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  • #9,881
  • Oct 4, 2017 10:10am Oct 4, 2017 10:10am
On a different subject entirely

Autumn is upon us and today is the first Beef Stew of the season!

There are only two ingredients.

Big chunk of Cow (cut into smaller chunks) (this had so much blood when the butcher gave it to me this morning that I can be sure it isn't halal!)
Couple of pints of Newcastle Brown Ale!

Then it is just heat and time.....
  • #9,882
  • Oct 4, 2017 10:14am Oct 4, 2017 10:14am
Quoting DrManhatten
Wow folks! Just got off the horn with a close friend on mine who is a reporter in DC. He just shared with me some pretty compelling info that says the FBI is lying about the vegas shooting rampage. If fact they have footage of a another shooter from a lower floor who did all the shooting and that Paddock was the set up to take the fall. He thinks who ever was involved with him is the one who killed Paddock to make it look like a suicide just prior to when the shooting took place. Paddock agreed to it apparently and was paid the 100,000 dollars which...
The guy was a criminal. Possibly radicalized. No broken windows on the 4th floor. Windows do not open. I think what people keep claiming were gun flashes from that area were strobe light reflections.

Was not deep state. False flags are BS. Government people tend to talk and things like "false flags" would require too many people being involved.
Mark ... Everything you have been told is a LIE
  • #9,883
  • Oct 4, 2017 10:16am Oct 4, 2017 10:16am
Quoting nbfx
On a different subject entirely Autumn is upon us and today is the first Beef Stew of the season! There are only two ingredients. Big chunk of Cow (cut into smaller chunks) (this had so much blood when the butcher gave it to me this morning that I can be sure it isn't halal!) Couple of pints of Newcastle Brown Ale! Then it is just heat and time.....
That's not stew. It's heat infused beer marinated beef.
Mark ... Everything you have been told is a LIE
  • #9,884
  • Oct 4, 2017 10:43am Oct 4, 2017 10:43am
Quoting nbfx
On a different subject entirely Autumn is upon us and today is the first Beef Stew of the season! There are only two ingredients. Big chunk of Cow (cut into smaller chunks) (this had so much blood when the butcher gave it to me this morning that I can be sure it isn't halal!) Couple of pints of Newcastle Brown Ale! Then it is just heat and time.....
Yum. Going unhealthy doing nachos tonight.
  • #9,885
  • Oct 4, 2017 10:54am Oct 4, 2017 10:54am
Quoting spzd
{quote} That's not stew. It's heat infused beer marinated beef.
Who needs anything else? The Cow is melting soft and the Gravy is soooo very rich and beefy!
  • #9,886
  • Oct 4, 2017 10:54am Oct 4, 2017 10:54am
Quoting jen101
{quote} Yum. Going unhealthy doing nachos tonight.
I'm shocked!! I thought you never touched junk food.
Mark ... Everything you have been told is a LIE
  • #9,887
  • Oct 4, 2017 11:02am Oct 4, 2017 11:02am
Quoting spzd
{quote} The guy was a criminal. Possibly radicalized. No broken windows on the 4th floor. Windows do not open. I think what people keep claiming were gun flashes from that area were strobe light reflections. Was not deep state. False flags are BS. Government people tend to talk and things like "false flags" would require too many people being involved.
I am going to disagree with you on this and for several reasons. 1. There were shots reported coming from different places other than the mandalay hotel. 2. paddock had no real criminal history other than minor traffic violations(but his father was on the FBI's most wanted list). He was also a former IRS agent and Postal Worker 3. The 100,000 dollar that was wired into the Girlfriends account, was just days prior and Paddock had quite a substantial gambling debt. 4. New information just emerged about the Girlfriend that she has multiple identities with multiple SS numbers, who also so happens to be married to two different men in two different states at the same time and has a daughter living in California while being with Paddock 5. Windows can be removed with special tools, by professionals, although this theory is unlikely given the time involved it would take to do that and then escape in time before police arrived on the scene. Also the layout of the terrain with an airport and fuel tanks near by gave a perfect access of in and out as well as shooting vantage points. 6. Receipts show that there was another person in the room with him just prior to the shooting.

