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  • #61
  • Nov 19, 2017 12:10pm Nov 19, 2017 12:10pm
Quoting MoneyFocus
{quote} Rules are different from systems and signals. Your stupidity knows no bounds. I am done with you. Your english is giving me cancer anyway.
you look like big fake with whatever you tell. not important what you say. cheat other persons. at least you are at such a low level in trading and cheating, that its so easy to see and you have no chnace that someone believe you, maybe only some bigger beginner who you can sell each shit.

but your are a good trading clown :-). but funny with cancer :-), people like you, cheater and fakers, are the cancer of such forums. at least you are a good expample of how not to be and so people learn from you too very little.
  • #62
  • Nov 19, 2017 12:18pm Nov 19, 2017 12:18pm
You should treat your profitable trading system like a patent. You don't give away patented information. Even if I sold my trading system, the individual receiving the information would probably make more money than I would. I've been around FX for quite a long time.....I realize most of you are just getting started in this thing. Trading FX correctly has nothing to do with most of the stuff you hear about out there.
  • #63
  • Nov 19, 2017 1:58pm Nov 19, 2017 1:58pm
Quoting Troikaone1
You should treat your profitable trading system like a patent. You don't give away patented information. Even if I sold my trading system, the individual receiving the information would probably make more money than I would. I've been around FX for quite a long time.....I realize most of you are just getting started in this thing. Trading FX correctly has nothing to do with most of the stuff you hear about out there.
some comments automatically convert the thread title into selling trading system...
whereas the thread is titled: "Would you share your knowledge for an expensive price?"
i believe often "knowledge" isnt really the system only; i think more traders fail on other, more emotional matters, or approach to money management, or perhaps even simply not realizing the real value of the trading they have, and in a constant search for more and better, even if they have all they would need to be successful already.

i would approach selling/sharing 'knowledge' as sort of a mentoring that helps to make your existing trading profitable (or more profitable) by helping to hold a trader accountable, helping the develop consistency, and helping to understand that real success doesnt have to mean millions of dollars overnight; but something that different from individual to individual, and for some maybe it is 500$ a month, for some 500$ a day...
there is always, always another trade!!
  • #64
  • Nov 19, 2017 2:15pm Nov 19, 2017 2:15pm
Quoting andoseg2
As the title said Would you share your knowledge with proof results (track records verified myfxbook) for an expensive price? You will give the "buyers" a 30 Days money back guarantee if he follow step by step all the knowledge he receive and does not achieve results. If one trade doesn't fit to the knowledge, the guaranty will be canceled.
This is why it won't work. Unless you give him a complete mechanical system with I will really doubt about the long term profitability, the discretionary part cannot be transferred to another trader. Therefore, you would certainly end up arguing with him about the validity of the trades.
If you really have a long term profitable track record, you should better search for investors. More money for you in the long term and less stress.
If you want to screw someone having just a short term profitable strategy with few trades or want to fake a track record, then, you would make much more money trying to sell it to some gullible guys, which you will always find.
Don't give up on your dreams. Keep sleeping.
  • #65
  • Nov 19, 2017 2:21pm Nov 19, 2017 2:21pm
IMHO-
I have brought video's from FOUS4 trading ($499) back in 2011 and one training set from Bulls on Wall street ($197). Both I have downloaded to my hard drive and watch every now & then. Both have helped me. So with all I have learned along the way have helped me become a better treader. I trade Daily Charts , non-forex using the ema(13) , ma(50).

Just depends what one calls an expensive price to buy.

The bottom is one should'nt trade real time until one can wash, rinse and repeat on a regular basis.
  • #66
  • Edited 4:26pm Nov 19, 2017 2:58pm | Edited 4:26pm
Btw forget what I said, I want to make money tradding damn it not by selling eas

and fu if you think it's impossible in the long term, you're the delusional, not me.
  • #67
  • Nov 19, 2017 10:02pm Nov 19, 2017 10:02pm
Quoting profitfarmer
{quote} some comments automatically convert the thread title into selling trading system... whereas the thread is titled: "Would you share your knowledge for an expensive price?" i believe often "knowledge" isnt really the system only; i think more traders fail on other, more emotional matters, or approach to money management, or perhaps even simply not realizing the real value of the trading they have, and in a constant search for more and better, even if they have all they would need to be successful already. i would approach selling/sharing 'knowledge'...
Yes. Finally. Someone who sees the difference between "knowledge" and "systems". Would you be a dear and explain this to dumbass_trader?

