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  • #11,101
  • Nov 2, 2017 2:40am Nov 2, 2017 2:40am
Early morning chill out

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TOWes33wnX8
  • #11,102
  • Nov 2, 2017 2:49am Nov 2, 2017 2:49am
https://youtu.be/V55vmBtXuAE
Once You See, You Can't Unsee But You Will Get The Odd Poke In The Eye
  • #11,103
  • Nov 2, 2017 3:01am Nov 2, 2017 3:01am
Quoting GDR3k
Early morning chill out https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TOWes33wnX8
Nice. This flat earth stuff is hurting my head.
  • #11,104
  • Nov 2, 2017 4:52am Nov 2, 2017 4:52am
It seems today that Western societies are painfully re-learning things that were common knowledge a few generations ago. The old axiom, fences make good neighbors, was replaced with “diversity is our strength.” Every time a swarthy fellow blows up in the public square, we inch a bit closer to the realization that diversity is a nightmare.

https://www.theburningplatform.com/2017/11/01/a-foundation-of-nonsense/#more-162577
  • #11,105
  • Nov 2, 2017 5:11am Nov 2, 2017 5:11am
Quoting Stu Effex
{quote} Why give us composite images of the earth ?
I haven't researched the reason but off the top of my head:

The iss, or satellites that they use for taking hd pictures of the earth are very close to earth. If you imagine a football was earth, the distance satelittes are from the surface of the football would be about a centimetre if not less.. One picture cannot capture the whole of the earth. They probably have to take something like 100 pictures and piece them together.

Also earth is cloudy most of the time. There isn't going to be a lot of visibility of all continents in one shot. So again they are pieced together in photo shop.
Adriaaaaan
  • #11,106
  • Nov 2, 2017 9:14am Nov 2, 2017 9:14am
Quoting Stu Effex
{quote} Ok if you are close to something, emotion has it's own truth but outside of that if people unconnected see issues and highlight them, they are in the public domain for scrutiny, there is no element of being disrespectful. Watched both segments you mentioned and in all honesty it does not prove anything. The testimony of the old guy engineer might well be truthful and on a need to know basis it is not impossible to think he wasn't in the loop is it ? This would be worse as if that guy was genuine he has lived with those thoughts to the end....
So you have no evidence that NASA is a fake. You didn't see it, so it is not real. The shuttles never took off. We orbited a snow globe you think. You did not go to the moon, so we did not do it. The planets can be seen with a telescope and they are round, but the earth is flat. In fact every other celestial object is round, but the earth is flat. Do you think telescopes are real Stu? I would love an explanation to that one. You are a very good troll Stu. I am one that simply cannot stand against a hurricane of evidence.

Quoting Stu Effex
https://youtu.be/V55vmBtXuAE
An old lady I knew once said, if you lie down with dogs, you get up with fleas.
If you are good at something, never do it for free--Joker
  • #11,107
  • Nov 2, 2017 9:26am Nov 2, 2017 9:26am
Twitter admits censorship and that Russia bots are negligible.

https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2017/11/01/twitter-testifies-on-2016-analysis-clinton-used-twitter-more-but-trump-much-more-effective/#more-140669
Mark ... Everything you have been told is a LIE
  • #11,108
  • Nov 2, 2017 9:27am Nov 2, 2017 9:27am
Quoting jen101
{quote} Nice. This flat earth stuff is hurting my head.
They drag you down to their level then beat you with experience.
Mark ... Everything you have been told is a LIE
  • #11,109
  • Nov 2, 2017 9:55am Nov 2, 2017 9:55am
I have been unable to post URL's on Twitter that relate to stories from the anonymous website. No big deal but total overkill by twitter
  • #11,110
  • Nov 2, 2017 10:06am Nov 2, 2017 10:06am
Quoting spzd
{quote} They drag you down to their level then beat you with experience.
Haha! I can't argue with these old gits.
  • #11,111
  • Nov 2, 2017 10:29am Nov 2, 2017 10:29am
Quoting Johnramb0
{quote} I haven't researched the reason but off the top of my head: The iss, or satellites that they use for taking hd pictures of the earth are very close to earth. If you imagine a football was earth, the distance satelittes are from the surface of the football would be about a centimetre if not less.. One picture cannot capture the whole of the earth. They probably have to take something like 100 pictures and piece them together. Also earth is cloudy most of the time. There isn't going to be a lot of visibility of all continents in one shot....
So when we watch the RED Bull edge of space jump which was 128,000ft about 24 miles you can clearly see the a large portion of the earth about a quarter to a third and you reckon at 250 miles for the ISS it's too close to fit it all in, so they join all the snaps together. OK.
The early images of the earth from the moon have been in question for some time with some reports saying there is evidence of editing as a square patch was found around the early images.
When you look at the ISS live feed () they have no trouble showing us a fair portion from outside the ISS but can never mange to get the tilt or lens right to capture the whole thing ? You seriously believe that ? How easy would it be on the live feed to 360 degree the camera ? Come on !!
Once You See, You Can't Unsee But You Will Get The Odd Poke In The Eye
  • #11,112
  • Nov 2, 2017 10:41am Nov 2, 2017 10:41am
Quoting jmn5611
{quote} So you have no evidence that NASA is a fake. You didn't see it, so it is not real. The shuttles never took off. We orbited a snow globe you think. You did not go to the moon, so we did not do it. The planets can be seen with a telescope and they are round, but the earth is flat. In fact every other celestial object is round, but the earth is flat. Do you think telescopes are real Stu? I would love an explanation to that one. You are a very good troll Stu. I am one that simply cannot stand against a hurricane of evidence. {quote} An old lady...

