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  • #641
  • Sep 28, 2017 10:10am Sep 28, 2017 10:10am
Quoting MaxenshteinD
{quote} So on GBPUSD we have a 63.5% chance that the range will be less than 99. So in theory we have a 63.5% wining system if we trade reversals from the 99 range ?
Not at all. DAILY RANGE = DAILY HIGH - DAILY LOW. Once range gets to 99, it will remain at 99 unless price makes a new daily high/low. The winning system is trading away from the open until the range hits XX pips.
My Threads: Trading is as simple as 1-2-3, Highest Open / Lowest Open Trade
  • #642
  • Sep 28, 2017 10:16am Sep 28, 2017 10:16am
Quoting dukas_trader
{quote} this is crucialpoint, he is so bad in math, that same 120 pip in majors is same like his connected results in roulette. all what is connected to math, dont take to serios when crucialpoint says something about. he has really so much to learn, but he dont cares, he simple fakes all and when he cant hide any more behind his big bullshit and mistakes he runs away and tries it by coming back later when all is forgotten and restarts bullshit again. there are enough believers who trust in his shit, funny or. thats why such posers and fakers will...
Just so you know, I am not dissing on crucialpoint. It is prudent to check facts and do research when you read something on the internet/trading forums.
My Threads: Trading is as simple as 1-2-3, Highest Open / Lowest Open Trade
  • #643
  • Sep 28, 2017 10:48am Sep 28, 2017 10:48am
Quoting TooSlow
{quote} Just so you know, I am not dissing on crucialpoint. It is prudent to check facts and do research when you read something on the internet/trading forums.
i checked his facts. i corrected him often, his extrem total wrong mistakes at least. he cant discuss or stand to his arguments because he know he did wrote bullshit and cant defend it. then you will always see when he start speaking like a little baby and runs away and comes later when hopes his mistakes are forgotten and he can restart posing around with faked things.

but i cant ignore when such a faker is misleading people only because he want pose around with nothing and often bullshit. thats really crazy, we can see this ofcourse but many beginners cant and there was really some who thought he is good, unbelievable but some really did.

he always plays same game, write standard articels (with standard informations you can find in books) and hopes people believe because of this he is good and then starts writing bullshit and pose around. looks like he only has this in his life, and needs confirmation , even when its about faked things.

and i am not dissing him (if you tell a faker he is a faker its simple telling the truth about him), i dont know why he is doing this. that he is fake is 100% sure, its impossible someone with so many mistakes and math problems has 1200% minimum win each year compounding with small account. Minimum win!!! at max maybe 5000%. i dont know why he is so stupid, he cant see he is so crazy, his own calculations are stupid, so its to see in 1 second he is big fake:
in his 8 mio account (8 mio cent account ;-) ) he makes 100% in one year. man he only would need to put in 800k in his account and make his 1200% minimum and with much less effort and risk would have minimum 8 mill win , but only minimum, real he would 16 mio or 50 mio. he told to much bullshit and got trapped in his own faked numbers. even when he get less win then the 1200 it would be much more then in his 8 mio account. irony off ;-) ok because all is fake its unimportant, but so funny that people can believe in his bullshit.
  • #644
  • Sep 28, 2017 11:11am Sep 28, 2017 11:11am
CrucialPoint is Crazy
Quoting dukas_trader
... he is so crazy... so funny that people can believe in his bullshit.
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Hey Tarzan, stop calling me crazy because more people ends up subscribing to me.
Here read some more of my crazies.
  • #645
  • Edited 11:24am Sep 28, 2017 11:12am | Edited 11:24am
Quoting CrucialPoint
CrucialPoint is Crazy {quote} https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8rwsuXHA7RA
you faker have never ever arguments, only hiding behind your stupid videos and pics, like all fakers and scammers do. funny you even play this stupid that anybody see how unexperienced you are and faked near all.

you simple hope for many beginners to help you out, and you hope they cant check how much fake you are.

