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  • #11,041
  • Oct 31, 2017 7:49am Oct 31, 2017 7:49am
Quoting AlexC
Different version. Flat Earth Disproved Thousands of Years Ago https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vzVWIKmi6Rw&t=13s
This experiment can duplicated right there in the UK Stu. Have you ever thought about that?
If you are good at something, never do it for free--Joker
  • #11,042
  • Oct 31, 2017 8:27am Oct 31, 2017 8:27am
Quoting kprsa
{quote} So the reason why we cannot see further than the horizon is the "weather"? Is this true also when there are no clouds anywhere? Assuming that you mean "atmosphere", do you see Ireland from where you live on a day with perfect weather then? Would one see Norway from South Shields? Why not? k
I can see France from a P&O ferry docked at Dover. The shortest distance across the Channel is 33.3 km, from Dover to Cap Gris Nez.
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I would be about 10-15m up. Using that formula, I should only be able to see 11.2-13.8km. To see across the Channel, I should be 100m up and the P&O boats certainly aren't that high.
  • #11,043
  • Oct 31, 2017 8:32am Oct 31, 2017 8:32am
It's also easily calculated using Pythagoras. R is to the centre of the earth.
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  • #11,044
  • Oct 31, 2017 8:36am Oct 31, 2017 8:36am
Quoting jen101
{quote} I can see France from a P&O ferry docked at Dover. The shortest distance across the Channel is 33.3 km, from Dover to Cap Gris Nez. {image} I would be about 10-15m up. Using that formula, I should only be able to see 11.2-13.8km. To see across the Channel, I should be 100m up and the P&O boats certainly aren't that high.
Yes but what you see of france from that distance is just the hill tops /mountains or whatever. You cannot see the shoreline or the beach etc as tht is obstructed by the curvature

So yes you can see the france fromm 33km away but you cannot see the full coastline until you hit the 11 to 13 km mark
Adriaaaaan
  • #11,045
  • Oct 31, 2017 8:38am Oct 31, 2017 8:38am
Quoting Johnramb0
{quote} Yes but what you see of france from that distance is just the hill tops /mountains or whatever. You cannot see the shoreline or the beach etc as tht is obstructed by the curvature
No hills in Calais or along that coastline. I can see the coastline. All very flat. The sum of the height that I am at, above sea level and whatever land I can see in France, above sea level, is a lot less than 100m.
  • #11,046
  • Oct 31, 2017 8:42am Oct 31, 2017 8:42am
Quoting kprsa
Just for fun, this is how much physicists believe in what they're doing is true. Yours truly here in the Faraday cage, attacked by the lightning from the Tesla coil. https://www.facebook.com/krunoslav.prsa/videos/vb.602906358/10154419075231359/?type=2&theater But yeah, I know you'll say it's all a sham. Cheers, k
Being in a Faraday cage would keep you almost 100% safe as it is designed to dissipate the electricity I do believe. About the only thing that could go wrong would be if there was some construction issue.
Mark ... Everything you have been told is a LIE
  • #11,047
  • Oct 31, 2017 8:45am Oct 31, 2017 8:45am
Quoting spzd
{quote} Being in a Faraday cage would keep you almost 100% safe as it is designed to dissipate the electricity I do believe. About the only thing that could go wrong would be if there was some construction issue.
Would you go in a shark cage? I wouldn't.
  • #11,048
  • Oct 31, 2017 8:45am Oct 31, 2017 8:45am
Quoting jen101
{quote} No hills in Calais or along that coastline. I can see the coastline. All very flat.
The shortest distance between uk and france leads to escalles which is to the left of Calais and is hilly - more than 100m above sea level
Adriaaaaan
  • #11,049
  • Oct 31, 2017 8:48am Oct 31, 2017 8:48am
Quoting Stu Effex
{quote} Jen who is "they're" ? So is anything outside of the expected norms trolling ? A Rabbit hole is there to be explored isn't it ?
Me thinks Stu is trolling everybody with all this flat earth stuff. Just a theory of mine (Conspiracy?!? Nah, more than just I would need to be involved.)
Mark ... Everything you have been told is a LIE
  • #11,050
  • Oct 31, 2017 8:51am Oct 31, 2017 8:51am
Quoting jen101
{quote} Would you go in a shark cage? I wouldn't.
Depends on who built it. Made in China. Nope think I'll pass on this one. Was Ming the supervisor. Definitely have to skip it.
Mark ... Everything you have been told is a LIE
  • #11,051
  • Oct 31, 2017 8:55am Oct 31, 2017 8:55am
Quoting spzd
{quote} Me thinks Stu is trolling everybody with all this flat earth stuff. Just a theory of mine (Conspiracy?!? Nah, more than just I would need to be involved.)
Me too. Stu is trolling. But it is fun! And we all get to get involved. He is like our own personal Art Bell!
If you are good at something, never do it for free--Joker
  • #11,052
  • Oct 31, 2017 9:37am Oct 31, 2017 9:37am
Can someone wake me up plse, I must be dreaming. If the earth really is a spinning globe can you stop it so I can jump off.

The British government is considering offering local authority houses to Daesh fighters returning back to the UK from the Middle East war zone

https://sputniknews.com/europe/201710311058686597-daesh-uk-terrorism-policy/
In detegere possumus omnes mortui sunt
  • #11,053
  • Edited 10:09am Oct 31, 2017 9:51am | Edited 10:09am
Quoting jen101
{quote} I can see France from a P&O ferry docked at Dover. The shortest distance across the Channel is 33.3 km, from Dover to Cap Gris Nez. {image} I would be about 10-15m up. Using that formula, I should only be able to see 11.2-13.8km. To see across the Channel, I should be 100m up and the P&O boats certainly aren't that high.
True.
However, in addition to that, the atmosphere “bends” (i.e. refracts) light. You see sunrise and sunset earlier and later respectively because of this effect for example. This effect in principle depends on the density of air, so on temperature and atmospheric pressure. For standard atmospheric conditions the result is given here.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Horizon#Effect_of_atmospheric_refraction
so instead of 3.57, the factor changes to 3.86.

