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  • #821
  • Oct 2, 2017 2:33pm Oct 2, 2017 2:33pm
Quoting strongtrader
{quote} No...no...no.....don't turn my question to me Don't make the jocker with me, answer to my question.
can you tell the question more exactly, i also dont ask you, tell me all you know about math. same general, i dont like to write books for you.
  • #822
  • Oct 2, 2017 2:37pm Oct 2, 2017 2:37pm
Quoting dukas_trader
{quote} can you tell the question more exactly, i also dont ask you, tell me all you know about math. same general, i dont like to write books for you.
I already have told you I do know a shit about maths.
For the last time the question was: describe to me what structure does market have, in your opinion
  • #823
  • Oct 2, 2017 2:42pm Oct 2, 2017 2:42pm
Quoting strongtrader
This is the link to a beautiful film from which there is a lot to learn about mindset.....enjoy! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y5w3...tHB7XTvLY0FV3L
There are a lot of entertaining movies about that topic, although it is indeed only a cursorily stimuli. Some I can think of right now are

What the bleep do we know?
Inner worlds outer worlds 1-3
Samadhi
Thrive
Kymatica
Celestine Prophecy
Life of Pi
...

hmm.. there are a lot more ... maybe someone wants to add a few to that list?
  • #824
  • Oct 2, 2017 3:06pm Oct 2, 2017 3:06pm
Quoting dukas_trader
{quote} i dont know what to tell you, you dont check many things. you met people who are not possible to set mindset with god math and are same time algotraders whats pure math??? sorry, but thats bullshit (some facts are not possible , or maybe they are just rookies, maybe). they did not like to tell you truth, they dont like to speak with your or whatever reason...... its impossible very good algo traders have problems with mindset when math was perfect, math will create same time your mindset, thats the magic in math. maybe noone teached it to...


However much you want to taste my stick, it ain't gonna happen.


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  • #825
  • Oct 2, 2017 3:08pm Oct 2, 2017 3:08pm
This thread recently had so many (golden) nuggets that it could as well be renamed to Mc Donalds. LOL

Thanks allot for sharing your research guys, many appreciate it.
And it's a good sign that one particular person is trying to derail the thread, it means that you are uncovering some sensitive information which has a decent probability of transforming aspiring traders in to profitable traders.
However sadly more derailers will flood the thread soon.
Just please, don't allow it to die off just like other threads...
The truth is hidden from you
  • #826
  • Oct 2, 2017 3:10pm Oct 2, 2017 3:10pm
Quoting medici
{quote} However much you want to taste my stick, it ain't gonna happen. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=72FBhdFh9oM
did you never hear about the fact, that people who post videos and picture most of time has crazy mind and should be ignored?
thats method of people without any arguments. you will never see one good trader with that behavior.

i think you heard it more often, but just so you know how you look like.
  • #827
  • Oct 2, 2017 3:11pm Oct 2, 2017 3:11pm
Quoting MaxenshteinD
This thread recently had so many (golden) nuggets that it could as well be renamed to Mc Donalds. LOL Thanks allot for sharing your research guys, many appreciate it. And it's a good sign that one particular person is trying to derail the thread, it means that you are uncovering some sensitive information which has a decent probability of transforming aspiring traders in to profitable traders. However sadly more derailers will flood the thread soon. Just please, don't allow it to die off just like other threads...
your jokes are cool ;-). sensitive material. looks your aluminium had is still in place :-).
  • #828
  • Oct 2, 2017 3:31pm Oct 2, 2017 3:31pm
Quoting strongtrader
{quote}

That's it, finally!! your synthesys is perfect.
Glad you like it

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Steenbarger and all the other ones you quoted are milestones that should be part of the background of any trader: I wonder if dukas has ever read at least one of them.

Agreed. Unfortunately, d_t is too busy barking up the wrong tree to learn about these things.

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There is no wrong and no right, but only infinite possibilities, and this is true in any field

Love it You're touching upon the essence of it here - the development of one's operating metaphors and approach to trading is a creative act rather than an analytical one. Analysis plays a part, but is subordinate to one's overall approach.

