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  • #11,561
  • Nov 13, 2017 9:57pm Nov 13, 2017 9:57pm
Quoting Stu Effex
{quote} Doc lesson learned or not GAMOD obviously makes that decision based on what he/she believes to be true. I'd hate to think any of the regulars here have a hand in his/her culling just because they don't agree. Also it's one thing to have a different opinion and another to start mental assessments here because of non agreement. I know many times we all take the piss on a group basis IE: the libtards are crazy etc but personal assertions is just weak. The story goes that people said Tesla was mental too. Anyway this isn't directed to you personally,...

I agree Stu. I think within reason certain subjects can be discussed as the subject matter has a certain interest to me as well, but just as Devauxt once said, there are many words in the English language that surely we can be more creative in how we communicate our thoughts and ideas to one another. My point was that if one repeats the same patterns from the past, and experiences the same results, it's like Einsteins quote "doing the same thing over and over again and expecting a different result is called what? Besides posting pics of EB is almost for sure a dead give away to illicit unwanted scrutiny from moderators wanting to protect their clients from such controversial subjects. I think that is what Jmn was trying to articulate as well.

As far as the mental comment, there are two things that makes people resort to such name calling; fear of the unknown, and envy. Neither are mutually exclusive, but when such behavior is exhibited or surfaces is really comes down to what Clint Eastwood once said. "It is what people know about themselves that they fear the most!" I think you know what I am alluding to, as you been around awhile to know. Anyway, for the most part I agree with your sentiment.
  • #11,562
  • Nov 13, 2017 9:59pm Nov 13, 2017 9:59pm
https://youtu.be/KphWsnhZ4Ag

This guy was a dear old friend of mine who recently passed away. He was a brilliant man, and I have always enjoyed talking with him and a wide range of topics.

What do you think? A form of socialism or a great idea?
  • #11,563
  • Nov 13, 2017 10:01pm Nov 13, 2017 10:01pm
https://youtu.be/Ot1wztaqREw

Just another way to look at things. Mr Fresco was an original thinker and was passionate about his life's work. Great guy to know too who I had the pleasure in sharing of ideas with!
  • #11,564
  • Nov 14, 2017 12:25am Nov 14, 2017 12:25am
Quoting DrManhatten
As far as the mental comment, there are two things that makes people resort to such name calling; fear of the unknown, and envy. Neither are mutually exclusive, but when such behavior is exhibited or surfaces is really comes down to what Clint Eastwood once said. "It is what people know about themselves that they fear the most!" I think you know what I am alluding to, as you been around awhile to know. Anyway, for the most part I agree with your sentiment.
In all fairness, the context of the "mental assessment" that Stu was referring to, was JohnRambo alluding to that people who believe the earth is flat are somewhat mathematically challenged, for failing to understand some simple models and laws of Physics. That is not name calling or a difference in opinion.
  • #11,565
  • Nov 14, 2017 2:49am Nov 14, 2017 2:49am
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/41973119/why-do-people-still-think-the-earth-is-flat
  • #11,566
  • Nov 14, 2017 3:33am Nov 14, 2017 3:33am
Quoting GDR3k
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/41973119/why-do-people-still-think-the-earth-is-flat
wow, they made it to mainstream media..
Adriaaaaan
  • #11,567
  • Nov 14, 2017 3:50am Nov 14, 2017 3:50am
Quoting DrManhatten
{quote} I agree Stu. I think within reason certain subjects can be discussed as the subject matter has a certain interest to me as well, but just as Devauxt once said, there are many words in the English language that surely we can be more creative in how we communicate our thoughts and ideas to one another. My point was that if one repeats the same patterns from the past, and experiences the same results, it's like Einsteins quote "doing the same thing over and over again and expecting a different result is called what? Besides posting pics of...
Well this place is like the last room at the end of a very long corridor as I see it. The client's sheep are grazing in the latest whizz bang make a million a second threads mostly and think the EU thread alone has way more off topic and what could be deemed as inappropriate material, well used to anyway as haven't looked in in a while. I think here they (FF) pander to the whims of the passing bed wetters who simply don't like what they see. So it is my view that weak vindictive type individuals are the ones who instigate the process here. Then FF follow their rule book. As for the mental comment I see Jen understood from her recent posting what I was referring to and agree with Clint.
Once You See, You Can't Unsee But You Will Get The Odd Poke In The Eye
  • #11,568
  • Nov 14, 2017 4:20am Nov 14, 2017 4:20am
Quoting GDR3k
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/41973119/why-do-people-still-think-the-earth-is-flat
I think the guy in the photo is part of a group who are in it for the cash. I read the conference ticket prices were ridiculous and they now have a membership program. There is also the possibility that they are a controlled operation for the mainstream media to focus on and discredit every piece of information available and turn it into a circus. Ducking stools at the ready.
Once You See, You Can't Unsee But You Will Get The Odd Poke In The Eye
  • #11,569
  • Edited 7:50am Nov 14, 2017 4:59am | Edited 7:50am
Quoting DrManhatten
https://youtu.be/KphWsnhZ4Ag This guy was a dear old friend of mine who recently passed away. He was a brilliant man, and I have always enjoyed talking with him and a wide range of topics. What do you think? A form of socialism or a great idea?
Some nice ideas. Obviously the people who have nothing right now will have their hands up but as ever it will be the 1 % who have the final say, are they going to hand over the keys to the city ?