Thank you!
  • #68
  • Nov 19, 2017 10:37pm Nov 19, 2017 10:37pm
"if" you have "proof" of your "success" as a trader then you dont need to be funded/selling anything.. The hassle of giving signals, selling stuff, dealing with people, and a looong etc etc.. its not worth it

Just put a few trades and make all that money and more without the troubles

Plain and simple
  • #69
  • Nov 20, 2017 1:31am Nov 20, 2017 1:31am
Quoting havo
"if" you have "proof" of your "success" as a trader then you dont need to be funded/selling anything.. The hassle of giving signals, selling stuff, dealing with people, and a looong etc etc.. its not worth it Just put a few trades and make all that money and more without the troubles Plain and simple
What if you could sell something that isn't a hassle?
  • #70
  • Nov 20, 2017 3:40am Nov 20, 2017 3:40am
Hi all. I`ll try to explain my point of view, on the very good question, Andrew asked. I`m not realy a fan of public forums, but this tittle got my attention.

I can give someone the Trading System, wich is straight forward, simple to follow and all information on a Money Managment part. Till now everything seems ok. But here the story ends. We will open exact the same trade and from here on, I can`t control nothing at all. When the trade is open, the hardest part of trading kick in, here`s most of the traders fail. It is a Trade Managment.

I took someone money and now I`m in a position, where I can`t help? This is a scenario, wich I don`t like, that`s why my answer is no.
  • #71
  • Nov 20, 2017 5:49am Nov 20, 2017 5:49am
Quoting MoneyFocus
I could sell you 3 rules that a mentor shared with me for USD 3,000. These 3 rules have greatly enhanced my trading. I believe plenty of traders have seen my 556% return last month, and so far this month, I would like to think I'm faring not too bad. 3 days, up 47%.
purpose of rules, promises etc is to be broken. rules doesn't assume knowlidge. I do not think that neither you nor you mentor could invent any new rule that was not said in last two hundred (200) years. following rules is matter of discipline and patience and that cannot be purchased.
NO MATTER THE SITUATION,NEVER LET YOUR EMOTIONS OVERPOWER YOUR INTELLIGENCE
  • #72
  • Nov 20, 2017 6:04am Nov 20, 2017 6:04am
Quoting MoneyFocus
{quote} Yes. Finally. Someone who sees the difference between "knowledge" and "systems". Would you be a dear and explain this to dumbass_trader? Thank you!
hahaha, the 3 rules to success seller for 3000 usd is back.
i would not even believe you your are in win or that you have very high accounts like you fake here, because you write not like someone with trading background and experience. you simple sound like someone who has basic knowledge and want sell bullshit for money, but dont want come to commerce section and thatswhy always say same time " i dont want sell" and wait for pm same time. when you tell the people you want sell your 3 rules (whats bullshit from beginning) for 3000, that is selling, at least learn some definition. or for how much money will you share this to others, that you bough for 3000 from other funny coaches? 3000 for some rules, what you can read in internet on many places. maybe you bought the rules from some coache (but i dont think you was this crazy to pay for 3 simple rules 3000, its more a story to sell something, like all your TE look only like this, short acccounts with short win, acount away after very short time after big loss) or maybe not, but sharing it to other you call exactly what?

not without a reason your shown wins look so fakes and your text look like fake and all you wrote its same like all fakers wrote. and same time you have no really big account, what shows your wins are not there or you are even in big loss all together.
  • #73
  • Nov 20, 2017 6:17am Nov 20, 2017 6:17am
Quoting dukas_trader
{quote} hahaha, the 3 rules to success seller for 3000 usd is back. i would not even believe you your are in win or that you have very high accounts like you fake here, because you write not like someone with trading background and experience. you simple sound like someone who has basic knowledge and want sell bullshit for money, but dont want come to commerce section and thatswhy always say same time " i dont want sell" and wait for pm same time. when you tell the people you want sell your 3 rules (whats bullshit from beginning) for 3000, that...
Blah blah blah. Didn't even read your chit. Show us your Trade Explorer with your great account then. I will wait.
  • #74
  • Nov 20, 2017 6:23am Nov 20, 2017 6:23am
Quoting Trader-Waldo
{quote} purpose of rules, promises etc is to be broken. rules doesn't assume knowlidge. I do not think that neither you nor you mentor could invent any new rule that was not said in last two hundred (200) years. following rules is matter of discipline and patience and that cannot be purchased.
Are rules supposed to be broken or not...that's for another discussion, isn't it? And if one is discussing that, then said trader would be considerably good enough, so this whole discussion of buying of "knowledge" (I am putting quotation marks because the definition of knowledge in this thread is now debatable) becomes quite moot.

As for you saying following rules is a matter of discipline, I agree fully. However, you can't follow a rule that you do not know/do not know that it is critical. And with regards to the value of rules, well, it's quite a shame that us humans always don't value something we don't pay for. Paying for it would likely help enforce the rules. I don't know, just a thought.