whats wrong with you, many told you you are with no arguments, and all your mistakes you try to hide, and then you proof all correct by all the time write without any argument and only simple useless text? even you in your simple world can check, that proofing other correct that you are a faker is not your best thing you have done

your only proof you are smart is always:" many subscribed to me, thats the proff iam ok and no fake". really???? baby, many beginners suscribed to you, i did see what they wrote, i needed to correct many of them too. so because you have only beginners misleading who follow you, you are ok? thats the problem, that you misleading so many with your bullshit and the people think its real and cant see your faking. thats the problem, not the proof you are true ;-).
you did not check how the world is in real or, only because you write many bullshit you are not good, you are still this crazy faker boy , even when you try to hide it.
  • #646
  • Sep 28, 2017 11:21am Sep 28, 2017 11:21am
Quoting strongtrader
{quote} No, for the majority that sentence is UNREAL, NOT COMPREHENSIBLE, but this is the crude truth. So, this is a clear example of what does it mean to "think different", open your mind to whatever is out of your comprehension and try to conceive what appears to be unconceivable, because over there lies the truth and the doors to a successful trading will open to you.
Hi strongtrader, i like what you post, but i hope you will do a little bit more then this.
"Think different" is a very broad concept and basically tells nothing if you don't tell "about what" in a little bit more detail.

Would you please be so kind?
Persistence will get it. Consistency will keep it.
  • #647
  • Sep 28, 2017 11:24am Sep 28, 2017 11:24am
Quoting dukas_trader
{quote} i checked his facts. i corrected him often, his extrem total wrong mistakes at least. he cant discuss or stand to his arguments because he know he did wrote bullshit and cant defend it. then you will always see when he start speaking like a little baby and runs away and comes later when hopes his mistakes are forgotten and he can restart posing around with faked things. but i cant ignore when such a faker is misleading people only because he want pose around with nothing and often bullshit. thats really crazy, we can see this ofcourse but...
Why do you hate people so much?
You are spreading hate everywhere.
Yes it is true there is "ignore" button but there is also a limit to bad behaviours. There are prisons for killers but does it mean anyone should go out and kill others? Where did you left your ethics?
Did you know that anytime you start hating someone you stop learning from that person? So are you in this forum to compare your ideas and learn or are you here to insult and do workout to your fingers on the keyboard?
You are insinuating, discrediting this or that and calling "stupid" other people.
First article of Human Rights says "All human beings are born free and equal in dignity and rights. They are endowed with reason and conscience and should act towards one another in a spirit of brotherhood."
Dignity says "The state or quality of being worthy of honor or respect."
You violated this law and you are violating it again and again.
Is this a public space? Yes it is, indeed I would see respect to each other. I hope moderators will see this and take an action. You are disrespecting others and I didn't see any warnings against you. When enough is enough, this is enough.
With your bullshit comments you are distracting anyone here, how can we compare our ideas if you act like a clown?
  • #648
  • Sep 28, 2017 11:31am Sep 28, 2017 11:31am
Quoting alexx90
{quote} Why do you hate people so much? You are spreading hate everywhere. Yes it is true there is "ignore" button but there is also a limit to bad behaviours. There are prisons for killers but does it mean anyone should go out and kill others? Where did you left your ethics? Did you know that anytime you start hating someone you stop learning from that person? So are you in this forum to compare your ideas and learn or are you here to insult and do workout to your fingers on the keyboard? You are insinuating, discrediting this or that and calling...
ok lets start teach you some ethics:

- i dont hate crucialpoint, i hate his faking and misleading people
- i dont hate you, never heard of you, but i dont like what you stand for by reading your text: you tell people, fakers are ok, dont say anything against. let them fake, steal, misleading people,..... dont try to say the truth, better let other talk bullshit and please dont correct it! so you sounds
- the world is often this bad because of people like you, standing next to other who try to help others and telling them, dont be hard to the thief, scammer, faker...... and same time you do nothing helping people not misleading by this type of persons. thats not funny, you are one of the problem in the world whats going on around, people who dont care
- ofcourse its your choise not to care, but telling other they should stop to care when a official faker is trying to bring beginner in wrong direction and fake many things, thats hard to believe.
- calling crucialpoint stupid is not this untrue, because he often writes exactly this (not only math problems, also in complete uderstanding). he cant bring arguments against anything people corrected him and only try to hide all behind his video and pics and bad textes - how you call such a person?