EDIT:

Have watched both vids now DOC, thanks very interesting guy.
Once You See, You Can't Unsee But You Will Get The Odd Poke In The Eye
  • #11,570
  • Nov 14, 2017 5:02am Nov 14, 2017 5:02am
Quoting Stu Effex
{quote} I think the guy in the photo is part of a group who are in it for the cash. I read the conference ticket prices were ridiculous and they now have a membership program. There is also the possibility that they are a controlled operation for the mainstream media to focus on and discredit every piece of information available and turn it into a circus. Ducking stools at the ready.
Sounds similar to the commercial section of this site, where sheep pay a fee to get access to a trading system and are told that's the only one which works.
  • #11,571
  • Nov 14, 2017 6:58am Nov 14, 2017 6:58am
Quoting Stu Effex
{quote} There is also the possibility that they are a controlled operation for the mainstream media to focus on and discredit every piece of information available and turn it into a circus. Ducking stools at the ready.
Well this is what I think flat earth is as a whole. When you see flat earthers talking about political affairs, the economy and war (which they most of the time they have little understanding of) it can discredit the real, hardworking, independent news sources out there as they get tarred with the same whackjob brush which is a huge shame.
Adriaaaaan
  • #11,572
  • Nov 14, 2017 7:44am Nov 14, 2017 7:44am
Quoting Johnramb0
{quote} Well this is what I think flat earth is as a whole. When you see flat earthers talking about political affairs, the economy and war (which they most of the time they have little understanding of) it can discredit the real, hardworking, independent news sources out there as they get tarred with the same whackjob brush which is a huge shame.
So which flat earthers talking about politics, economy and war are you referring to ?

Are you saying not having an understanding of those topics means you can't be an authority on other things ?

Real hardworking independent news sources is subjective, again because you disagree with some information does that automatically qualify it for the whackjob brush ?
Once You See, You Can't Unsee But You Will Get The Odd Poke In The Eye
  • #11,573
  • Nov 14, 2017 7:48am Nov 14, 2017 7:48am
Quoting GDR3k
{quote} Sounds similar to the commercial section of this site, where sheep pay a fee to get access to a trading system and are told that's the only one which works.
Yep it does. I don't need to have a subscription to endorse or validate my own thoughts.
There will always be sharks with an appetite.
Once You See, You Can't Unsee But You Will Get The Odd Poke In The Eye
  • #11,574
  • Nov 14, 2017 8:35am Nov 14, 2017 8:35am
Quoting Stu Effex
{quote} So which flat earthers talking about politics, economy and war are you referring to ? Are you saying not having an understanding of those topics means you can't be an authority on other things ? Real hardworking independent news sources is subjective, again because you disagree with some information does that automatically qualify it for the whackjob brush ?
Just go in to youtube and type flat earth and world politics, rothschilds, eastern conflicts etc, etc. Terrorism, false flags, crisis actors, you name it, they talk about it, and exaggerate it and add stuff to it, and omit parts from it, and it generally just becomes one huge Chinese whisper that is believed without question by the next flat earther along the chain.


There are many things in life that I don't agree with but I respect the information because I do not have conclusive evidence against it or to support my argument. Where as with the flat earth information every single piece of information put out there by these people I can straight away see the holes of misunderstanding and misinterpretation. And then there is also lots of science to back up the globe.