For me it's like laying a jigsaw puzzle. The local setup is the final piece, but the overall picture is the essential thing. I've got half a dozen setups, backtested for hit-rate and R/R, and I could trade those mechanically and do very well. Still, it would be soul-destroying. And, most importantly, the best opportunities are typically when the big picture says that a low-probability setup is the final piece of the puzzle. I would do even better trading only those.
  • #829
  • Oct 2, 2017 3:36pm Oct 2, 2017 3:36pm
Quoting dukas_trader
{quote} i worked as coach in banks for teaching trading groups
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Reassuring to know that you teach.

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Mmmm, did you teach and coach soft skills ?
If so, might I suggest to brush up on your soft skills ?

LuXing
Wisdom begins in wonder
  • #830
  • Oct 2, 2017 3:38pm Oct 2, 2017 3:38pm
Quoting dukas_trader
{quote} your jokes are cool ;-). sensitive material. looks your aluminium had is still in place :-).
I see your followers are growing :-)))
Would you be so kind to reveal your holy grail in advance to me and give me a signal on whether I should go short or long on alumium ?
Im not patient enough sadly to wait untill you open up an education service.

P.S. Anyone with a brain can see that you are trying hard to not only create a debate with respected members of the forum, but to win it in order to gain a fan base of followers who will see you as their idol which has won all those people speaking "esoteric mumbo jumbo". You are a bit better with consumer behaviour than with your attempts at arguments (what you say sounds more esoteric to others, than crucialpoint sounds to you). So your target market is jealous overconfident newbies ? Yeah, they might take it that you are actually wining arguments so good that all of your targets simply go silent... Does it occur atleast to you that you are a laughing stock and your bs is so obvious that its a pitty that the pixels on the monitor even have to do anything with you ?

I might sound harsh to others, but I guess someone has to expose your agenda. si vis pacem para bellum
The irony with the scamers is that they are hypocrites to the point that they themselves think of trading as a total scam. You could back down though and try to take a different view on your luck to stumble upon this thread, at this time, and learn a thing or two.
The truth is hidden from you
  • #831
  • Oct 2, 2017 3:48pm Oct 2, 2017 3:48pm
Quoting dukas_trader
{quote} ci dont like to write books for you.
You do seem a person who brings nothing to the table, but who likes to insult fellow traders.

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Now, close your eyes and take a deep breath.

Quoting dukas_trader
{quote} with good math or robot trading this should not play a rule, if it plays a rule ,something is complete wrong done. or what reason can be, that mindset plays a rule in expert advisor trading what not is related with to high trading amount? ofcourse best is knowing trading from basic ground and by math, then results are extrem good and risk very low. but even without it can be possible, but risky.
I have worked for 3 years on my EA, 18/24h.
Admittedly - after my last look - it has a > 90% hitrate.
Like yourself, I have demo soft skills, a demo wive, demo kids and demo emotions.
I trade a 6 digit demo account to pay for my demo mortgage.

You really insist on telling your fellow traders what math and/or emotion should or should not play a role ?
Sod off.

LuXing
Wisdom begins in wonder
  • #832
  • Oct 2, 2017 3:56pm Oct 2, 2017 3:56pm
Quoting nealpek
Is there even one discussion group on FF that discusses trading? Everybody just defends how good a trader they are. Ego central.... Anyone have any thoughts on U/J?
It will be soon.
When you see lots of Invisibles (which you are surrounded by as you can see)... well... its about to get real.
To be optimistic though, perhaps the purpose of dukas in this thread was just to bring attention of others who might have something valuable to share ))
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  • #833
  • Oct 2, 2017 3:59pm Oct 2, 2017 3:59pm
The invisibles are a big family....
  • #834
  • Oct 2, 2017 4:03pm Oct 2, 2017 4:03pm
Guys - For every action, there is a reaction BUT if there is no reaction, there is no action. A simple rule to avoid clutter
"Don't react to posts you disagree". If you cannot ignore forum noise, how can you ignore market noise. PLEASE THINK ABOUT IT !!!
Staying in my lane...
  • #835
  • Oct 2, 2017 4:04pm Oct 2, 2017 4:04pm
Making an observation of an event or sequence of events, even if it's estimated 95% of the time, it still won't be enough. Something has to occur 100% of the time and it is only then that the hard research part actually begins. It's a good observation Neio but there are other observations that occur 100% of the time and they've been graciously outlined in a few threads on here.
Here's Tom with the weather.
  • #836
  • Oct 2, 2017 4:05pm Oct 2, 2017 4:05pm
Hey Vee, I forgot how relaxing these boards are! Can only takes a few hours a month to digest all the venom out here,lol
  • #837
  • Oct 2, 2017 4:06pm Oct 2, 2017 4:06pm
They are actually quite entertaining...
  • #838
  • Oct 2, 2017 4:16pm Oct 2, 2017 4:16pm
Quoting MaxenshteinD
{quote} I see your followers are growing :-))) Would you be so kind to reveal your holy grail in advance to me and give me a signal on whether I should go short or long on alumium ? Im not patient enough sadly to wait untill you open up an education service. P.S. Anyone with a brain can see that you are trying hard to not only create a debate with respected members of the forum, but to win it in order to gain a fan base of followers who will see you as their idol which has won all those people speaking "esoteric mumbo jumbo". You are a bit better...

