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  • #10,501
  • Oct 16, 2017 8:18am Oct 16, 2017 8:18am
Quoting jen101
{quote} Water appears level on a small scale and bends with the earth's curvature on a large scale. Though on the smaller scale, you have other things to consider like air pressure I guess.

100 miles gives sufficient curvature, that is my point. I'm not suggesting you should or do have the answer Jen just illustrating why I think something out of whack.
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  • #10,502
  • Oct 16, 2017 8:22am Oct 16, 2017 8:22am
Quoting jen101
{quote} Anything goes except sexist pigs and racism. Even bad music is ok. But then you have to consider the thought police which is nothing to do with me. It may be prudent to give the Jew discussions a miss.
I agree and I can honestly say I haven't witnessed either sexism or racism here although I have heard some dire music from that Iglasi.....arse chap !
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  • #10,503
  • Oct 16, 2017 8:31am Oct 16, 2017 8:31am
Quoting Stu Effex
{quote} So what are your thoughts on the Suez I was talking about earlier ? With no locks and curvature over that distance producing a drop of around 6500 feet something doesn't stack up to me. Unless of course the Med is the same level as The Red Sea, then that shoots curvature in the foot.
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  • #10,504
  • Oct 16, 2017 8:36am Oct 16, 2017 8:36am
Quoting Stu Effex
{quote} I agree and I can honestly say I haven't witnessed either sexism or racism here although I have heard some dire music from that Iglasi.....arse chap !
If I smacked you on the nose and broke it, I guess it would be your fault for having a sensitive nose? By the way, I apologise IF you were sensitive.
  • #10,505
  • Oct 16, 2017 8:38am Oct 16, 2017 8:38am
Going back to Egypt. Again.

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  • #10,506
  • Oct 16, 2017 8:39am Oct 16, 2017 8:39am
Quoting Stu Effex
{quote} Hi KP Having a radius obviously doesn't mean it can't be flat, it can still be round and flat. Of course you know that, you are just stating that you believe it's not flat and that's fine.
It is roughly spherical. If it'd be a circle, Erastothenes proved that we'd be living on its outer edge.
You can repeat Erastothenes'es experiment on any meridian on the Earth. It is easy to do, given you know somebody living a few hundred kilometers south or north from you (otherwise you need to be patient to perform the two measurements at the same date/time after one year).

Quoting Stu Effex
{quote} I have to confess tides are an odd one. If the moon has gravitational pull why doesn't it have the same effect on land locked (contained ) water too ...lakes etc ?
It does. It is just a much smaller degree effect (tide depends on the difference of forces, which is tiny for a given land-locked body of water). The Moon and Sun even affect the height of Earth's surface (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Earth_tide).

Quoting Stu Effex
{quote} The Suez Canal is 100 miles or so without any locks, over that distance curvature would produce a drop of around 6500 feet, so how can that be without locks to adjust for level changes ?
The gravitational force luckily pulls towards the Earth's centre, not towards some arbitrarily defined direction. So the curvature itself does not contribute to the drop. Only the height (i.e. the local difference in radius of the Earth, such as mountains) does.

Cheers,
k
  • #10,507
  • Oct 16, 2017 8:49am Oct 16, 2017 8:49am
Quoting jen101
{quote} If I smacked you on the nose and broke it, I guess it would be your fault for having a sensitive nose? By the way, I apologise IF you were sensitive.
Yes it would be my fault for not ducking !! On a serious note I don't think EX is or was being sexist and this isn't the boys sticking together BS either. I and I think most never consider your gender when we post. I know you can give as good as you get and so does everyone here, so the playing field is level (Just like water ) !!

Come on you're both good eggs and shame to let this get silly. I would much rather you all take the piss out of my Renault

I'm going into my garage for a few hours now to do some man stuff and play shite music.
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  • #10,508
  • Oct 16, 2017 9:02am Oct 16, 2017 9:02am
Quoting jen101
{quote} Anything goes except sexist pigs and racism. Even bad music is ok. But then you have to consider the thought police which is nothing to do with me. It may be prudent to give the Jew discussions a miss.
I guess you mean the Holocaust or does that apply to anything related to Israel.
Can we discuss Weinstein, Polanski, Epstein, AIPAC, USS Liberty for example?
How will I know cos I didn't see any of this in the FF rules
  • #10,509
  • Oct 16, 2017 9:07am Oct 16, 2017 9:07am
Quoting Stu Effex
{quote} Yes it would be my fault for not ducking !! On a serious note I don't think EX is or was being sexist and this isn't the boys sticking together BS either. I and I think most never consider your gender when we post. I know you can give as good as you get and so does everyone here, so the playing field is level (Just like water ) !! Come on you're both good eggs and shame to let this get silly. I would much rather you all take the piss out of my Renault I'm going into my garage for a few hours now to do...
If you don't wear knickers, you don't get a say on sexism. End of.

