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  • #10,081
  • Oct 8, 2017 2:38pm Oct 8, 2017 2:38pm
Quoting Exodus
{quote} Chill man. Take a breath.
I wasn't angry, or short of breath, I should not have called him Drshithispants though lol.

sorry manhatten
  • #10,082
  • Oct 8, 2017 3:36pm Oct 8, 2017 3:36pm
Quoting Stu Effex
If the UK had similar gun laws to USA I would own one. The police have steadily become like the military and their reasons are to deal with the modern issues we are faced with in society. Strange thing is that generally the police aren't the first in line to meet the issues, it is the public and then the police respond and often it is too late to stop anything. So while the police have had their arsenal increased we the public have gone backwards even to the extreme that carrying a pocket knife ( as a boy I always had a pen knife) can be an offence....
If you were allowed guns, the burglar would have one too and then it would get really complicated.
  • #10,083
  • Oct 8, 2017 3:39pm Oct 8, 2017 3:39pm
Quoting verv
{quote} I wasn't angry, or short of breath, I should not have called him Drshithispants though lol. sorry manhatten
Me too. I should not have told him to do a Cliffedwards.
  • #10,084
  • Oct 8, 2017 3:51pm Oct 8, 2017 3:51pm
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  • Edited 6:21pm Oct 8, 2017 5:30pm | Edited 6:21pm
Quoting jen101
{quote} If you were allowed guns, the burglar would have one too and then it would get really complicated.
sorry jen but that is poor logic most burglar don't even like to have a screwdriver or hammer on them tools that make it easier to break into someones house because if they got caught on the way to burglar a house in the possession of them they are going to got in trouble

example your on the way to burglar a house and get pulled over or stopped and searched you have a hammer on you and a screwdriver and some gloves the police automatically know what you are doing and they will charged you with the possession of a weapon you are now down the station for the night with a criminal charge which you will not beat under UK law

how people really burglar your house they have gloves and some form of tape which is normally heavy duty masking tape (it's incriminating but not illegal to have them with you) put the tape on the glass and smash it (with something you find in the garden) the tape minimises the noise or peel the black stuff from around the glass and take the glass away or just come in through a unlocked door or open window and use a beg from the house to take their things of a pillowcase

put your self in a criminals shoes why have a gun on you and escalate your charges which put you in jail for a longer time and keep in mind a criminal does not have a licensed firearm that's part of the reason why i like you it's because you are naive like a house Mum in a good way
  • #10,086
  • Oct 8, 2017 5:48pm Oct 8, 2017 5:48pm
Quoting Stu Effex
{quote} Water finds it's own level. The earth is spinning how fast ? And gravity keeps all the water stuck to the ball.
i remember you saying you have a education in engineering which made you think the world is flat

as a kid did you ever play the game where you put water in a bucket and spin the bucket over your head but the water did not fall on you i still don't understand why but with less water you had to spin the bucket faster that why the water is at a level just on a far bigger scale we have our own atmosphere

what model do you think the world is most flat Earth people think it's the United Nations symbol?
  • #10,087
  • Oct 8, 2017 11:56pm Oct 8, 2017 11:56pm
Quoting Ross88
{quote} sorry jen but that is poor logic most burglar don't even like to have a screwdriver or hammer on them tools that make it easier to break into someones house because if they got caught on the way to burglar a house in the possession of them they are going to got in trouble example your on the way to burglar a house and get pulled over or stopped and searched you have a hammer on you and a screwdriver and some gloves the police automatically know what you are doing and they will charged you with the possession of a weapon you are now down...
We're talking about if everyone was allowed guns like in America, not as the law is here now.
  • #10,088
  • Oct 9, 2017 12:01am Oct 9, 2017 12:01am
Quoting AlexC
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What if he has a gun too? Why either anyway? Just say you have HIV.

