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  • #10,721
  • Oct 23, 2017 9:00am Oct 23, 2017 9:00am
Quoting jarhead
{quote} Hey J -- good seeing you. When one of us old farts disappears for awhile -- rest of us old farts starts wondering if ya still on the right side of the grass!
Yeah I ran off and got hitched. Great gal. Hope it does not matter if she is a Filipina.

Quoting jarhead
{quote} The racist tag is getting old so the race baiting industry had to come up with something new to keep things stirred up. White privilege and white supremacist now the buzz words.
Overreach. Not even reasonable blacks are buying what the MSM is selling. Learned a lot while I was overseas, don't ever, ever, ever, trust the media about anything.
If you are good at something, never do it for free--Joker
  • #10,722
  • Oct 23, 2017 9:08am Oct 23, 2017 9:08am
[quote=jmn5611;10417182]{quote} Yeah I ran off and got hitched. Great gal. Hope it does not matter if she is a Filipina. {quote}

Congratulations!! U prolly like me. Married way over ya paygrade!!
Defending Truth, Capitalism and the US Constitution
  • #10,723
  • Oct 23, 2017 9:32am Oct 23, 2017 9:32am
Quoting Stu Effex
{quote} I'm not nor ever have been advocating flat earth I 've made statements about things I have an issues with. I'm not taking the piss. I mentioned yesterday about transferring Ordnance Bench Marks ? No takers. I maintain water is always level. I think what you see at the very end of that vid is the limit of the zoom and distortion. I have spent a fair amount of time on the sea and understand that some objects just shouldn't be visible but they are. You can find them if you want to research it. And as for discrediting myself, I'm sure there...
You have not come out and directly said that you believe the earth is flat, but if you believe that water does not follow the curvature of the earth, then there really is no other explanation than a flat earth.

I'm confused about your interpretation of the ship disappearing over the horizon in your video, from my point of view it is clear the body of the ship disappears down (as it is viewed) rather than become so small that it cannot be seen.
  • #10,724
  • Oct 23, 2017 9:48am Oct 23, 2017 9:48am
Quoting jmn5611
{quote} Yeah I ran off and got hitched. Great gal. Hope it does not matter if she is a Filipina. {quote} Overreach. Not even reasonable blacks are buying what the MSM is selling. Learned a lot while I was overseas, don't ever, ever, ever, trust the media about anything.
Congrats J
Once You See, You Can't Unsee But You Will Get The Odd Poke In The Eye
  • #10,725
  • Edited 10:31am Oct 23, 2017 10:20am | Edited 10:31am
Quoting verv
{quote} You have not come out and directly said that you believe the earth is flat, but if you believe that water does not follow the curvature of the earth, then there really is no other explanation than a flat earth. I'm confused about your interpretation of the ship disappearing over the horizon in your video, from my point of view it is clear the body of the ship disappears down (as it is viewed) rather than become so small that it cannot be seen.
You said something similar before and I said then if that makes me a flat earther then so be it. I know everyone likes a good label. I'll add to the list, Right Wing, Nazi, Anti Semite, Racist, Flat Earth Neanderthal.

Ok depending on dimensions there are a few unknowns in that vid but if it was sailing away form the viewer, the stern would appear to rise on a curve. Will attempt quick sketch. So as vessel goes over horizon if water curved the vessel itself would not stay on the same horizontal plane. There is a point were the bow would dip down and stern rise. That doesn't happen, it just gets so far it becomes distorted and mast easier to make out against sky line IMO. It was way beyond our visual horizon don't forget and I would wager that was more than 20 miles, judging by distance of objects I know and have plotted at sea. Even assuming an elevation of the viewer at 20' (Looked closer to sea level than that ) and a distance of 20 miles that vessel would have to have an above water height of over 140' just to see the very top of mast. Next time I'm out I will get some photo's of what is visible and show chart position. Although will likely be next year now. I don't own a boat any more accept for a kayak for a spot of coast hugging.
Edit: Just to add Queen Mary 2 is about 230' above water line just for comparison of vessel size, sorry minus draught of 30' about 200' feet above water line
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  • #10,727
  • Oct 23, 2017 12:46pm Oct 23, 2017 12:46pm
Quoting Gamod
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Australia Orthodox Jewish community investigated by authorities for aiding in the escape of child molester sought by police