This is the post which confirmed to me it was all meant:
Quoting Exodus
{quote} Thank you for proving that male chauvinism has a worthy foundation.
  • #10,510
  • Oct 16, 2017 9:10am Oct 16, 2017 9:10am
Quoting Boudica
{quote} I guess you mean the Holocaust or does that apply to anything related to Israel. Can we discuss Weinstein, Polanski, Epstein, AIPAC, USS Liberty for example? How will I know cos I didn't see any of this in the FF rules
I don't know much about the Holocaust. Maybe someone else can tell you what is ok and what is not for FF.
  • #10,511
  • Oct 16, 2017 9:16am Oct 16, 2017 9:16am
Quoting Boudica
{quote} I guess you mean the Holocaust or does that apply to anything related to Israel. Can we discuss Weinstein, Polanski, Epstein, AIPAC, USS Liberty for example? How will I know cos I didn't see any of this in the FF rules
You can discuss them as they are sexist predator pigs. You can not discuss the reason (J) why they may be that way.

These can be discussed. You need to be prudent in how far you take the (J) aspect of the discussion.

The tolerance for discussing anything (J) is severely limited.
Mark ... Everything you have been told is a LIE
  • #10,512
  • Oct 16, 2017 9:16am Oct 16, 2017 9:16am
Quoting jen101
{quote} If you don't wear knickers, you don't get a say on sexism. End of. This is the post which confirmed to me it was all meant: {quote}

Ha ha I hope you don't want me to say " only At The Weekend". Ok I'll keep my nose out. I think it was jest but ...
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  • #10,513
  • Oct 16, 2017 9:32am Oct 16, 2017 9:32am
Quoting kprsa
{quote} It is roughly spherical. If it'd be a circle, Erastothenes proved that we'd be living on its outer edge. You can repeat Erastothenes'es experiment on any meridian on the Earth. It is easy to do, given you know somebody living a few hundred kilometers south or north from you (otherwise you need to be patient to perform the two measurements at the same date/time after one year). {quote} It does. It is just a much smaller degree effect (tide depends on the difference of forces, which is tiny for a given land-locked body of water)....
Ok cheers KP will have to look into that, about land locked water. Only thing I ever thought affected it was rainfall and evaporation.

I really don't understand how you can say curvature does not contribute to the drop ? The drop is calculated due to curvature. Why don't the same forces apply to my gutter experiment if gravity is everywhere ? If the gutter is capped at either end and scaled curvature applied the water will want to drain to both ends and will not bend and adhere to the surface. The forces supposedly at work on the grand scale should be observed on the smaller scale to, I have vernier callipers measuring thous of an inch. The scales are not so minute we can't measure this. So even scaled down gravity should distribute the water evenly over the lower containing surface of the gutter but it is my bet it doesn't, water will pool at both ends where it finds it's own level.
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  • #10,514
  • Oct 16, 2017 9:36am Oct 16, 2017 9:36am
Quoting jen101
{quote} If you don't wear knickers, you don't get a say on sexism. End of. This is the post which confirmed to me it was all meant: {quote}
by that logic most of us can not say anything you are using BLM logic white people can not talk about black people non Muslims can not talk about Muslims you can not talk about any religion as you are not religious i can not talk about American politics as i'm not American English people can not have a opinion on the Scottish vote on independence i think you can see where i'm go with this and i could do it all day
  • #10,515
  • Oct 16, 2017 9:49am Oct 16, 2017 9:49am
Quoting Ross88
{quote} by that logic most of us can not say anything you are using BLM logic white people can not talk about black people non Muslims can not talk about Muslims you can not talk about any religion as you are not religious i can not talk about American politics as i'm not American English people can not have a opinion on the Scottish vote on independence i think you can see where i'm go with this and i could do it all day
Oi or Beamer Owners Talking About Crappy Renault Owners !!!
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  • #10,516
  • Edited 10:16am Oct 16, 2017 9:51am | Edited 10:16am
Quoting Stu Effex
{quote} Oi or Beamer Owners Talking About Crappy Renault Owners !!!
it's a standard no one can keep at what point would it end