- i could write so much more to you, but i think you see my statement and i will stop it here.

by the way, you are exatlly this kind of person i mentioned before in my post, that could start defending crucalpoint because not realize who he is and thats what he hopes will happen, because he cant defend his arguements, because he dont have any.
  • #649
  • Sep 28, 2017 11:36am Sep 28, 2017 11:36am
Quoting dukas_trader
{quote} ok lets start teach you some ethics: - i dont hate crucialpoint, i hate his faking and misleading people - i dont hate you, never heard of you, but i dont like what you stand for by reading your text: you tell people, fakers are ok, dont say anything against. let them fake, steal, misleading people,..... dont try to say the truth, better let other talk bullshit and please dont correct it! so you sounds - the world is often this bad because of people like you, standing next to other who try to help others and telling them, dont be hard to...
If you really want to help others then:
- stop saying this is right or wrong;
- stop discrediting, insinuating;
- propose your ideas, argue them, support them with objective evidences;
- let others decide if it is right or wrong with their mind.
It is so easy but seems you can't even do this simple thing.
  • #650
  • Sep 28, 2017 11:37am Sep 28, 2017 11:37am
Quoting TooSlow
{quote} Not at all. DAILY RANGE = DAILY HIGH - DAILY LOW. Once range gets to 99, it will remain at 99 unless price makes a new daily high/low. The winning system is trading away from the open until the range hits XX pips.
1) The current daily closing price can easily change (which is what we are trading) and can go lower/higher from the daily range boundaries
2) If the wining system is trading away from the open, then why are you trading reversals from the daily high/low in your 123 strategy ?
The truth is hidden from you
  • #651
  • Sep 28, 2017 11:39am Sep 28, 2017 11:39am
Here is my suggestion: Let's continue with the discussion on the concept of reference points. Those who believe that others are fakers may rather contribute and explain their view of these things. How do you trade as simple as possible (k.i.s.s.)? How do you incorporate reference points in your strategy? I think I've also proved that the concept of reference points won't work in roulette games in the way CrucialPoint described it. However, I try to understand the concept in regards to forex.
  • #652
  • Sep 28, 2017 11:47am Sep 28, 2017 11:47am
Quoting dukas_trader
{quote} last part was about even complicated things can be simple, when you let calculate it by computer and presented the results in a table (in what ever trading platform or own program). first part was about, there are important calculation (like this 2 examples), that are not easy done, but why i should not do this important stuff that improves trading extrem, only because its complicated calculated? most you do one time programming, then its simple, because all complicated is inside the program part. now possible to understand?
Chrystal clear, thks.
Well this is the point: it is not that you should avoid complicated calculations because they are complicated but because they do not give any true edge.
You don't need calculations at all, all that you need is to comprehend the logic.
Again, trading is simple, easy to do and almost boring, so whatever complicated thoughts you might have are not coherent with simplicity, therefore they will bring you no where.
At the begining I've been working with around 50 different systems, fancy indicators, fancy algorithms and there was nothing working; once I understood my stuff, I've been able to trade whatever I'd like to trade, using naked charts or one of those 50 systems I put in my archieve; everything I may load on a chart does work.