https://theuglytruth.wordpress.com/2017/10/23/australia-orthodox-jewish-community-investigated-by-authorities-for-aiding-in-the-escape-of-child-molester-sought-by-police/
In detegere possumus omnes mortui sunt
  • #10,728
  • Oct 23, 2017 1:11pm Oct 23, 2017 1:11pm
Quoting Stu Effex
{quote} You said something similar before and I said then if that makes me a flat earther then so be it. I know everyone likes a good label. I'll add to the list, Right Wing, Nazi, Anti Semite, Racist, Flat Earth Neanderthal. Ok depending on dimensions there are a few unknowns in that vid but if it was sailing away form the viewer, the stern would appear to rise on a curve. Will attempt quick sketch. So as vessel goes over horizon if water curved the vessel itself would not stay on the same horizontal plane. There is a point were the bow would dip...
That’s not the Queen Mary 2 in that video, but assume it is and let’s try and calculate it’s tilt when it’s goes out of view.

According to this calculator : https://dizzib.github.io/earth/curve-calc/?d0=10&h0=2&unit=metric

...the top part of the 230 foot ship would be visible for 21 miles.

The earth is roughly a sphere = 360°
The earth’s circumference is = 25,000 miles
Therefore 1 mile = 0.014° of tilt.
At 21 miles that is 0.3° of tilt.

So the boat is fractionally tilted from the observers POV, however I doubt the human eye could even pick up a 0.3° tilt 21 miles out.

Your diagram is wrong because the scale is massively out.
  • #10,729
  • Oct 23, 2017 1:24pm Oct 23, 2017 1:24pm
What a fantastic woman with a sad story:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/41724404/the-103-year-old-caring-for-her-terminally-ill-son
  • #10,730
  • Oct 23, 2017 1:56pm Oct 23, 2017 1:56pm
Quoting verv
{quote} That’s not the Queen Mary 2 in that video, but assume it is and let’s try and calculate it’s tilt when it’s goes out of view. According to this calculator : https://dizzib.github.io/earth/curve-calc/?d0=10&h0=2&unit=metric ...the top part of the 230 foot ship would be visible for 21 miles. The earth is roughly a sphere = 360° The earth’s circumference is = 25,000 miles Therefore 1 mile = 0.014° of tilt. At 21 miles that is 0.3° of tilt. So the boat is fractionally tilted from the observers POV, however I doubt the human eye could...
That's my point it's nowhere near the size of the Mary and yes tilt is small but supposedly at the horizon it is already at the extreme point so will appear more pronounced. Watch a ship roll into a wave in a rough see and transfer that image to it going over the curve.

Ha ha your kidding right ? My diagram out of scale it was knocked up in 20 seconds to try and explain.

Also if you use the Mary as example it has a 30' draught so 200' above the water line roughly. Which is still a lot larger than the vessel in that video. Regardless of tilt at a distance of 20 miles and 20' elevation it should be well below the curve by 200 feet or so
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  • #10,731
  • Oct 23, 2017 2:10pm Oct 23, 2017 2:10pm
I'm off to polish my Tin Foil hat.......

https://youtu.be/SFsHSHE-iJQ
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  • #10,732
  • Oct 23, 2017 3:08pm Oct 23, 2017 3:08pm
Quoting Stu Effex
{quote} That's my point it's nowhere near the size of the Mary and yes tilt is small but supposedly at the horizon it is already at the extreme point so will appear more pronounced. Watch a ship roll into a wave in a rough see and transfer that image to it going over the curve. Ha ha your kidding right ? My diagram out of scale it was knocked up in 20 seconds to try and explain. Also if you use the Mary as example it has a 30' draught so 200' above the water line roughly. Which is still a lot larger than the vessel in that video. Regardless...