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4984980/Sebastian-Kurz-victory-sends-shockwaves-Europe.html

can only Austrians have a opinion about this or is it only German speakers that would be allowed a opinion or is it only people born i Europe or is it only people living in the EU

the Rabbit Hole only come about because the Fully Monty guys called us names because they didn't like our opinion jen was called a racist for posting a pic of Obama in Indonesian clothes let not become like the Fully Monty lets not call people names over opinions or say you can not have a opinion because your not from the right group and lets not ban people for posting over a joke or posted taken the wrong way i'm 100% sure Exo is not a sexist in anyway

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  • #10,517
  • Edited 11:55am Oct 16, 2017 10:15am | Edited 11:55am
Quoting Ross88
{quote} by that logic most of us can not say anything you are using BLM logic white people can not talk about black people non Muslims can not talk about Muslims you can not talk about any religion as you are not religious i can not talk about American politics as i'm not American English people can not have a opinion on the Scottish vote on independence i think you can see where i'm go with this and i could do it all day
I was joking, but if you have never experienced it and it doesn't affect you, your opinion does carry less weight.

What has what I said a long time ago got to do with this? Muslims in the UK are affecting every one of us.

I would never belittle something that has happened to someone else that I haven't experienced. I have never been attacked by a white man or Muslim, so should I be telling victims that it is no big deal? Like Lily Allen did. I respect that they are talking from experience. So unless you've been there, best keep your trap shut.

By the way, that is not the reason why this thread came about.
  • #10,518
  • Oct 16, 2017 10:23am Oct 16, 2017 10:23am
Quoting Stu Effex
{quote} I really don't understand how you can say curvature does not contribute to the drop ? The drop is calculated due to curvature. .
When I wrote curvature, I meant about the curvature of the Earth's surface. There the "down" direction is perpendicular to the surface and is pointing towards the centre of the Earth.

Quoting Stu Effex
{quote} Why don't the same forces apply to my gutter experiment if gravity is everywhere ? If the gutter is capped at either end and scaled curvature applied the water will want to drain to both ends and will not bend and adhere to the surface.
I agree. It is just that the effect is going to be tiny as long as the gutter is short. If it is very long and straight - in other words if it does not follow the curvature of the Earth - I do think that you are indeed going to observe the effect you mention - the water level at the centre of the gutter is going to have a higher level than on the sides. Note that every natural or artificial canal of this length is certainly going to follow the curvature of the Earth.

Cheers,
k
  • #10,519
  • Oct 16, 2017 12:52pm Oct 16, 2017 12:52pm
For me the most obvious way to visualize why the Earth is not flat is the existence of horizon. If the Earth were flat, the world would be a very strange place and would look differently. For example, there would not be a good reason why from Portugal you wouldn’t be able to see the Rocky Mountains with a telescope on a clear summer day. And yet, you just see the water waves on the horizon. If the Earth were flat, this would mean that the waves were much taller than the Rocky Mountains (as they obviously stand in between the observer and them). How does one rationalize that?
k
  • #10,520
  • Oct 16, 2017 1:08pm Oct 16, 2017 1:08pm
Quoting kprsa
{quote} When I wrote curvature, I meant about the curvature of the Earth's surface. There the "down" direction is perpendicular to the surface and is pointing towards the centre of the Earth. {quote} I agree. It is just that the effect is going to be tiny as long as the gutter is short. If it is very long and straight - in other words if it does not follow the curvature of the Earth - I do think that you are indeed going to observe the effect you mention - the water level at the centre of the gutter is going to have a higher level than on the sides....
Ok so if you say a canal of this length would certainly follow the curvature it would need locks to account for that and as you know it doesn't have any.
When there was talk of building the canal partly along the path of an earlier built canal, it was put off because of early thinking that there was a large difference in sea level between Med and Red Sea obviously due to curvature. So if they were put off because of the thought of sea level difference then later discovered actually no difference and no need for locks I would suggest that means that expanse of water is in fact level and not curved.
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