J please don't start the smart arse stuff, snow globe shite talk. I have questioned aspects what's the issue? Questioning automatically qualifies me for lala land does it ? I didn't say shuttles didn't take off and you know it. And as you can say because I never went to the moon so it ain't real and you thinking you watched it doesn't make it real either, does it ? Do you think father Christmas is real J ? The condescending attitude is a little silly don't you think ? The hurricane of evidence is being slowly dissected and parts of it are looking very shaky.

And that old lady probably didn't know about fresh garlic and lemon juice, had dogs 40 plus years and never had that issue.
Once You See, You Can't Unsee But You Will Get The Odd Poke In The Eye
  • #11,113
  • Nov 2, 2017 11:25am Nov 2, 2017 11:25am
Quoting Stu Effex
{quote} J please don't start the smart arse stuff, snow globe shite talk. I have questioned aspects what's the issue? Questioning automatically qualifies me for lala land does it ? I didn't say shuttles didn't take off and you know it. And as you can say because I never went to the moon so it ain't real and you thinking you watched it doesn't make it real either, does it ? Do you think father Christmas is real J ? The condescending attitude is a little silly don't you think ? The hurricane of evidence is being slowly dissected and parts of it are...
Okay then, you really think this flat earth stuff is real. Apologies for the post it was designed for effect. Wanted to see if you were really trolling or you had some emotional capital invested in your ideas. Now that I know the latter is the truth I am wondering what makes you think so much science is so wrong? Questioning is fine of course but you are disputing settled science. We are having talks that are only possible here in the RH. In terra firma you would either refrain from such convo or you would most likely considered a nutter. Again, apologies. I did mean to provoke you. But if we are going to live on the edge, we have to take some chances. I hope you will not feel any lasting anger.

BTW, yes, father Christmas is real. We make it so.
If you are good at something, never do it for free--Joker
  • #11,114
  • Nov 2, 2017 11:48am Nov 2, 2017 11:48am
Quoting Stu Effex
{quote} So when we watch the RED Bull edge of space jump which was 128,000ft about 24 miles you can clearly see the a large portion of the earth about a quarter to a third and you reckon at 250 miles for the ISS it's too close to fit it all in, so they join all the snaps together. OK. The early images of the earth from the moon have been in question for some time with some reports saying there is evidence of editing as a square patch was found around the early images. When you look at the ISS live feed () they have no trouble...
stu.

here is a to scale image of how far satellites including iss are from earth.
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The pic from iss where you can see a fair portion of the earth is a picture taken at an angle to earth. Kind of like if it was to take a camera and hold it a few inches off the floor in my living room and point it at the floor, then I would only get a tiny portion of my floor, however if I tilted the camera anagle I could potentially get most of the living room floor into the shot, however I wouldn't be able to accurately capture the rug in the centre or the magazines laid out in the corner. To get accurate shots of earth the camera needs to be perpendicular to earth.

Regarding the red bull thing, the curve is massively exaggerated because of the fish eye lense used. Take a fisheye lese camera and record in your room, the video will show a circular shaped room.
Adriaaaaan
  • #11,115
  • Nov 2, 2017 11:57am Nov 2, 2017 11:57am
Quoting jmn5611
{quote} Okay then, you really think this flat earth stuff is real. Apologies for the post it was designed for effect. Wanted to see if you were really trolling or you had some emotional capital invested in your ideas. Now that I know the latter is the truth I am wondering what makes you think so much science is so wrong? Questioning is fine of course but you are disputing settled science. We are having talks that are only possible here in the RH. In terra firma you would either refrain from such convo or you would most likely considered a nutter....
J I didn't have anger or emotional capital invested, I'm not provoked but don't see the point in any exchange if it just comes down to your crackers and everything does what it says on the tin, as we both know there have been plenty of things which have come back to bite history on the arse. I said really early on that relying on the science to explain everything is just relying on what we've been taught.
The only thing in all this that I have always truly not believed is Oceans Bend the other stuff is observations that others have made and I can see why it would cause scepticism. People are finding anomalies all the time. This is a scientific agency there should be no ambiguity. Look at this vid these are flaws people have picked out along the way. So do we have a go at the people for picking out obvious boo boos or think ahem NASA WTF are you up to ? For the record I've had the same talks on terra firma.