I mean let me give you an example, the guy holding the globe in the video below is a student of mechanics (watch from 26:30). The guy interviewing him is a flat earther. The flat earther is asking the question, 'why is it when planes circumnavigate from pole to the pole, how can they go round with the plane not flying upside down?' This isn't a joke, this guy is being deadly serious. Does that not strike you as a sign of someone who's lift doesn't quite go all the way to the top? Not in a mental health sense but in the sense of level of cognitive ability? He is clearly misinterpreting the information available to him.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eWgB-qwnoLQ&t=1501s
Adriaaaaan
  • #11,575
  • Nov 14, 2017 8:38am Nov 14, 2017 8:38am
Quoting DrManhatten
https://youtu.be/KphWsnhZ4Ag This guy was a dear old friend of mine who recently passed away. He was a brilliant man, and I have always enjoyed talking with him and a wide range of topics. What do you think? A form of socialism or a great idea?
Is the same project Zeitgeist the movie was speaking about?

Quoting Johnramb0
{quote} Just go in to youtube and type flat earth and world politics, rothschilds, eastern conflicts etc, etc. Terrorism, false flags, crisis actors, you name it, they talk about it, and exaggerate it and add stuff to it, and omit parts from it, and it generally just becomes one huge Chinese whisper that is believed without question by the next flat earther along the chain. There are many things in life that I don't agree with but I respect the information because I do not have conclusive evidence against it or to support my argument. Where as with...
I have had that same look as the engineer, it is one like, does this person have dementia, or am I being trolled? Not aimed at you Stu, some of your videos are actually fairly interesting enough to watch to the end.
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  • #11,576
  • Nov 14, 2017 9:03am Nov 14, 2017 9:03am
Quoting DrManhatten
https://youtu.be/KphWsnhZ4Ag This guy was a dear old friend of mine who recently passed away. He was a brilliant man, and I have always enjoyed talking with him and a wide range of topics. What do you think? A form of socialism or a great idea?
Only watched a few snippets as I don't have the time to sit still for that long. In the beginning of one video, he is talking about extrapolation, sort of. Extrapolation in scientific terms usually mean you have the full model to start with albeit on a different scale. That usually works very well and together with other evidence enable to form a picture of the universe, for example. I am sceptical though of anything less as then it is no more than guesswork. I'm not sure what that is leading to as I didn't really watch anymore.

The other video seems like some really scary dystopia! It is too idealistic. Humans are tribal and competitive by nature and working together with a borderless world is a crazy idea. I got visions of Hillary. However I can understand that by pooling resources we can save ourselves, but in reality, it couldn't and wouldn't happen. Does that mean we are doomed? Maybe. Stephen Hawking recently said that mankind will have to look to populate other planets if we are to survive as we only have about 600 years left of this one. I don't quite believe that, but there you go.
  • #11,577
  • Nov 14, 2017 9:13am Nov 14, 2017 9:13am
This is funny. Sorry yanks, we whupped your arse!
https://youtu.be/OkVpBeSDLzA
  • #11,578
  • Nov 14, 2017 9:30am Nov 14, 2017 9:30am
Quoting jen101
This is funny. Sorry yanks, we whupped your arse! https://youtu.be/OkVpBeSDLzA
SAS are badass.
Mark ... Everything you have been told is a LIE
  • #11,579
  • Nov 15, 2017 5:29am Nov 15, 2017 5:29am
Quoting Johnramb0
{quote} Just go in to youtube and type flat earth and world politics, rothschilds, eastern conflicts etc, etc. Terrorism, false flags, crisis actors, you name it, they talk about it, and exaggerate it and add stuff to it, and omit parts from it, and it generally just becomes one huge Chinese whisper that is believed without question by the next flat earther along the chain. There are many things in life that I don't agree with but I respect the information because I do not have conclusive evidence against it or to support my argument. Where as with...

I had a reply typed out for this but lost it. I don't blanket assess and think I know more than anyone else. Anway it's just opinions as ever. Didn't have time to watch whole vid but did watch the comment. I don't know but to me I think he was leading the lad on to think about how a plane fly's and it's reliance on the gyro. Again there are lots of opinions about civil and military aviation gyro's, I'm sure there is a guy out there who wrote to a manufacturer who confirmed that there was no other equipment in the gyro to account for curvature. So the argument then becomes the same one. Is level always relative to the earths core or as we see it level as in all on a plane. If a gyro can't compensate then level is level. The information surrounding this is sketchy and I do wonder why.
Once You See, You Can't Unsee But You Will Get The Odd Poke In The Eye
  • #11,580
  • Nov 15, 2017 5:55am Nov 15, 2017 5:55am
https://youtu.be/_2XOi-6-UHg

https://youtu.be/MdMaklWskyc
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