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  • #11,021
  • Oct 31, 2017 4:31am Oct 31, 2017 4:31am
Quoting Mingary
{quote} https://www.logicallyfallacious.com/tools/lp/Bo/LogicalFallacies/56/Argument-from-Ignorance
Oh yes the wise one visits. So you will explain it to me logically then why they have to have subterfuge ? Why they have scuba divers in space ? Come on Ming spit it out...
Once You See, You Can't Unsee But You Will Get The Odd Poke In The Eye
  • #11,022
  • Oct 31, 2017 4:42am Oct 31, 2017 4:42am
Quoting jen101
{quote} Ok Stu, I can't answer that. Maybe someone else can...

So can you meet me half way ? Do you think it is odd and should be looked into ? Or just ignore ?

If we ignore and say "nothing to see here Nasa jolly good eggs and would not do such a thing" are we then being sheeple ?

If I can see Blackpool tower and I should not be able to should I question it ? I've grown up on a ball but it does not support the logic of being able to see that bloody tower no matter what Newtonian physics etc etc tells me... oh and Looming


EDIT: Move on Smikey no CoC tickets to write out today !!
Once You See, You Can't Unsee But You Will Get The Odd Poke In The Eye
  • #11,023
  • Oct 31, 2017 4:53am Oct 31, 2017 4:53am
Quoting Stu Effex
{quote} I've made logical points. I've just asked JMN a question, can you explain the logic I refer to in that question ? Ie: why the need for subterfuge ? Astronauts in space with scuba divers on standby, water particles coming out of Daves suit ... So Dave appears to be losing bodily fluids which would mean his space suit which maintains an artificial atmosphere was compromised and yet he was not sucked inside out by the vacuum? Ok I'm trolling if nobody thinks this is odd ? Or am I the one being trolled and all of this is normal and nothing...
Nah, I'd think those are just pockets of remaining air (trapped around his suit etc.) liquefying because of low temperature and drifting away. Air liquifies at ~200 degrees below zero.
Scuba equipment would produce much more bubbles afaik.

Cheers,
k
  • #11,024
  • Oct 31, 2017 4:56am Oct 31, 2017 4:56am
Quoting Stu Effex
{quote} So can you meet me half way ? Do you think it is odd and should be looked into ? Or just ignore ? If we ignore and say "nothing to see here Nasa jolly good eggs and would not do such a thing" are we then being sheeple ? If I can see Blackpool tower and I should not be able to should I question it ? I've grown up on a ball but it does not support the logic of being able to see that bloody tower no matter what Newtonian physics etc etc tells me... oh and Looming
First, read this (https://www.forexfactory.com/showthread.php?p=10418463#post10418463) very carefully and try to understand it. Take your time.

Then, after you've understood it, read this (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atmospheric_refraction).

Cheers,
k
  • #11,025
  • Oct 31, 2017 4:57am Oct 31, 2017 4:57am
Quoting Stu Effex
{quote} So can you meet me half way ? Do you think it is odd and should be looked into ? Or just ignore ? If we ignore and say "nothing to see here Nasa jolly good eggs and would not do such a thing" are we then being sheeple ? If I can see Blackpool tower and I should not be able to should I question it ? I've grown up on a ball but it does not support the logic of being able to see that bloody tower no matter what Newtonian physics etc etc tells me... oh and Looming EDIT: Move on Smikey no CoC tickets to write...
Did you know that Tony Blair was charged for cottaging?
http://www.ukcolumn.org/oldforums/index.php?p=/discussion/3800/is-this-true-anthony-charles-lynton-blair

http://www.whale.to/c/tony_blair4.html
  • #11,026
  • Oct 31, 2017 5:02am Oct 31, 2017 5:02am
Quoting Stu Effex
{quote} Oh yes the wise one visits. So you will explain it to me logically then why they have to have subterfuge ? Why they have scuba divers in space ? Come on Ming spit it out...
they don't its just that flat earth idiots like to jump to conclusions that suit their agenda.

i.e. the bubbles you talk about in the video (which are probably dust behind lens or something very simple) , they are floating sideways as well as up and down. Show me an air bubble in water that goes any way other than directly up.