The derivation for this (seems correct) is here:
http://mathscinotes.com/2013/08/distance-to-the-horizon-assuming-refraction/

That wouldn't account for seeing across the Channel or Stu's observation. However one also couldn't make those observations under standard conditions.
From wikipedia link above: “This correction can be, and often is, applied as a fairly good approximation when conditions are close to standard. When conditions are unusual, this approximation fails. Refraction is strongly affected by temperature gradients, which can vary considerably from day to day, especially over water. In extreme cases, usually in springtime, when warm air overlies cold water, refraction can allow light to follow the Earth's surface for hundreds of kilometres. Opposite conditions occur, for example, in deserts, where the surface is very hot, so hot, low-density air is below cooler air. This causes light to be refracted upward, causing mirage (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mirage) effects that make the concept of the horizon somewhat meaningless. Calculated values for the effects of refraction under unusual conditions are therefore only approximate.[5] (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Horizon#cite_note-ATYoungDistToHoriz-5)”

Cheers,
k
  • #11,054
  • Oct 31, 2017 10:10am Oct 31, 2017 10:10am
Quoting Johnramb0
{quote} The shortest distance between uk and france leads to escalles which is to the left of Calais and is hilly - more than 100m above sea level
Ahh! That explains it.
  • #11,055
  • Oct 31, 2017 10:19am Oct 31, 2017 10:19am
Quoting Gamod
Can someone wake me up plse, I must be dreaming. If the earth really is a spinning globe can you stop it so I can jump off. The British government is considering offering local authority houses to Daesh fighters returning back to the UK from the Middle East war zone https://sputniknews.com/europe/201710311058686597-daesh-uk-terrorism-policy/
If the earth suddenly stopped spinning... no, we wouldn't all fall off , but there would be tremendous winds as for a while as the atmosphere would still be going round. The winds would be at 1100mph, which I think would be a rather severe hurricane. Half the globe would remain in perpetual daylight and the other half night, so life may be somewhat difficult.

Anyway, I thought any ISIS wouldn't be allowed back in? Was there not talk that they would just be killed on foreign soil by the SAS?
  • #11,056
  • Oct 31, 2017 12:40pm Oct 31, 2017 12:40pm
Quoting kprsa
{quote} So the reason why we cannot see further than the horizon is the "weather"? Is this true also when there are no clouds anywhere? Assuming that you mean "atmosphere", do you see Ireland from where you live on a day with perfect weather then? Would one see Norway from South Shields? Why not? k
We've done this before. You know what I'm talking about. It's beyond the range of the human eye. Then when we refer to images which are brought into view by zoom that should be beyond the curve the answer is refraction.
No I've never seen Ireland personally but I have seen The Isle Of Man and as I say Blackpool Tower which is 56 miles away, depends on the weather for visibility.
Once You See, You Can't Unsee But You Will Get The Odd Poke In The Eye
  • #11,057
  • Oct 31, 2017 12:50pm Oct 31, 2017 12:50pm
Quoting jmn5611
{quote} My immediate instinct in the age of photoshop and advanced CGI, how do we know the fakes aren't fakes?
I would say not for the most part J as it is individuals picking holes in NASA et al own released footage. I have put vids up where you clearly see guys on the ISS on harness ? And also someone tugging at one of the other guys harness when he was in danger of scooting off out of control. There is footage of Nasa control room with Tim Peake in background on a blue screen background. Why the need if they are where they say they are ? Why are all the photo's of the earth CGI ? Why not real ?
Once You See, You Can't Unsee But You Will Get The Odd Poke In The Eye
  • #11,058
  • Oct 31, 2017 1:05pm Oct 31, 2017 1:05pm
Quoting Johnramb0
{quote} I have answers lol. My questions were rhetorical. Scuba gear? You mean a gas canister... That's all you need to claim scuba gear right? Do you not think it's likely that astronauts may need gas canisters?
Go to about 9:40 the astronaut has nothing of colour in his hands, what appears ? It's piss poor editing that's what.

https://youtu.be/bg0HvfNiuYM
Once You See, You Can't Unsee But You Will Get The Odd Poke In The Eye
  • #11,059
  • Oct 31, 2017 1:10pm Oct 31, 2017 1:10pm
Quoting jmn5611
{quote} It's the size of the conspiracy that I take issue with. I know human nature very well. Do you know how many people would have to be in on all this fake NASA, no moonwalk, no ISS, no orbiting space shuttle? We are talking thousands of people over decades of time. I am open to any kind of debate, one thing I like about the RH. Jen will not censor. I admire that. Back to the Occam's razor argument. Do you really think that many people can keep that many secrets for that long?
Come on J... how many people were in on JFK ? People in controls rooms looking at monitors means what exactly, it means they all think it's real ? They don't have to be in on it. How about all those lookalikes from the space shuttle that all died but are nw alive and well, just a coincidence and two of them have came out and said they are twins.... pure comedy !
Once You See, You Can't Unsee But You Will Get The Odd Poke In The Eye
  • #11,060
  • Oct 31, 2017 1:48pm Oct 31, 2017 1:48pm
Quoting Johnramb0
{quote} Tell me where you are viewing black pool tower, what you see and from and at what height and I will work it out for you with maths and observation.
I've post that information here already.
Once You See, You Can't Unsee But You Will Get The Odd Poke In The Eye
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