Allow me to state this again. I am not here to sell signals, systems and training courses. Please do not PM me asking about that. Thank you.
  • #75
  • Nov 20, 2017 6:42am Nov 20, 2017 6:42am
Quoting Trader-Waldo
{quote} purpose of rules, promises etc is to be broken. rules doesn't assume knowlidge. I do not think that neither you nor you mentor could invent any new rule that was not said in last two hundred (200) years. following rules is matter of discipline and patience and that cannot be purchased.
lets just have some freedom to disagree with that statement a little. a different look for what a mentor may be. ( and no, the mentor is not the swiss army knife, the answer of all questions, or the 'holy grail' to make you a millionaire)

yes, discipline cant be purchased like a bowl of soup in a restaurant.
but a mother can teach her daughter how to make a bowl of soup, even a bowl of soup that maybe turn out more delicious than the mother's own, (or the one you can purchase in the restaurant.)
the interesting part, she didnt have to be a Michelin star chef to teach her daughter.

having all ingredients listed, and on the table not equal a great meal.
one thing of having a pinch of salt, another to understand the right concept about how to use it, and what a difference it can make a little more or less.
having someone else's tasting your food, overseeing the process will reinforce your belief to be able to do on your own after a while the right thing: a tasty meal.
there is always, always another trade!!
  • #76
  • Edited 7:39am Nov 20, 2017 7:21am | Edited 7:39am
Just to respond to this part:

Quoting profitfarmer
{quote} lets just have some freedom to disagree with that statement a little. a different look for what a mentor may be. ( and no, the mentor is not the swiss army knife, the answer of all questions, or the 'holy grail' to make you a millionaire) ....
I have no clue what moneyfocus learned from her/his mentor but s/he said and I was referring to it:
Quoting MoneyFocus
I could sell you 3 rules that a mentor shared with me for USD 3,000. ....
..and I stand by my comment regarding to it.
------
I agree with this:
Quoting MoneyFocus
.... And with regards to the value of rules, well, it's quite a shame that us humans always don't value something we don't pay for. Paying for it would likely help enforce the rules. I don't know, just a thought. ....
It is not my business if you are selling or not something. In million years I would not think to PM you...how did you get to that idea?
Quoting MoneyFocus
....Allow me to state this again. I am not here to sell signals, systems and training courses. Please do not PM me asking about that. Thank you.
------------
Sam Seiden in last 10 years hold free webinars about his patented system on FXStreet. If one listens s/he can learn everything, no indicator, rule based system.
another example is in FF, free system: H-L-HH-LL, no indicators, with defined Entry, TP, SL..
retail traders wants , something to pay to value it...magic, holy grail....
NO MATTER THE SITUATION,NEVER LET YOUR EMOTIONS OVERPOWER YOUR INTELLIGENCE
  • #77
  • Nov 20, 2017 8:16am Nov 20, 2017 8:16am
I think nearly everyone misses the point. Selling knowledge or a system or whatever is pointless to even discuss.

There is no mechanical system that works. The market has it covered in every way possible.

'Discretion' is the biggest word in trading. You see a set-up which in your eyes conforms to your plan or 'edge', but someone else privvy to that same information, may view it differently and using discretion, decide that it is not a valid set-up. He/she might be having an off day, or yourself! Emotions are a huge part of decision making. This also varies from person to person.

No two people view a chart in the same way. You can not by-pass good old fashioned experience. So stop looking for an answer. It is there in front of you. Study, study study. Trade, get knocked down, get back up... rinse, repeat... but everyone under-estimates the time that is required to gain the experience required.

You will dedicate a large chunk of your life before it gives payback.
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  • #78
  • Nov 20, 2017 8:19am Nov 20, 2017 8:19am
Quoting Trader-Waldo
Just to respond to this part: {quote} I have no clue what moneyfocus learned from her/his mentor but s/he said and I was referring to it: {quote} ..and I stand by my comment regarding to it. ------ I agree with this: {quote} It is not my business if you are selling or not something. In million years I would not think to PM you...how did you get to that idea? {quote} ------------ Sam Seiden in last 10 years hold free webinars about his patented...
The PM part wasn't directed at you, it was more for dumass_trader.
  • #79
  • Nov 20, 2017 8:20am Nov 20, 2017 8:20am
Quoting The Cableguy
I think nearly everyone misses the point. Selling knowledge or a system or whatever is pointless to even discuss. There is no mechanical system that works. The market has it covered in every way possible. 'Discretion' is the biggest word in trading. You see a set-up which in your eyes conforms to your plan or 'edge', but someone else privvy to that same information, may view it differently and using discretion, decide that it is not a valid set-up. He/she might be having an off day, or yourself! Emotions are a huge part of decision making. This...
Yes, that's why I said that selling mechanical systems do not work out.

But knowledge, how you get your numbers, those, are science and maths, not arts.

Ah, trading is science, math and arts. That's why it is intriguing and so fiercely debated.
  • #80
  • Nov 20, 2017 8:27am Nov 20, 2017 8:27am
If I shared my system with you... you would not be profitable.. I have put years into study.
Other peoples systems Are never profitable.. You can learn stuff by playing with other peoples systems.
Only real way to be profitable.. Is to create your own system, From things you have studied for years.
You can't share experience and the endless hours I've put in..
The only system that will work is one designed by and for yourself.
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