The equinox proves the earth is a sphere because the sun rising or setting at the exact same time in countries in the same timezone requires a a convex surface, it cannot occur on a flat surface, geometry simply will not allow it.

The videos on youtube of experiments performed by flat earthers ie laser tests are not accurate. If you can't fathom why the earth is spherical then you will not have the capacity to perform an accurate scientific test. The laser test on the lake - did the person performing this test find out what time exactly the water began to freeze at? Did he check to see where the tide was on the lake at that point? Did he check to see what effect the wind was having on the lake at the point of freezing? All these things can make a big diffference to the test results.

If the earth is flat, how is it in the southern hemisphere, the stars spin in a different direction to what they do in the northern hemisphere? Show me how that works on a flat earth please because the only shape that it makes any and perfect sense on is a sphere.
Adriaaaaan
  • #11,027
  • Oct 31, 2017 5:03am Oct 31, 2017 5:03am
Just for fun, this is how much physicists believe in what they're doing is true.
Yours truly here in the Faraday cage, attacked by the lightning from the Tesla coil.

https://www.facebook.com/krunoslav.prsa/videos/vb.602906358/10154419075231359/?type=2&theater

But yeah, I know you'll say it's all a sham.

Cheers,
k
  • #11,028
  • Oct 31, 2017 5:09am Oct 31, 2017 5:09am
Quoting kprsa
{quote} First, read this (https://www.forexfactory.com/showthread.php?p=10418463#post10418463) very carefully and try to understand it. Take your time. Then, after you've understood it, read this (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atmospheric_refraction). Cheers, k

Yes fine you can keep quoting this same stuff and if you believe refraction can explain viewing something hundreds of feet beyond the curve fine, I don't .
Once You See, You Can't Unsee But You Will Get The Odd Poke In The Eye
  • #11,029
  • Oct 31, 2017 5:09am Oct 31, 2017 5:09am
Quoting jen101
{quote} Did you know that Tony Blair was charged for cottaging? http://www.ukcolumn.org/oldforums/index.php?p=/discussion/3800/is-this-true-anthony-charles-lynton-blair http://www.whale.to/c/tony_blair4.html

Yes I posted about about 2 months ago here
Once You See, You Can't Unsee But You Will Get The Odd Poke In The Eye
  • #11,030
  • Oct 31, 2017 5:11am Oct 31, 2017 5:11am
Quoting kprsa
{quote} Nah, I'd think those are just pockets of remaining air (trapped around his suit etc.) liquefying because of low temperature and drifting away. Air liquifies at ~200 degrees below zero. Scuba equipment would produce much more bubbles afaik. Cheers, k
So the diver with a scuba tank on near the air lock ? He/she accidentally swam into the shot.
Once You See, You Can't Unsee But You Will Get The Odd Poke In The Eye
  • #11,031
  • Oct 31, 2017 5:15am Oct 31, 2017 5:15am
Quoting Stu Effex
{quote} Yes fine you can keep quoting this same stuff and if you believe refraction can explain viewing something hundreds of feet beyond the curve fine, I don't .
I think you're getting ahead of yourself again, and I think that is your problem.
Please read about refraction only after you've understood the first argument. Once you've understood it, it will be clear that it is true.

k
  • #11,032
  • Oct 31, 2017 5:19am Oct 31, 2017 5:19am
Quoting Johnramb0
{quote} they don't its just that flat earth idiots like to jump to conclusions that suit their agenda. i.e. the bubbles you talk about in the video (which are probably dust behind lens or something very simple) , they are floating sideways as well as up and down. Show me an air bubble in water that goes any way other than directly up. The equinox proves the earth is a sphere because the sun rising or setting at the exact same time in countries in the same timezone requires a a convex surface, it cannot occur on a flat surface, geometry simply will...

Hey Rambo you want answers go and look for them. I've said the issues I have, simple. You can clearly see guy with scuba gearon in the air lock ? That is visible in video this is stuff we can all see, yes ? Should it be there ?
Once You See, You Can't Unsee But You Will Get The Odd Poke In The Eye
  • #11,033
  • Oct 31, 2017 5:31am Oct 31, 2017 5:31am
Quoting kprsa
{quote} I think you're getting ahead of yourself again, and I think that is your problem. Please read about refraction only after you've understood the first argument. Once you've understood it, it will be clear that it is true. k

And I said this before you can't be serious. Weather will obviously obscure anything over that kind of distance.