This was definitely not perpetrated by a lone wolf, there was more than one person involved in this. A automatic weapon such as the ones found on site would not be accurate from a range of 1000 yards which was the estimated distance from the 32nd floor of the hotel to the concert venue. This I know as being fact and is the sole reason why I don't buy the argument that the media is trying to sell everyone on. Last, my friend who I talked to about this is working a story angle for OAN on this tragedy and I trust his sources on this explanation as being valid, especially the one with the FBI misinforming the public about this. The processing of the crime scene should reveal forensics to confirm the angle of bullets and where they came from.
  • #9,888
  • Oct 4, 2017 11:03am Oct 4, 2017 11:03am
Quoting DrManhatten
Wow folks! Just got off the horn with a close friend on mine who is a reporter in DC. He just shared with me some pretty compelling info that says the FBI is lying about the vegas shooting rampage. If fact they have footage of a another shooter from a lower floor who did all the shooting and that Paddock was the set up to take the fall. He thinks who ever was involved with him is the one who killed Paddock to make it look like a suicide just prior to when the shooting took place. Paddock agreed to it apparently and was paid the 100,000 dollars which...
The plot thickens
  • #9,889
  • Oct 4, 2017 11:09am Oct 4, 2017 11:09am
Quoting nbfx
{quote} Yeah - Deep State?
Not sure about that theory, but when you consider that the La Times just sent tweets out about rewriting the 2nd Amendment and the media is immediately attacking gun rights, as well as Democratic law makers making similar statements just hours after the shooting occurred, definitely makes me wonder what the hell is going on! Something about this is not right, too many inconsistencies in what is being reported, and LEO are changing their story on more than one occasion is another red flag.
  • #9,890
  • Oct 4, 2017 11:12am Oct 4, 2017 11:12am
Quoting Devauxt
{quote} The plot thickens

This is crazy! Yes indeed it does! God I hope someone is finally caught and reveals who is truly behind this! The girlfriend is the key to all of this IMHO.
  • #9,891
  • Oct 4, 2017 11:21am Oct 4, 2017 11:21am
Quoting DrManhatten
Wow folks! Just got off the horn with a close friend on mine who is a reporter in DC. He just shared with me some pretty compelling info that says the FBI is lying about the vegas shooting rampage. If fact they have footage of a another shooter from a lower floor who did all the shooting and that Paddock was the set up to take the fall. He thinks who ever was involved with him is the one who killed Paddock to make it look like a suicide just prior to when the shooting took place. Paddock agreed to it apparently and was paid the 100,000 dollars which...
Stu ... kudos to you mate
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  • #9,892
  • Oct 4, 2017 11:22am Oct 4, 2017 11:22am
Quoting DrManhatten
{quote} I am going to disagree with you on this and for several reasons. 1. There were shots reported coming from different places other than the mandalay hotel. 2. paddock had no real criminal history other than minor traffic violations(but his father was on the FBI's most wanted list). He was also a former IRS agent and Postal Worker 3. The 100,000 dollar that was wired into the Girlfriends account, was just days prior and Paddock had quite a substantial gambling debt. 4. New information just emerged about the Girlfriend that she has multiple...
It is obvious he had associates. The whole thing smells rotten. I was just saying no deep state. I still stand by him being radicalized. The FBI was much too fast in saying that was not possible. When in this day and age that is almost the only reason one commits mass murder.

Think back to the brothers interviews. They knew the guy was off. Those interviews were some strange moments.
Mark ... Everything you have been told is a LIE
  • #9,893
  • Oct 4, 2017 11:25am Oct 4, 2017 11:25am
Quoting spzd
{quote} I'm shocked!! I thought you never touched junk food.
All home made with fresh ingredients.
  • #9,894
  • Oct 4, 2017 11:28am Oct 4, 2017 11:28am
Quoting spzd
{quote} The guy was a criminal. Possibly radicalized. No broken windows on the 4th floor. Windows do not open. I think what people keep claiming were gun flashes from that area were strobe light reflections. Was not deep state. False flags are BS. Government people tend to talk and things like "false flags" would require too many people being involved.
Generally agree, though remain open to the possibility of false flags I'm not convince there has ever been one.

There are multiple videos of the shooting, and it sounds like only one automatic weapon.
  • #9,895
  • Oct 4, 2017 11:45am Oct 4, 2017 11:45am
Quoting DrManhatten
.... This was definitely not perpetrated by a lone wolf, there was more than one person involved in this. A automatic weapon such as the ones found on site would not be accurate from a range of 1000 yards which was the estimated distance from the 32nd floor of the hotel to the concert venue. ....
It doesn't have to be accurate. A crowd is a no-miss target and a rifle round is lethal well beyond a mile.

https://youtu.be/EEpbnDHECm4
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  • #9,896
  • Oct 4, 2017 11:57am Oct 4, 2017 11:57am
interesting comments @DrManhatten. Some of it makes sense such as him not being a lone wolf and more to the story than what we know at this point, but to go straight to him accepting a suicide mission for a measeley $100k when he was retired, a supposed millionaire with a plane and multiple properties, and the hobby of gambling. Doesn't really fit someone that is ready to die for a cause and/or someone who really needs this lowly $100k and is willing to go down like this. That doesn't really add up in my mind, but there are some things that are off about this whole story so far.

