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  • #11,501
  • Nov 11, 2017 3:35am Nov 11, 2017 3:35am
Quoting jen101
{quote} Just because periods start at around 12-13, physiologically that does not mean a girl is ready to carry a baby. Different parts of the human body matures at different rates. Putting aside that they are mentally immature, there is a lot more to pregnancy than the ability to get pregnant. The blood volume increases by 50% by full term, joints soften, all the organs are shoved upwards into the chest cavity and the immune system is running at a minimal level so as not to reject the baby, as it does not have the mother's DNA. Our laws are to...
Nope a nine year old is certainly not ready, but the point is that what each society considers a woman is a political construct, that has in fact changed recently in our own society. Nature has a reason for everything, most of it is natural selection and adaptation to the the environment. I doubt that any woman is ready for a sexual relationship mentally before the age of 30. A few are not even at 40. But we are talking about politics and not morality or mental competence. And by the looks of the historical laws, most old men must have been dirty. Well, maybe old European men. Funny that you believe that our society puts children first, but then sends them off to war. And for what? Dirty old men. The earliest consent laws were enacted by the Brits in the eleventh century. There must have been a good reason for that.

As far as children starting their periods that early, that has to do with abnormal hormones in the "food" that we eat. Especially the dairy.
If you are good at something, never do it for free--Joker
  • #11,502
  • Nov 11, 2017 4:13am Nov 11, 2017 4:13am
Quoting jmn5611
{quote} Nope a nine year old is certainly not ready, but the point is that what each society considers a woman is a political construct, that has in fact changed recently in our own society. Nature has a reason for everything, most of it is natural selection and adaptation to the the environment. I doubt that any woman is ready for a sexual relationship mentally before the age of 30. A few are not even at 40. But we are talking about politics and not morality or mental competence. And by the looks of the historical laws, most old men must have been...
Consent isn’t about just being biologically ready to carry children, but being mentally ready to agree to something and understand the consequences, or disagree despite pressure to conform.

The age of consent is a political construct by law, and biology doesn’t move to beat of the political drum. In that regard I agree that the point at which any person is able to consent will differ between individuals, such that some are ready 15 whereas others not to 18. The law is not perfect and does not need to be either, it just has to be mostly right.

I have never known a person aged 12 that I would consider able to give consent. I think the idea that 12 year olds are cognitively identical to 16 year olds is a load of tosh, and counter to anything I know about people of those ages. I would like to see your sources on that please.
  • #11,503
  • Nov 11, 2017 4:34am Nov 11, 2017 4:34am
Quoting verv
{quote} Consent isn’t about just being biologically ready to carry children, but being mentally ready to agree to something and understand the consequences, or disagree despite pressure to conform. The age of consent is a political construct by law, and biology doesn’t move to beat of the political drum. In that regard I agree that the point at which any person is able to consent will differ between individuals, such that some are ready 15 whereas others not to 18. The law is not perfect and does not need to be either, it just has to be mostly right....
I did not say 12-16, I said 13-16, and here is ONE source, there are many.

https://www.google.com/search?client=opera&q=piaget+stages+of+development&sourceid=opera&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8

As far as consent goes how oh how do I wish that was policy. I know a lot of idiots and other mis creations walking around that would not be if the parents had to prove competency before they could give consent. Like I said in my prior post that I think 30 should be the minimum age of consent.
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  • #11,504
  • Nov 11, 2017 4:48am Nov 11, 2017 4:48am
Quoting jmn5611
{quote} I did not say 12-16, I said 13-16, and here is ONE source, there are many. https://www.google.com/search?client=opera&q=piaget+stages+of+development&sourceid=opera&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8 As far as consent goes how oh how do I wish that was policy. I know a lot of idiots and other mis creations walking around that would not be if the parents had to prove competency before they could give consent. Like I said in my prior post that I think 30 should be the minimum age of consent.
lol, come on 30 is ridiculous.

That link is really a link to nothing.

Anything I can find says that the brain is undergoing continuous change throughout your teens.