EDIT: And by the way I don't have a problem
Once You See, You Can't Unsee But You Will Get The Odd Poke In The Eye
  • #11,034
  • Oct 31, 2017 5:39am Oct 31, 2017 5:39am
Quoting Stu Effex
{quote} And I said this before you can't be serious. Weather will obviously obscure anything over that kind of distance.
So the reason why we cannot see further than the horizon is the "weather"? Is this true also when there are no clouds anywhere? Assuming that you mean "atmosphere", do you see Ireland from where you live on a day with perfect weather then? Would one see Norway from South Shields? Why not?

k
  • #11,035
  • Oct 31, 2017 6:54am Oct 31, 2017 6:54am
More white privilege

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  • #11,036
  • Oct 31, 2017 7:10am Oct 31, 2017 7:10am
Quoting Stu Effex
{quote} So as a person who has the ability to think what conclusion should one make if you see evidence of faked video, astronauts on green screens, ISS dwellers on zip wires, so called 24 hour time lapse with hours removed ? Do we just assume there is a perfectly good reason why they have to fake things and we should not question why is there a need to do this if it is all true ?
My immediate instinct in the age of photoshop and advanced CGI, how do we know the fakes aren't fakes?
If you are good at something, never do it for free--Joker
  • #11,037
  • Oct 31, 2017 7:14am Oct 31, 2017 7:14am
Quoting Stu Effex
{quote} Hey Rambo you want answers go and look for them. I've said the issues I have, simple. You can clearly see guy with scuba gearon in the air lock ? That is visible in video this is stuff we can all see, yes ? Should it be there ?
I have answers lol. My questions were rhetorical.

Scuba gear? You mean a gas canister... That's all you need to claim scuba gear right? Do you not think it's likely that astronauts may need gas canisters?
Adriaaaaan
  • #11,038
  • Oct 31, 2017 7:20am Oct 31, 2017 7:20am
Quoting Stu Effex
{quote} I've made logical points. I've just asked JMN a question, can you explain the logic I refer to in that question ? Ie: why the need for subterfuge ? Astronauts in space with scuba divers on standby, water particles coming out of Daves suit ... So Dave appears to be losing bodily fluids which would mean his space suit which maintains an artificial atmosphere was compromised and yet he was not sucked inside out by the vacuum? Ok I'm trolling if nobody thinks this is odd ? Or am I the one being trolled and all of this is normal and nothing...
It's the size of the conspiracy that I take issue with. I know human nature very well. Do you know how many people would have to be in on all this fake NASA, no moonwalk, no ISS, no orbiting space shuttle? We are talking thousands of people over decades of time. I am open to any kind of debate, one thing I like about the RH. Jen will not censor. I admire that.

Back to the Occam's razor argument. Do you really think that many people can keep that many secrets for that long?
If you are good at something, never do it for free--Joker
  • #11,039
  • Oct 31, 2017 7:29am Oct 31, 2017 7:29am
Quoting Stu Effex
{quote} If I can see Blackpool tower and I should not be able to should I question it ? I've grown up on a ball but it does not support the logic of being able to see that bloody tower no matter what Newtonian physics etc etc tells me... oh and Looming EDIT: Move on Smikey no CoC tickets to write out today !!
Tell me where you are viewing black pool tower, what you see and from and at what height and I will work it out for you with maths and observation.
Adriaaaaan
  • #11,040
  • Oct 31, 2017 7:45am Oct 31, 2017 7:45am
Quoting DrManhatten
Quoting jmn5611
{quote} There are no ballistics experts who can agree that a man with a bolt action rifle could get off the shots to take him out. That's why the conspiracy exists, this was state actors at the state level taking out a head of state. They would do better just admitting this and moving on. After the Shah of Iran and Pinochet, who will be surprised? {quote} Totally agree. Like I said reasonable people can arrive at the same conclusions. Funny I was just thinking about Pinochet and the Nixon admin. Again exploring motives on
...
Stay safe on Mars Dr. Manhattan....
If you are good at something, never do it for free--Joker
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