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  • #11,081
  • Nov 1, 2017 2:34am Nov 1, 2017 2:34am
Quoting Stu Effex
{quote} People waking up to the reality ? I mean they had to kill off JR and that was a soap opera too.
So, they would simulate a failure to accelerate the awakening? So when the astronauts walked into the challenger, they exited through a secret compartment in the cargo bay maybe? Maybe it was a fake movie set of them entering the shuttle?
If you are good at something, never do it for free--Joker
  • #11,082
  • Nov 1, 2017 3:02am Nov 1, 2017 3:02am
Quoting jmn5611
{quote} So, they would simulate a failure to accelerate the awakening? So when the astronauts walked into the challenger, they exited through a secret compartment in the cargo bay maybe? Maybe it was a fake movie set of them entering the shuttle?
J I have no idea as they persisted for some time after but didn't really pay much attention as I always thought it was hogwash.
Money and power is generally at the root of much of what happens.
Maybe that particular crew wanted out because they didn't want to carry on with the deception ? To save face NASA kills them off and a handsome payoff, they can't talk to anyone can they because they were killed on take off.
Or it really is a coincidence that the entire crew have body doubles still running around... I don't know but it stinks.
Once You See, You Can't Unsee But You Will Get The Odd Poke In The Eye
  • #11,083
  • Nov 1, 2017 3:07am Nov 1, 2017 3:07am
Quoting Stu Effex
{quote} How do you mean that fits ? How much elevation of the tower do you think should be visible at that distance ?
It's all approximate. The amount of refraction will vary.
  • #11,084
  • Nov 1, 2017 3:17am Nov 1, 2017 3:17am
Quoting jmn5611
{quote} So, they would simulate a failure to accelerate the awakening? So when the astronauts walked into the challenger, they exited through a secret compartment in the cargo bay maybe? Maybe it was a fake movie set of them entering the shuttle?
I would have loved to have seen a shuttle launch. Still, Cape Canaveral is on my to go list. Can't believe I have done all the Disney's but not that!

It is all very easy to call everything a fraud and to criticise every explanation offered. It is not so easy to come up with the answers. Just because the answers may be incomplete as they often are, it doesn't mean the complete opposite is the truth. Science doesn't have the answer to everything, but what it does present is based on hard evidence. It is up to us to find further answers to either support or dispute.
  • #11,085
  • Nov 1, 2017 3:37am Nov 1, 2017 3:37am
Quoting Stu Effex
Some loon drove truck into people in NY https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/live/2017/oct/31/new-york-vehicle-manhattan-bike-path-attack-fears-live-updates
Did it happen near UNHQ?
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  • #11,086
  • Nov 1, 2017 3:39am Nov 1, 2017 3:39am
Quoting jen101
{quote} It's all approximate. The amount of refraction will vary.

Ok so the curvature over that distance should leave about 10 foot exposed. If I get a nice clear day will try and scoot out and get a photo. I can see most of it.
Once You See, You Can't Unsee But You Will Get The Odd Poke In The Eye
  • #11,087
  • Nov 1, 2017 3:42am Nov 1, 2017 3:42am
Quoting Gamod
{quote} Did it happen near UNHQ?
Don't know I've only looked at the headlines so far.
Once You See, You Can't Unsee But You Will Get The Odd Poke In The Eye
  • #11,088
  • Nov 1, 2017 4:11am Nov 1, 2017 4:11am
Quoting Stu Effex
{quote} Ok so the curvature over that distance should leave about 10 foot exposed. If I get a nice clear day will try and scoot out and get a photo. I can see most of it.
A nice big telephoto lens is on my Christmas list!
  • #11,089
  • Nov 1, 2017 4:52am Nov 1, 2017 4:52am
Quoting Stu Effex
{quote} Ok so the curvature over that distance should leave about 10 foot exposed. If I get a nice clear day will try and scoot out and get a photo. I can see most of it.
Here's one you might be interested in stu:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MoK2BKj7QYk
Adriaaaaan
  • #11,090
  • Nov 1, 2017 6:58am Nov 1, 2017 6:58am
Remember ''the calm before the storm''
Call it Pizzagate Pedogate whatever but that is the storm Trump was referring to - that is the Swamp

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yZ1gs_ugX7Y&feature=youtu.be
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  • #11,091
  • Nov 1, 2017 7:42am Nov 1, 2017 7:42am
Quoting Stu Effex
{quote} Don't know I've only looked at the headlines so far.
Both in Manhatten - close enough but I think there will be something bigger around end Nov
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  • #11,092
  • Edited 8:35am Nov 1, 2017 7:52am | Edited 8:35am
Quoting Stu Effex
{quote} J I have no idea as they persisted for some time after but didn't really pay much attention as I always thought it was hogwash. Money and power is generally at the root of much of what happens. Maybe that particular crew wanted out because they didn't want to carry on with the deception ? To save face NASA kills them off and a handsome payoff, they can't talk to anyone can they because they were killed on take off. Or it really is a coincidence that the entire crew have body doubles still running around... I don't know but it stinks.
Yeah Stu, it stinks. And you are right. NASA killed them off, but not for the reasons you think. They had a schedule to keep.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fMuCaEP4eJs