I def believe there are others involved somewhere. I mean this whole thing was pulled off with the professionalism and efficiency of any fine elite unit except for his whole lack of escape and leaving all of the evidence behind. It also doesn't make since that this whole thing would be done so professionally and then be sloppy enough to leave receipts and computer hardware behind that would implicate other higher power parties.

Seems more likely that he was radicalized somehow and ready to go down for whatever cause he believed in. That's why there was no care about weapons, computer, money trail, etc. He knew he was going to take down people and that he was going to die that day. If it were truly big time professionals (deep state) behind it, why would all of the evidence be laying around?
  • #9,897
  • Oct 4, 2017 12:05pm Oct 4, 2017 12:05pm
Quoting spzd
{quote} It is obvious he had associates. The whole thing smells rotten. I was just saying no deep state. I still stand by him being radicalized. The FBI was much too fast in saying that was not possible. When in this day and age that is almost the only reason one commits mass murder. Think back to the brothers interviews. They knew the guy was off. Those interviews were some strange moments.

I didn't see the brothers interviews, but I heard a similar comment as yours as being strange. Also I am not sure of the deep state thing, but there are are some really strange anomalies that make some aspect of this questioning it whether it being coincidental. The cameras that were set up, the Venue, other reports of other gun fire coming from different places, and people warning concert attendees that people were going to get murdered just 40 minutes prior.

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  • #9,898
  • Edited 12:29pm Oct 4, 2017 12:09pm | Edited 12:29pm
Quoting marinecorps
interesting comments @DrManhatten. Some of it makes sense such as him not being a lone wolf and more to the story than what we know at this point, but to go straight to him accepting a suicide mission for a measeley $100k when he was retired, a supposed millionaire with a plane and multiple properties, and the hobby of gambling. Doesn't really fit someone that is ready to die for a cause and/or someone who really needs this lowly $100k and is willing to go down like this. That doesn't really add up in my mind, but there are some things that are...

You are probably right about a few things, but in my mind it could also easily have been a staged scene with all the guns and other stuff they found to purposely look like something else and to throw LEO's scent off of the trail. I have seen this type of thing before, and could be one of those things where PR optics wins over the knowing of the actual truth. Also the 100,00 was not the only wire transfer either. It was actually several hundreds of thousands that were sent over a longer period of time prior to the shooting and all going to the Philippines. The real telling part is the estimated time of death of the shooter, that would support whether the possibility he was shot by someone else and the timeline in how this can be connected or support other alternative possible theories. Forensics will be the interesting part of this story.
  • #9,899
  • Oct 4, 2017 12:17pm Oct 4, 2017 12:17pm
There's always the chance he was a patsy?
  • #9,900
  • Edited 12:56pm Oct 4, 2017 12:18pm | Edited 12:56pm
Quoting Exodus
{quote} It doesn't have to be accurate. A crowd is a no-miss target and a rifle round is lethal well beyond a mile. https://youtu.be/EEpbnDHECm4
Yeah I don't know about that especially over a 1100 yards which is the distance that was allegedly reported as being the distance of the shooting and the amount of people that died 59 and counting. There is no way a single gun from that distance could have accomplished that feat. You also have to account for wind velocity and angle and when those factors are accounted for in the overall equation it simply doesn't add up in the overall assumption that a single gun man firing from a 32 floor Hotel room is solely responsible. Also not all rifles are lethal over a mile, it depends on the caliber of rifle that is capable of achieving that feat as well. I was with a crew who achieved that feat with a 50 cal, and I know first hand a lot of factors had to be accounted for to insure the accuracy of the kill shot hitting its target.

I am adding a link here that supports my assertions that it would have been impossible for a 64 year old man to pull off firing an automatic weapon for as long it would have required to murder 59 people.

https://www.naturalnews.com/2017-10-02-lone-gunman-theory-of-las-vegas-shooter-is-complete-nonsense-stephen-paddock.html
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