a person of 'colour' is racist.

3. A person who is a 'liberal' can never be racist.

4. A person who is 'liberal' and/or of 'colour' cannot be racist against white people because of white genocide and white imperialism.

5. If a person calling themselves a 'liberal' is somehow proven to be a racist then they were never a 'real liberal'.

6. Liberal white people must always express shame at being white at all times, and if they don't they are closet 'conservative'.

7. A person who is a 'conservative' is always secretly racist.

8. If a 'conservative' is a person of 'colour' they are brainwashed by their oppressors.

9. To not accept these self evident truths means you have been brainwashed and are part of the oppression.
  • #12,002
  • Dec 8, 2017 6:59am Dec 8, 2017 6:59am
Quoting jen101
{quote} Does that not constitute a hate crime or does it only apply one way?
Not if you are in the Labour party
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  • #12,003
  • Dec 9, 2017 2:50am Dec 9, 2017 2:50am
Quoting jen101
{quote} To action a leadership challenge there needs to be 48 Conservative MPs to support a vote of no confidence. I think they had 40. It's only a matter of time though. The problem is many don't want to rock the boat. If there is a new leader, it could trigger another general election and with Corbyn doing so well in the polls, it's potentially a dangerous path to take.

How is it that Corbyn is doing so well? Haven't enough people awoken to the dangers of liberalism as being a disease? Or a mental disorder perhaps?
  • #12,004
  • Dec 9, 2017 2:57am Dec 9, 2017 2:57am
Saturday Morning Cinema

This weeks genre is animation. Here are what I consider as being the top 5.

https://youtu.be/alIq_wG9FNk

https://youtu.be/xz3j8gKRUTg

https://youtu.be/F2bk_9T482g

https://youtu.be/QBIavnfwp0U

https://youtu.be/DaShOr5AeKA

1. Wall E
2. TinTin
3. UP
4. Mars Needs Moms
5. Beowolf

Of course there are sub-genres of this category, such as Animee and honorable mentions from this is "Akira" and "Treasure Planet." What are your favorite Animations of all time?
  • #12,005
  • Dec 9, 2017 3:38am Dec 9, 2017 3:38am
Quoting DrManhatten
{quote} How is it that Corbyn is doing so well? Haven't enough people awoken to the dangers of liberalism as being a disease? Or a mental disorder perhaps?
The greatest nations on earth are liberal.
If you are good at something, never do it for free--Joker
  • #12,006
  • Dec 9, 2017 3:45am Dec 9, 2017 3:45am
Quoting jmn5611
{quote} The greatest nations on earth are liberal.
Liberal as in Socialist or liberal as in free?
  • #12,007
  • Dec 9, 2017 3:55am Dec 9, 2017 3:55am
Quoting DrManhatten
{quote} How is it that Corbyn is doing so well? Haven't enough people awoken to the dangers of liberalism as being a disease? Or a mental disorder perhaps?
1. Corbyn is a people person. He goes around hugging the needy and promises them everything will be fine. He shows empathy and people can relate to him. May, on the other hand, is cold and robotic.
2. Corbyn has a magic money tree. He promises no student tuition fees. He will tax heavily the greedy fat cats and the rich and redistribute the wealth for "a fairer society." If you're a lazy layabout who can't be arsed to work, then that's great news - you get more for nothing! If you're into breeding (children, not animals) then that is good news too, as the State will pay you to do so and pay you well!

That's about as far as they see.
  • #12,008
  • Dec 9, 2017 3:56am Dec 9, 2017 3:56am
Quoting jen101
{quote} Liberal as in Socialist or liberal as in free?
This is where conservatives get things crossed up. Liberalism is not the same as Socialism. Socialism is compulsory in most nations states that have tried that. Liberalism is freedom to act however you please within a governmental framework that ensures that the strong do not trod on the rights of the weak, or the many do not persecute the few.

Quoting jen101
{quote} 1. Corbyn is a people person. He goes around hugging the needy and promises them everything will be fine. He shows empathy and people can relate to him. May, on the other hand, is cold and robotic. 2. Corbyn has a magic money tree. He promises no student tuition fees. He will tax heavily the greedy fat cats and the rich and redistribute the wealth for "a fairer society." If you're a lazy layabout who can't be arsed to work, then that's great news - you get more for nothing! If you're into breeding (children, not animals) then that is good...
1. That is what a good liberal should do.
2. That is socialism.
3. Children. The states needs soldiers to fight the wars, farmers to grow the food, and laborers. The state will get it's money back.
If you are good at something, never do it for free--Joker
  • #12,009
  • Dec 9, 2017 4:49am Dec 9, 2017 4:49am
Quoting jmn5611
{quote} This is where conservatives get things crossed up. Liberalism is not the same as Socialism. Socialism is compulsory in most nations states that have tried that. Liberalism is freedom to act however you please within a governmental framework that ensures that the strong do not trod on the rights of the weak, or the many do not persecute the few. {quote} 1. That is what a good liberal should do. 2. That is socialism. 3. Children. The states needs soldiers to fight the wars, farmers to grow the food, and laborers. The state will get it's money...
Jmn, do you believe that in Sovereign nations in control of their own borders, laws and finances? Do you believe in vetting potential immigrants rather than letting everyone in? Do you believe that we should be able to spend our money as we see fit? If so, you probably would have voted for Brexit and that would make you far right.