what you will win? you see extrem stupid mistakes and simple correct it. i dont care for any follower, and i dont care to be very polit to people who dont look honest or look like fake/scam. i exchnage arguments with many who can, but when i see that someone calls himself a professional and from what he talks is only beginner, i start ignoring him many times and only speak basic stuff with them, because such people are always not worth the time.

the problem with people is often, they are not good but like to be seen from many people as nice guy who is super trader. be honest, be trustfull, be smart, thats whats worth to impress but you dont see in this thread very often. some even write wrong things just so they look smarter. even some crazy idiots with videos and picture sending all the time are here (but in other threads too, this type of fun unlucky trader is often in forums).

but people in forum like often not see smart people, they like to see people who are same kind and accept only same kind of theory and dont correct own mistakes. they speak about thinking out the box but are inside a small box and dont see it. many cant be objectiv and show by arguments whats wrong or true (and i dont speak about the extrem losers with videos and picture sending), its more in general. strongtrader looks ok, even when we are opposite opinion, he can tell arguments to his facts. but there are people like you , medici, ... what a waste of time.. . your sentence makes me laugh good, my reason is increase follower base :-), after you told me this i did look at my followers for first time :-). you need to have better facts, so you can not guess blind, better results will follow.
  • #839
  • Oct 2, 2017 4:26pm Oct 2, 2017 4:26pm
Guys, back to the topic. What is the underlying structure of the market?!
It could be everything or nothing. I'd guess that most here would say that the market is deterministic to some points. However, I've never seen a true proof of this (although I'd wish it would be the case). Unfortunately, I don't know any successful traders personally, so I have to rely on what I've seen in my previous analyses: In the long run the market behaves like a random process. However, in the short term it tends to form trends. Without any further knowledge on how long a trend already existed (or without any DOM background) I have to assume that at every point in time a continuation of that trend is more likely than a reversal. However, trends can be generated by random processes, too. And I guess it is hard to proof that there's really an underlying structure (since we have to focus on shorter time spans (time in our 3D world, not in markets) and thus have less data points for analyses). Maybe you may give some hints on how one can proof that market is random or not ... I've read all your statements but no proofs so far.
  • #840
  • Oct 2, 2017 4:26pm Oct 2, 2017 4:26pm
Quoting LuXing
{quote} You do seem a person who brings nothing to the table, but who likes to insult fellow traders. {image} {image} {image} Now, close your eyes and take a deep breath. {quote} I have worked for 3 years on my EA, 18/24h. Admittedly - after my last look - it has a > 90% hitrate. Like yourself, I have demo soft skills, a demo wive, demo kids and demo emotions. I trade a 6 digit demo account to pay for my demo mortgage. You really insist on telling your fellow traders what math and/or emotion should or should not play a role ? Sod off. LuXing
hmm, dont know how to help you.

you will tell me what? bring some arguments? you copy some textes,but tell me one things whats wrong with the arguments inside? you need to read ofcourse whole parts, not only some lines!

next: 90 % hirrate, wow. looks you dont know anythings about EA, mobody cares about hitrate, you have to mention much more parameters to know if this 90% is good or bad! or simple use better parameter like win, drawdown and so on, hitrate, balance, pips, all this tells not really anything.

why i should tell anything about emotion? have you problems in your trading and need advice or whats your problem excatly? for a red flaged person you are extrem, bad in bringing to the point what you want.

i cant see whats your question or do you only write to write someting without content, at the moment i think its last.
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