I think it is simply nonsense that a 13 and 16 are cognitively identical.
  • #11,505
  • Nov 11, 2017 4:58am Nov 11, 2017 4:58am
Quoting verv
{quote} lol, come on 30 is ridiculous. That link is really a link to nothing. Anything I can find says that the brain is undergoing continuous change throughout your teens. I think it is simply nonsense that a 13 and 16 are cognitively identical.
You are free of course to think whatever you but the science of early childhood development have found stages. While it is true that these stage blend, the level at which one stage begins to dominate the other is well established. Verv might think it is nonsense but behavioral scientists do not. I will side with the latter.
If you are good at something, never do it for free--Joker
  • #11,506
  • Nov 11, 2017 5:43am Nov 11, 2017 5:43am
I see Gam broke the same rules he tried to warn me about - thats a shame.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZRXGsPBUV5g
  • #11,507
  • Nov 11, 2017 6:00am Nov 11, 2017 6:00am
Quoting jmn5611
{quote} I don't think Twee got him. I think one of our senior lurkers got him.
And I know exactly which one:
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  • #11,508
  • Nov 11, 2017 6:08am Nov 11, 2017 6:08am
Quoting jmn5611
{quote} And by the looks of the historical laws, most old men must have been dirty.
Who follows the stupid rules hidden behind the "tradition" is the idiot himself and in addition he is also dangerous.
If the previous generation were stupid does not mean that we have to continue the same way.

https://www.voanews.com/a/united-nations-female-genital-mutilation-must-end/3708326.html
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  • #11,509
  • Edited 6:54am Nov 11, 2017 6:24am | Edited 6:54am
Quoting jmn5611
{quote} There isn't. Menarche has the transition from girl to womanhood for most of our history. My statement has some biological precedent. That is why the age of consent in some states is as young as 16, and U.S. federal law sets it at 12. And as late as 1880, 12 was the age of consent in the states as well. What is special about 12? Why did they pick 12? In case you may be a little challenged in biology it is usual age of Menarche in girls. So, no, stu cognitively there is no difference between 13 - 16. Cognitive and cultural bias has you around...
you must be a very spiritual person to change religion so what made you decide converting to Christianity was the right path in life for you?
  • #11,510
  • Nov 11, 2017 7:37am Nov 11, 2017 7:37am
Quoting StrongOnStab
{quote} Who follows the stupid rules hidden behind the "tradition" is the idiot himself and in addition he is also dangerous. If the previous generation were stupid does not mean that we have to continue the same way. https://www.voanews.com/a/united-nations-female-genital-mutilation-must-end/3708326.html {image}
I could just as easily argue that they are in a sovereign state with their own customs and traditions and that we are no position to judge them. If they are to change, it will not be the UN that does it. They have to do it.

Quoting Ross88
{quote} you must be a very spiritual person to change religion so what made you decide converting to Christianity was the right path in life for you?
If you study religions long enough, you will find that the differences in them are very small. I will leave you to find the similarities.

Quoting apipshort
{quote} And I know exactly which one:{image}
I completely missed the meaning of this post.
If you are good at something, never do it for free--Joker
  • #11,511
  • Nov 11, 2017 8:01am Nov 11, 2017 8:01am
Quoting jmn5611
{quote} Nope a nine year old is certainly not ready, but the point is that what each society considers a woman is a political construct, that has in fact changed recently in our own society. Nature has a reason for everything, most of it is natural selection and adaptation to the the environment. I doubt that any woman is ready for a sexual relationship mentally before the age of 30. A few are not even at 40. But we are talking about politics and not morality or mental competence. And by the looks of the historical laws, most old men must have been...
It's called living in a civilised society. You cannot compare the past to our society now - children went to work age 5 and had no education, was that right? It's a different world.

A 13 year old sneaking off with a boy her own age is very different to her going off with a grown man. Even a 16 year old! Regardless of laws, an impressionable 16 year old with a 60 year old dirty perv is just plain wrong!

Children aren't allowed to fight in wars. We don't send 16 year olds into war. They have to be 18.