Assuming no weapons are involved, failing that, I am pretty confident I can get out of a grab and hurt him in the process anyway. I am quite confident of being able to get out even on my back. (Wing Chun techniques).
  • #10,089
  • Oct 9, 2017 2:02am Oct 9, 2017 2:02am
Quoting jen101
{quote} If you were allowed guns, the burglar would have one too and then it would get really complicated.
Lots of them do now Jen. The old hook and cane thieves don't bother trying to hook high end car keys through the letter box they just barge in and force the owners to handover the keys at gunpoint. I'm lucky I have a Renault
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  • #10,090
  • Oct 9, 2017 2:12am Oct 9, 2017 2:12am
Quoting Stu Effex
{quote} Lots of them do now Jen. The old hook and cane thieves don't bother trying to hook high end car keys through the letter box they just barge in and force the owners to handover the keys at gunpoint. I'm lucky I have a Renault
I would not buy a Renault even at gunpoint.
  • #10,091
  • Oct 9, 2017 2:12am Oct 9, 2017 2:12am
Quoting Ross88
{quote} i remember you saying you have a education in engineering which made you think the world is flat as a kid did you ever play the game where you put water in a bucket and spin the bucket over your head but the water did not fall on you i still don't understand why but with less water you had to spin the bucket faster that why the water is at a level just on a far bigger scale we have our own atmosphere what model do you think the world is most flat Earth people think it's the United Nations symbol?
Ross I have never actually said I believe it's flat. The bucket experiment always depends on how much water you put in the bucket, when it's swung both the bucket and water are traveling in the same direction and therefore the water stays contained, no one does it with a full bucket.
If everything is relative and gravity is acting on everything soak the outer surface of a ball and spin it, see if gravity keeps the water on the ball's surface.
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  • #10,092
  • Oct 9, 2017 2:14am Oct 9, 2017 2:14am
Quoting jen101
{quote} I would not buy a Renault even at gunpoint.
Ha ha it keeps my family safe from gun toting high end car thieves though.
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  • #10,093
  • Oct 9, 2017 2:21am Oct 9, 2017 2:21am
Quoting Stu Effex
{quote} Ha ha it keeps my family safe from gun toting high end car thieves though.
That's what you have insurance for.
  • #10,094
  • Oct 9, 2017 2:34am Oct 9, 2017 2:34am
Quoting jen101
{quote} That's what you have insurance for.
Insurance won't erase the trauma of facing masked idiots wielding guns from kids minds.

I owned a pub years ago for a while and my Mother stayed over there with my sister one weekend. I was away. Anyway after closing time and pub closed two masked armed men who had hidden in the toilets went about robbing the place and violently attacked the manager in front of my sister and Mother. That experience affected my Mother for the rest of her days, she just couldn't erase the experience. She wasn't personally attacked but the whole experience was enough.
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  • #10,095
  • Oct 9, 2017 2:42am Oct 9, 2017 2:42am
Quoting Stu Effex
If the UK had similar gun laws to USA I would own one .... I should have made him leave the same way he got in and threw him out of the window.
Stu, you did well there mate. You had a legitimate call for self-defence imho. Is that what is called 'aggravated burglary', taking weapon into a crime?

There are times when I think our system is all wrong, and your experience is exactly one of those times. I have wrestled (briefly) with thoughts about what to do and how to justify and it comes down to this: a person who breaks into your house carrying "a tool" is not bringing flowers nor best wishes. Therefore if they are 'injured' it is their own fault and should be considered as a consequence of partaking in dangerous sports.