However, I believe in universal healthcare for all, free at the point of service. I think it is a hallmark of a civilised society where citizens do not have to worry about facing bankruptcy because of ill health or anyone dying or suffering needlessly. People should be free to pursue their goals without fear of not being able to afford healthcare. I also believe in very, very strict gun control and teaching creationism as science in schools is beyond frightening, to the point that I see a parallel to the brainwashing that happen in Arab countries. What would that make me if I was American?
  • #12,010
  • Dec 9, 2017 5:07am Dec 9, 2017 5:07am
Quoting jmn5611
{quote} The greatest nations on earth are liberal.
There are several ways to describe "Liberal" as is more than one definition. Democrats in America highjacked the true origin of it, and a true liberal is actually more conservative then the full blown marxist kind that has become known today as the progressive Liberal.
  • #12,011
  • Dec 9, 2017 5:10am Dec 9, 2017 5:10am
Quoting jen101
{quote} Jmn, do you believe that in Sovereign nations in control of their own borders, laws and finances? Do you believe in vetting potential immigrants rather than letting everyone in? Do you believe that we should be able to spend our money as we see fit? If so, you probably would have voted for Brexit and that would make you far right. However, I believe in universal healthcare for all, free at the point of service. I think it is a hallmark of a civilised society where citizens do not have to worry about facing bankruptcy because of ill health...
I will answer based on the the questions.

1. Yes, it is one of the biggest critiques that I have of my country. We messing around in other peoples governments.
2. As Reagan would say, "trust, but verify".
3. To a degree, we should pay for commonly used infrastructure like roads, bridges, safe food and water, airports, etc.
4. You would be a socialist, full stop. Some might call you a communist as you clearly do not believe in God, they would say. In the USA they call it European Socialism, and it is a terrible slur politically for the right. Bernie Sanders correctly calls it Democratic Socialism.

I would have voted for Brexit because the EU is a fancy word for Germany. Everyone knows it. But that is after being here in the RH for awhile. Americans generally thought you had lost your minds when you guys pulled that stunt.
If you are good at something, never do it for free--Joker
  • #12,012
  • Dec 9, 2017 5:11am Dec 9, 2017 5:11am
Quoting jen101
{quote} Jmn, do you believe that in Sovereign nations in control of their own borders, laws and finances? Do you believe in vetting potential immigrants rather than letting everyone in? Do you believe that we should be able to spend our money as we see fit? If so, you probably would have voted for Brexit and that would make you far right. However, I believe in universal healthcare for all, free at the point of service. I think it is a hallmark of a civilised society where citizens do not have to worry about facing bankruptcy because of ill health...


Not sure. If you are against upholding the 2nd Amendment and want a one size fits all for healthcare instead of free market health care, then you would be considered more Democrat than Republican. If one of the two choices of the previous issues I just mentioned were a compromise such as choosing one,(like supporting Gun rights) then you would be closer to being labeled a Libertarian. That is by American standards respectfully speaking.
  • #12,013
  • Dec 9, 2017 5:14am Dec 9, 2017 5:14am
Quoting jen101
{quote} 1. Corbyn is a people person. He goes around hugging the needy and promises them everything will be fine. He shows empathy and people can relate to him. May, on the other hand, is cold and robotic. 2. Corbyn has a magic money tree. He promises no student tuition fees. He will tax heavily the greedy fat cats and the rich and redistribute the wealth for "a fairer society." If you're a lazy layabout who can't be arsed to work, then that's great news - you get more for nothing! If you're into breeding (children, not animals) then that is good...

Then by that standard you guys are going to need a great marketing campaign or all will be lost in the next election. Warm heart vs. Cold Fish. No comparison. Night and Day!
  • #12,014
  • Dec 9, 2017 5:19am Dec 9, 2017 5:19am
Quoting DrManhatten
{quote} There are several ways to describe "Liberal" as is more than one definition. Democrats in America highjacked the true origin of it, and a true liberal is actually more conservative then the full blown marxist kind that has become known today as the progressive Liberal.
"Ask not what your country can do for you, ask what you can do for your country." -- Is that marxist?