The point is we all have a responsibility to look after our children when they are at a vulnerable age; despite looking mature, we know that are not. For the dirty old men who put their own perverted lusts first is simply abhorrent and unforgivable.
  • #11,512
  • Nov 11, 2017 8:23am Nov 11, 2017 8:23am
Quoting jmn5611
{quote} {quote} If you study religions long enough, you will find that the differences in them are very small. I will leave you to find the similarities. {quote} .
i think you are a dishonest person that will say almost anything in the spare of the moment if it allows you to claim to be right or have a deep understanding of a topic that's why in a discussion about Islam you claimed that your Dad is Muslim and in a discussion about WW2 you claimed your Mum is Jewish but you did both of these things whilst forgetting you had previously said you was a Christian you are a bad liar and i find it funny but pleases carry on why did you decide to convert to Christianity??
  • #11,513
  • Nov 11, 2017 8:53am Nov 11, 2017 8:53am
Quoting jen101
{quote} It's called living in a civilised society. You cannot compare the past to our society now - children went to work age 5 and had no education, was that right? It's a different world. A 13 year old sneaking off with a boy her own age is very different to her going off with a grown man. Even a 16 year old! Regardless of laws, an impressionable 16 year old with a 60 year old dirty perv is just plain wrong! Children aren't allowed to fight in wars. We don't send 16 year olds into war. They have to be 18. The point is we all have a responsibility...
So you think there is a cognitive difference between 16 and 18? Prove that. Otherwise, place it as your opinion and move forward. And speaking of vulnerable, that does not have an age bracket. One last thing Jen, define what "civilized" is.

Quoting Ross88
{quote} i think you are a dishonest person that will say almost anything in the spare of the moment if it allows you to claim to be right or have a deep understanding of a topic that's why in a discussion about Islam you claimed that your Dad is Muslim and in a discussion about WW2 you claimed your Mum is Jewish but you did both of these things whilst forgetting you had previously said you was a Christian you are a bad liar and i find it funny but pleases carry on why did you decide to convert to Christianity??
Dude, you cannot even spell half of the time. Are you drunk when you post here? Raise your standards if you want to be taken seriously.
If you are good at something, never do it for free--Joker
  • #11,514
  • Nov 11, 2017 8:58am Nov 11, 2017 8:58am
Quoting jmn5611
{quote} There isn't. Menarche has the transition from girl to womanhood for most of our history. My statement has some biological precedent. That is why the age of consent in some states is as young as 16, and U.S. federal law sets it at 12. And as late as 1880, 12 was the age of consent in the states as well. What is special about 12? Why did they pick 12? In case you may be a little challenged in biology it is usual age of Menarche in girls. So, no, stu cognitively there is no difference between 13 - 16. Cognitive and cultural bias has you around...
Listen to yourself again J. Just googl. Seriously do you think I want to start googling about whether 13-16 year olds are ready for the deed, just because you tell me some Fckd up so called scientist says there is no difference. I don't give a shit what scientist says I have my own daughters and I know the scientists are talking through their arse. Or is it perhaps because someone wants that to be a scientific study so they can justify their sick actions ? Just saying if you want to reply further your call but I won't be discussing this matter further and yes I still think it is exceptionally odd !!
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  • #11,515
  • Nov 11, 2017 9:07am Nov 11, 2017 9:07am
Quoting jmn5611
{quote} So you think there is a cognitive difference between 16 and 18? Prove that. Otherwise, place it as your opinion and move forward. And speaking of vulnerable, that does not have an age bracket. One last thing Jen, define what "civilized" is. {quote} Dude, you cannot even spell half of the time. Are you drunk when you post here? Raise your standards if you want to be taken seriously.
Our age of consent is 16. There is not too much between a 16 and 18 year old for many, but legally it is deemed that by age 18, providing they don't have learning difficulties, they are adult and able to make adult decisions. However, there is a HUGE difference both mentally and physically between 13 and 16, which was what you were talking about. Of course there are vulnerable people of all ages for all types of reasons, but if you do not consider ALL children are vulnerable, then that is pretty damn sick.