I also believe we could usefully adopt the Texan approach in respect of an Englishman's home being his castle. If you break into a Texas home you should expect to be shot, because their law supports the 'shoot first and see who it is later' philosophy.
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  • #10,096
  • Oct 9, 2017 3:00am Oct 9, 2017 3:00am
Quoting Stu Effex
{quote} Ross I have never actually said I believe it's flat. The bucket experiment always depends on how much water you put in the bucket, when it's swung both the bucket and water are traveling in the same direction and therefore the water stays contained, no one does it with a full bucket. If everything is relative and gravity is acting on everything soak the outer surface of a ball and spin it, see if gravity keeps the water on the ball's surface.
The quantity of water in the bucket is irrelevant, it just has to be going fast enough to keep the water in the bucket. There are two reasons nobody uses a full bucket; a) damage limitation, b) a full bucket weighs too much to be able to achieve critical velocity with hurting yourself or getting soaked.
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  • #10,097
  • Oct 9, 2017 3:02am Oct 9, 2017 3:02am
Quoting Exodus
{quote} Stu, you did well there mate. You had a legitimate call for self-defence imho. Is that what is called 'aggravated burglary', taking weapon into a crime? There are times when I think our system is all wrong, and your experience is exactly one of those times. I have wrestled (briefly) with thoughts about what to do and how to justify and it comes down to this: a person who breaks into your house carrying "a tool" is not bringing flowers nor best wishes. Therefore if they are 'injured' it is their own fault and should be considered as a consequence...
If it was proven it would have been. He said he didn't have a screwdriver and was just a plain old fashioned burglar and that the screwdriver must have been mine. Anyway it was dismissed as not sufficient evidence, (evidence would have been if he was successful in stabbing me !). He also denied having a pan of boiling water in the kitchen. It turns out this kid knew all the tricks. I'm trying to find the old newspaper cutting and will post, it was a joke . He said he was drunk and being chased and climbed a cast drain pipe and into our house to avoid being caught and was essentially taking refuge. Judge did say you did well considering you were drunk and it was a 3 storey Victorian semi ! Couldn't you have found somewhere easier to hide !! Judge knew the score but hands tied by what is presented by the CPS. I think the old copper was of similar thinking, he said to me who would miss him if he was face down in the Mersey !! Sadly those old school coppers are becoming extinct. The crim seems to have more rights than the victim in lots of cases. Remember the old guy from Norfolk (Tony Martin ? Think) who shot that young lad ? He was at his wits end and just lost it but he did time. The law didn't protect him and that really pissed me off.
Once You See, You Can't Unsee But You Will Get The Odd Poke In The Eye
  • #10,098
  • Oct 9, 2017 3:09am Oct 9, 2017 3:09am
Quoting Ross88
.... that's part of the reason why i like you it's because you are naive like a house Mum in a good way
When you suddenly go quiet we know she has found you....

Quoting Ross88
{quote} i remember you saying you have a education in engineering which made you think the world is flat as a kid did you ever play the game where you put water in a bucket and spin the bucket over your head but the water did not fall on you i still don't understand why but with less water you had to spin the bucket faster that why the water is at a level just on a far bigger scale we have our own atmosphere what model do you think the world is most flat Earth people think it's the United Nations symbol?
I had not realised until now how much we British take our education for granted. Anybody paying attention in regular science classes at school would know why the water stays in the bucket. That leads me to consider all those in other countries who don't have any education at all, it is no wonder that the flat-Earth society gains traction.
Carbon-Dioxide: the gas of life! https://youtu.be/ttJBdr6eBuo
  • #10,099
  • Oct 9, 2017 3:11am Oct 9, 2017 3:11am
Quoting Stu Effex
{quote} Insurance won't erase the trauma of facing masked idiots wielding guns from kids minds. I owned a pub years ago for a while and my Mother stayed over there with my sister one weekend. I was away. Anyway after closing time and pub closed two masked armed men who had hidden in the toilets went about robbing the place and violently attacked the manager in front of my sister and Mother. That experience affected my Mother for the rest of her days, she just couldn't erase the experience. She wasn't personally attacked but the whole experience...
A knackered old banger isn't very good when it disintegrates when you're rear shunted by a lorry, which is more likely than being held at gunpoint for your car keys. Lorries are a menace, especially the foreign ones who have been going for 48 hours, the driver's watching porn and pissing into bottles, about to drop from a heart attack. My car is built like a tank and it has the performance and handling to not be involved in situations in the first place. I can easily blast out of it if there is the space, better than most. If not, then it would hold up better than almost everything else in a smash. That is what keeps my kids safe.
  • #10,100
  • Oct 9, 2017 3:13am Oct 9, 2017 3:13am
Quoting Stu Effex
{quote} ..... Remember the old guy from Norfolk (Tony Martin ? Think) who shot that young lad ? He was at his wits end and just lost it but he did time. The law didn't protect him and that really pissed me off.
As I was writing I was thinking about Spike Milligan, who shot intruders with a shotgun and stayed out of jail.
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