of course your diagram is not to scale lol, I’m referring to your concept of scale by expecting to see the stern rise. You wouldn’t notice a 0.3° tilt

and I used the Queen mary in that calculation, and the 230 feet that you suggested. That’s what the calculation was based on.
  • #10,733
  • Oct 23, 2017 3:20pm Oct 23, 2017 3:20pm
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Mark ... Everything you have been told is a LIE
  • #10,734
  • Oct 23, 2017 4:08pm Oct 23, 2017 4:08pm
Quoting verv
{quote} That’s what the calculation was based on.
While on the right side of the discussion, you are overcomplicating the argument: That ship would never leave sight if it wasn’t for the Earth’s curvature.

It would just become smaller and would rise up visually towards the next land where it was heading (and that land would normally be visible). The Earth would be flat like a stretched out map. The limits of what would be visible would be defined either by obstacles (mountains, clouds...) or by the end of the Earth’s surface. With a telescope, one should be able to see Hawaii from the US west coast, for example.

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  • #10,735
  • Oct 23, 2017 6:34pm Oct 23, 2017 6:34pm
Different version. Flat Earth Disproved Thousands of Years Ago
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vzVWIKmi6Rw&t=13s
  • #10,736
  • Oct 23, 2017 8:03pm Oct 23, 2017 8:03pm
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-hsbc-usa-crime/u-s-jury-finds-ex-hsbc-executive-guilty-of-fraud-in-3-5-billion-currency-trade-idUSKBN1CS295
  • #10,737
  • Oct 23, 2017 10:59pm Oct 23, 2017 10:59pm
[quote=jarhead;10417205]
Quoting jmn5611
{quote} Yeah I ran off and got hitched. Great gal. Hope it does not matter if she is a Filipina. {quote} Congratulations!! U prolly like me. Married way over ya paygrade!!
Yep, way over! Said I would never do it again, but we all know how that works.
If you are good at something, never do it for free--Joker
  • #10,738
  • Edited 11:34pm Oct 23, 2017 11:12pm | Edited 11:34pm
Quoting jen101
{quote} Well done, Ming.
A decision that may kill us all.
I wish he had been more like a Chauncey Gardiner kind of wacky. (:
  • #10,739
  • Oct 24, 2017 12:24am Oct 24, 2017 12:24am
[quote=jmn5611;10419022]
Quoting jarhead
{quote} Yep, way over! Said I would never do it again, but we all know how that works.
The price of admission is paid.
  • #10,740
  • Edited 2:41am Oct 24, 2017 12:31am | Edited 2:41am
[quote=jarhead;10417205]
Quoting jmn5611
{quote} Yeah I ran off and got hitched. Great gal. Hope it does not matter if she is a Filipina. {quote} Congratulations!! U prolly like me. Married way over ya paygrade!!

Hey Sarge! Had a question for you.

Were you among the 5K Marines that survived the battle of Khe Sahn?

Addendum:

The reason why I asked, I met up with an old friend recently who served in Vietnam and was there at Khe Sahn when the SHTF. We met up for a beer and starting discussing Kennedy in light of the recent news of Trump releasing the classified files. We both remarked how nothing will be learned and it was a diversion. We both agreed however when he was assassinated was a curious timing of events in relation to his policy relating to the US dollar and wanting to back it with silver, and how several weeks prior to his death the leader of south Vietnam was assassinated. He remarked at the time how the heroine smuggling onto US military planes flying out on a daily basis was a lucrative operation and only found out about it when doctors who constructed an elbow out of his ribs revealed this big secret to him. To this day he never knew why the doctor had told him this. Anyway, it was an interesting conversation, one in which left me convinced that the FED was behind the conspiracy to eliminate Kennedy, because after a year of the "Silver Certificate," being introduced into circulation it was then scrapped and replaced by fractional lending and Nixon closing the gold window for good. I wonder how much a "Silver Certificate" is worth today?
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