If as you say the age of consent in some states is 12, then America is a backward and uncivilised place. I cannot believe it is 12. So if it is 12, you would be happy to screw a 12 year old, because you won't be thrown in the slammer for it?
  • #11,516
  • Nov 11, 2017 9:15am Nov 11, 2017 9:15am
Quoting Stu Effex
{quote} Listen to yourself again J. Just googl. Seriously do you think I want to start googling about whether 13-16 year olds are ready for the deed, just because you tell me some Fckd up so called scientist says there is no difference. I don't give a shit what scientist says I have my own daughters and I know the scientists are talking through their arse. Or is it perhaps because someone wants that to be a scientific study so they can justify their sick actions ? Just saying if you want to reply further your call but I won't be discussing this...
Good. Bottom line, you have no facts, no studies, just opinions. I admire your candor. Next subject.

Quoting jen101
{quote} Our age of consent is 16. There is not too much between a 16 and 18 year old for many, but legally it is deemed that by age 18, providing they don't have learning difficulties, they are adult and able to make adult decisions. However, there is a HUGE difference both mentally and physically between 13 and 16, which was what you were talking about. Of course there are vulnerable people of all ages for all types of reasons, but if you do not consider ALL children are vulnerable, then that is pretty damn sick. If as you say the age of consent...
You did not offer your definition of civilization. Nor did you define the definition of "child". I know many children who are well over 40.

And no, I would not dream of getting involved with anyone under 30, because their capacity for non emotional rational thought is impaired before that age. And even at that age I would have to see clear signs of consistent logical behavior, like knowing what science is, before I would get involved.

And, by the way, scientists say that there is no significant difference between 13-16, or 16-18 for that matter.
If you are good at something, never do it for free--Joker
  • #11,517
  • Edited 4:36pm Nov 11, 2017 2:21pm | Edited 4:36pm
Quoting jmn5611
You did not offer your definition of civilization. Nor did you define the definition of "child". I know many children who are well over 40. And no, I would not dream of getting involved with anyone under 30, because their capacity for non emotional rational thought is impaired before that age. And even at that age I would have to see clear signs of consistent logical behavior, like knowing what science is, before I would get involved. And, by the way, scientists say that there is no significant difference between 13-16, or 16-18 for that matter....
I did not ask whether you would get involved with a child. I asked if you would screw a child, a 13 year old, if the law allowed you to do so with no consequences.

Ross is under 30. Born 88. So I guess you consider him incapable of non emotional rational thought.

A civilised society has law and order to protect the weak and vulnerable. The opposite to anarchy. Screwing 13 to 16 year olds is just wrong and it is right the law deals with it heavily. If the scientists said what you quoted then they are wrong. I was a teenage girl once and had a lot of teenage friends. I know what teenage girls are like. There is a massive difference between 13 and 16, less so between 16 and 18. If a 15 year old, dressed up and looked 20, came on to you, would you react? That's what my friends and I did at 15 for a laugh. Obviously we didn't mean it. We pretended to be older, but we were immature, because it was a dumb thing to do. It is your responsibility as an adult to read that! The onus is on the adult. If you fail, you will get banged up. Tread carefully.
  • #11,518
  • Edited 5:19pm Nov 11, 2017 4:46pm | Edited 5:19pm
Quoting jen101
{quote} A civilised society has law and order to protect the weak and vulnerable. The opposite to anarchy. Screwing 13 to 16 year olds is just wrong and it is right the law deals with it heavily.
The strength of a society is shown in how strong (or protected) is the weakest among them.
  • #11,519
  • Nov 11, 2017 6:07pm Nov 11, 2017 6:07pm
Quoting jen101
{quote} I did not ask whether you would get involved with a child. I asked if you would screw a child, a 13 year old, if the law allowed you to do so with no consequences. Ross is under 30. Born 88. So I guess you consider him incapable of non emotional rational thought. A civilised society has law and order to protect the weak and vulnerable. The opposite to anarchy. Screwing 13 to 16 year olds is just wrong and it is right the law deals with it heavily. If the scientists said what you quoted then they are wrong. I was a teenage girl once...
For those of us with a moral compass, getting involved and screwing are one and the same. Of course not all people are that way, hence the term, causal sex. So no, a woman who does not show clear cut mental maturity is not a candidate, regardless of age. As for Ross being under 30, yep, that sort of makes the case!
If you are good at something, never do it for free--Joker
  • #11,520
  • Nov 11, 2017 6:35pm Nov 11, 2017 6:35pm
Not going back to find it, BUT how the hell did this topic get started?!?

And I thought I was the one without a life.
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