Quoting DrManhatten
{quote} Not sure. If you are against upholding the 2nd Amendment and want a one size fits all for healthcare instead of free market health care, then you would be considered more Democrat than Republican. If one of the two choices of the previous issues I just mentioned were a compromise such as choosing one,(like supporting Gun rights) then you would be closer to being labeled a Libertarian. That is by American standards respectfully speaking.
If she wants strict gun control and single payer health care then she is to the left of Hillary. She is with Bernie, who by his own admission is not a democrat.

Quoting verv
{quote} Only one way Jen01. Quick outline below on how this works in our PC hipster world: 1. There is no such thing as racism against white people - ever. 2. Any white person who points out any wrong of a person of 'colour' is racist. 3. A person who is a 'liberal' can never be racist. 4. A person who is 'liberal' and/or of 'colour' cannot be racist against white people because of white genocide and white imperialism. 5. If a person calling themselves a 'liberal' is somehow proven to be a racist then they were never a 'real liberal'. 6. Liberal...
There is nothing wrong with being white. That said, imperialism is the reason for the immigration crisis today. What guns do the Syrians manufacture? What tanks do ISIS make? How about the house of Saud?
If you are good at something, never do it for free--Joker
  • #12,015
  • Dec 9, 2017 6:22am Dec 9, 2017 6:22am
Quoting jmn5611
{quote} "Ask not what your country can do for you, ask what you can do for your country." -- Is that marxist? {quote} If she wants strict gun control and single payer health care then she is to the left of Hillary. She is with Bernie, who by his own admission is not a democrat. {quote} There is nothing wrong with being white. That said, imperialism is the reason for the immigration crisis today. What guns do the Syrians manufacture? What tanks do ISIS make? How about the house of Saud?
Ha, but mostly I believe in free markets and free will, small state and personal accountability. The best fit is Thatcherism. That's left for you lot then.
  • #12,016
  • Dec 9, 2017 6:27am Dec 9, 2017 6:27am
Quoting DrManhatten
{quote} Then by that standard you guys are going to need a great marketing campaign or all will be lost in the next election. Warm heart vs. Cold Fish. No comparison. Night and Day!
No, we need a new leader. It might happen now that May has opened the door for negotiations to start, though the Irish border issue is a worry. For 40 bn we want free cars from Germany and free wine and cheese from France for the next 10 years. No? Remember nothing is agreed till everything is agreed! Now, we need a proper negotiator in!
  • #12,017
  • Dec 9, 2017 6:30am Dec 9, 2017 6:30am
Sings .... "Clowns to the left of me . Jokers to right ... here I am , STUCK in the middle with you ..... """"
  • #12,018
  • Dec 9, 2017 6:46am Dec 9, 2017 6:46am
Quoting DrManhatten
{quote} Not sure. If you are against upholding the 2nd Amendment and want a one size fits all for healthcare instead of free market health care, then you would be considered more Democrat than Republican. If one of the two choices of the previous issues I just mentioned were a compromise such as choosing one,(like supporting Gun rights) then you would be closer to being labeled a Libertarian. That is by American standards respectfully speaking.
I don't know of a single Brit who wants to do away with the NHS. We are proud of it. Obviously it can do a lot better by cutting waste and corruption, but the founding idea is sound. The problem is not so much the NHS itself but government policy that lets in so many to abuse it. Given the huge extra numbers it has to cope with, I think it does very well.

We are used to the NHS and take it for granted. Then we are made to think, what if it was no more? The thought is terrifying! We don't have to worry if we lose our jobs if we get ill (It is illegal here to fire someone because of ill health) or whether or not we can afford the care or even medication. Our only concern is not to get ill in the first place, but sometimes some of us get a bad draw and have congenital problems. Why should those who got a bad draw have to bankrupt themselves or even go without?

Why is education deemed necessary for all children and is universally free? Why not pay for that too? So then why not free healthcare for all? We have plenty of private healthcare providers too if you want extra, but the premise is that everyone gets looked after.
  • #12,019
  • Dec 9, 2017 7:20am Dec 9, 2017 7:20am
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  • #12,020
  • Dec 9, 2017 7:22am Dec 9, 2017 7:22am
Quoting jen101
{quote} Ha, but mostly I believe in free markets and free will, small state and personal accountability. The best fit is Thatcherism. That's left for you lot then.
It is now. Reagan would be too liberal for his party today. So would Thatcher. Reagan ever granted amnesty once on the ground that we cannot kick all of those Mexicans out because it would mess up our agriculture. They are the ones out there in the fields.
If you are good at something, never do it for free--Joker
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