https://youtu.be/yIonflXVZa8
Once You See, You Can't Unsee But You Will Get The Odd Poke In The Eye
  • #11,116
  • Nov 2, 2017 1:58pm Nov 2, 2017 1:58pm
NASA has been since its inception money launderer.
Not my money and not my problem.
  • #11,117
  • Nov 2, 2017 2:49pm Nov 2, 2017 2:49pm
Hey Stu, do you want to attend a lecture on the cosmos? Not far from you, I believe.
https://www.eventbrite.co.uk/e/instant-expert-relativity-and-beyond-tickets-36721314440?aff=nsnewreg&utm_medium=NLC&cmpid=NLC%7CNSNS%7C2017-0211-GLOBAL&utm_source=NSNS
  • #11,118
  • Nov 2, 2017 3:28pm Nov 2, 2017 3:28pm
Quoting Stu Effex
{quote} J I didn't have anger or emotional capital invested, I'm not provoked but don't see the point in any exchange if it just comes down to your crackers and everything does what it says on the tin, as we both know there have been plenty of things which have come back to bite history on the arse. I said really early on that relying on the science to explain everything is just relying on what we've been taught. The only thing in all this that I have always truly not believed is Oceans Bend the other stuff is observations that others have made...
There is no doubt in my mind that nasa staged some of their claims. The whole space 'race' and missions to moon are like the Olympics. They are a show of national strength and are used to intimidate other nations. This is why Russia were doping during the China Olympics (as were probably every other country, unfortunately Russia were the ones to get caught)

The other factor to consider is funding. If A space agency like NASA fail in hitting a goal or target, or are over running on a project they might fabricate their accomplishments or just go ahead and take a risk as we saw with the challenger. If NASA doesn't come up with the goods there is risk of funding cuts. I myself have doubts about the moon landings, but it doesn't mean everything is fake, you just have to put yourself in their shoes and think about things.

Regarding the 'harnesses' that are in that video. The areas labelled as having harnesses attached show creases that look un natural which is why whoever made the video is calling harnesses. But so if you look at all other areas of their clothing, they have weird creases also. This si what happens in zero gravity.

There are videos on youtube of astronauts doing tours of the space station un cut, floating around going from section to section of the iss for over 4 minutes. How the hell would this be possible with harnesses when you are going through multiple doors in different directions?
Adriaaaaan
  • #11,119
  • Nov 2, 2017 4:49pm Nov 2, 2017 4:49pm
Quoting Johnramb0
{quote} stu. here is a to scale image of how far satellites including iss are from earth. {image} The pic from iss where you can see a fair portion of the earth is a picture taken at an angle to earth. Kind of like if it was to take a camera and hold it a few inches off the floor in my living room and point it at the floor, then I would only get a tiny portion of my floor, however if I tilted the camera anagle I could potentially get most of the living room floor into the shot, however I wouldn't be able to accurately capture the rug in the centre...
WITH ALL DUE RESPECT Rambo I understand the deal re: fish eye lens etc. It is the tool of choice for globe earth. You obviously believe the technology isn't there to capture a full on honest photo and I respect that but it is my belief that they can't. It is so easy to do, no one seems to mention the fact that they could do a 360 degree pan on the live ISS feed ? If that doesn't pull at your curiosity then time to drop the discussion. We are in the territory of "Oh yes it is" and "Oh no it isn't" and the truth of the matter is neither have 100% proof. I have my gut instinct and you have yours. I trust mine in all weathers even trading.
Once You See, You Can't Unsee But You Will Get The Odd Poke In The Eye
  • #11,120
  • Nov 2, 2017 5:08pm Nov 2, 2017 5:08pm
Quoting Johnramb0
{quote} There is no doubt in my mind that nasa staged some of their claims. The whole space 'race' and missions to moon are like the Olympics. They are a show of national strength and are used to intimidate other nations. This is why Russia were doping during the China Olympics (as were probably every other country, unfortunately Russia were the ones to get caught) The other factor to consider is funding. If A space agency like NASA fail in hitting a goal or target, or are over running on a project they might fabricate their accomplishments or just...
Look mate I've raised issues or rather I have brought attention to issues others have raised plus a couple of my own. I have no axe to grind. In some ways it makes no odds to me but I hate to think there is a possibility of the largest fraud ever being sold to our kids and grandkids. You might look at all the vids available and decide on balance you will stick with the party line and that is fine by me. I on the other hand have found some issues and more often than not once a small lie becomes truth I have found that more follow. CGI/film makers contracted to NASA. Green screen.Not panning 360 degrees etc etc if you choose to think for an establishment of such standing that all of the aforementioned is acceptable and normal, that's fine but quite simply I don't regardless of the fact that is likely to bring labels of nutter and such like.
Once You See, You Can't Unsee But You Will Get The Odd Poke In The Eye
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