Quoting jmn5611
{quote} Yeah Stu, it stinks. And you are right. NASA killed them off, but not for the reasons you think. They had a schedule to keep. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fMuCaEP4eJs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2FehGJQlOf0

If you want a real conspiracy, watch the second video up until minute eight, and then ask yourself, what does it mean to be an astronaut?
If you are good at something, never do it for free--Joker
  • #11,093
  • Nov 1, 2017 12:58pm Nov 1, 2017 12:58pm
Quoting Johnramb0
{quote} Here's one you might be interested in stu: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MoK2BKj7QYk

The Who - I Can See for Miles

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BKGRijV8U3s
  • #11,094
  • Nov 1, 2017 3:59pm Nov 1, 2017 3:59pm
I would be really grateful if someone can explain how this works.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9uersWDp-3c

And this

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xRUM8yMaI8k
In detegere possumus omnes mortui sunt
  • #11,095
  • Nov 1, 2017 6:15pm Nov 1, 2017 6:15pm
The NYC terrorist yesterday had entered the US thru the Diversity Lottery Visa programme.
That was a bill sponsored and supported by Chuck Schumer under GW.
Chucks family were from Ukraine(or is it Khazaria).
Is this another example of the common denominator?
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  • #11,096
  • Nov 1, 2017 9:24pm Nov 1, 2017 9:24pm
Quoting jmn5611
{quote} Yeah Stu, it stinks. And you are right. NASA killed them off, but not for the reasons you think. They had a schedule to keep. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fMuCaEP4eJs {quote} https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2FehGJQlOf0 If you want a real conspiracy, watch the second video up until minute eight, and then ask yourself, what does it mean to be an astronaut?
Did my post stop this whole fake NASA bs?

I hope so.
If you are good at something, never do it for free--Joker
  • #11,097
  • Nov 2, 2017 1:05am Nov 2, 2017 1:05am
Quoting jmn5611
{quote} Did my post stop this whole fake NASA bs? I hope so.
Haven't watched them yet. But before I do as you are adamant it is all BS, it's not just the issue with that particular point about the live (dead) astronauts, there is so much stuff circulating it's hard to keep up, they think they have all the bases covered but there are holes being picked all the time.
Once You See, You Can't Unsee But You Will Get The Odd Poke In The Eye
  • #11,098
  • Nov 2, 2017 1:13am Nov 2, 2017 1:13am
Quoting Johnramb0
{quote} Here's one you might be interested in stu: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MoK2BKj7QYk
Yes it is interesting. And this image fits a sphere model. Although somewhere I have seen an experiment which shows something similar that explains it. Which one is correct though will always probably be in contention. The vids I watched were along the lines of diminishing perspective, will have a look in history but may have dumped the cache not sure.

This whole topic is similar to religion/god etc. Some swear by it others think it's a fairy tale.
Once You See, You Can't Unsee But You Will Get The Odd Poke In The Eye
  • #11,099
  • Nov 2, 2017 1:14am Nov 2, 2017 1:14am
Quoting Stu Effex
{quote} Haven't watched them yet. But before I do as you are adamant it is all BS, it's not just the issue with that particular point about the live (dead) astronauts, there is so much stuff circulating it's hard to keep up, they think they have all the bases covered but there are holes being picked all the time.
Fair statement, Stu, I am a little close to this one. It comes out.

But watch the 2 min, and the first 8 minutes of the next. My mind can be opened if you have an argument that NASA is some kind of fake.
If you are good at something, never do it for free--Joker
  • #11,100
  • Nov 2, 2017 2:14am Nov 2, 2017 2:14am
Quoting jmn5611
{quote} Fair statement, Stu, I am a little close to this one. It comes out. But watch the 2 min, and the first 8 minutes of the next. My mind can be opened if you have an argument that NASA is some kind of fake.
Ok if you are close to something, emotion has it's own truth but outside of that if people unconnected see issues and highlight them, they are in the public domain for scrutiny, there is no element of being disrespectful.

Watched both segments you mentioned and in all honesty it does not prove anything. The testimony of the old guy engineer might well be truthful and on a need to know basis it is not impossible to think he wasn't in the loop is it ? This would be worse as if that guy was genuine he has lived with those thoughts to the end.

In the first eight minutes of next vid I don't see any solid evidence which says "nothing to see here".

There are things NASA could do for transparency. When you see these "Live" links with some guy outside of the ISS carrying out repairs why don't they turn through 360 degrees, that would shut a lot of sceptics up. I think they can't because in any film set there is always the 4th wall.

Why give us composite images of the earth ? why haven't they got thousands of genuine photographs. I have posted interview with graphics guys employed by NASA to produce the blue marble ball, this is shown to our kids as real, what message is that giving ? Just give us genuine photographs. Instead they give us images of what they want us to believe it looks like. Don't you think that is very controlling ? Not a very scientific approach is it. These 2 points alone would go some way to silence scepticism IMO and I would have thought so easy to do but they don't. So the question remains is it because they can't ? And by can't I mean they are not were they say they are.
Once You See, You Can't Unsee But You Will Get The Odd Poke In The Eye
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