There are some basic public teachings that take people on the wrong side:
the way how to use indicators is wrong;
the way how to use TA is wrong;
the way how to use stop losses is wrong;
money management does make no sense on its own, indeed they all lose their balance although they have a good MM; MM is only a piece of something much bigger that is risk management: no one talks about it.
  • #653
  • Sep 28, 2017 11:50am Sep 28, 2017 11:50am
Quoting alexx90
{quote} If you really want to help others then: - stop saying this is right or wrong; - stop discrediting, insinuating; - propose your ideas, argue them, support them with objective evidences; - let others decide if it is right or wrong with their mind. It is so easy but seems you can't even do this simple thing.
you are joking!
- stop saying this is right or wrong
--> where i do this, tell me!!!! i can say crucialpoint is wrong and faker, but tell me other point where i say it and its not true, and bring me argeuments because its not treu and i tell you why it was true!

- stop discrediting, insinuating
--> against fakers and thiefs and scammers i shall stop saying they are exactly that. man you are really here to try to defend such people, you look more like a scammer second account then. my ethics are a little bit deeper then yours, so impossible to compare me with you and i hope i will never be this kind a person in future.

- propose your ideas, argue them, support them with objective evidences;
--> if you would not write your unethic text and read some posts from me, then you see i tell you always objetive (or try to) and bring always arguments. so your point is near worthless,

- let others decide if it is right or wrong with their mind
--> ofcourse they should decide, but look at you, you even defend a faker and it really looks like you cant see that he is a faker because you are very beginner. i only try to tell people why he is a faker and ofcourse you can decide if he is or not. on the end always people are resonsible for their future and decisions. more then a help is impossible, but the differnet between us: i try to help, you try to stand and do nothing (only true when you did see he is a faker, if you cant see because you are new in trading then you defend simple things you dont know about, also not best way)

what ever, i dont say anything against you, all is fine, but really: dont attack people who try to help to see a faker as what he is. or you will look like someone who cant see or simple want protect fakers.
  • #654
  • Sep 28, 2017 11:50am Sep 28, 2017 11:50am
Quoting AntiCre
Here is my suggestion: Let's continue with the discussion on the concept of reference points. Those who believe that others are fakers may rather contribute and explain their view of these things. How do you trade as simple as possible (k.i.s.s.)? How do you incorporate reference points in your strategy? I think I've also proved that the concept of reference points won't work in roulette games in the way CrucialPoint described it. However, I try to understand the concept in regards to forex.
Sure...
What if we use the open-low, open-high and low-high ranges.
For example we expect the low-high range to be 100 pips.
The 100 pips have to be distributed somehow between OL and OH.
The less goes in to the OL, the more goes into an OH.
Which would make the day more bullish rather than bearish.
The truth is hidden from you
  • #655
  • Sep 28, 2017 11:52am Sep 28, 2017 11:52am
Quoting dukas_trader
{quote} you are joking! - stop saying this is right or wrong --> where i do this, tell me!!!! i can say crucialpoint is wrong and faker, but tell me other point where i say it and its not true, and bring me argeuments because its not treu and i tell you why it was true! - stop discrediting, insinuating --> against fakers and thiefs and scammers i shall stop saying they are exactly that. man you are really here to try to defend such people, you look more like a scammer second account then. my ethics are a little bit deeper then yours, so impossible...
Why don't you use your energy for Gurus with paid private forum subscriptions ?
Heres one - J16
The truth is hidden from you
  • #656
  • Sep 28, 2017 11:56am Sep 28, 2017 11:56am
Quoting strongtrader
the way how to use indicators is wrong; the way how to use TA is wrong; the way how to use stop losses is wrong; money management does make no sense on its own, indeed they all lose their balance although they have a good MM; MM is only a piece of something much bigger that is risk management: no one talks about it.
Maybe you will start talking about it. What do you mean by "the way how to use indicators is wrong"? Do you mean something sell if stochastic is at 100 level? I think that's quite obvious. Stochastics, ZigZag, CylceIdentifier, Semaphors, Donchian Channels are all related and just show one thing: Break outs. Or do you mean something different?
  • #657
  • Sep 28, 2017 12:01pm Sep 28, 2017 12:01pm
Quoting strongtrader
{quote} Chrystal clear, thks. Well this is the point: it is not that you should avoid complicated calculations because they are complicated but because they do not give any true edge. You don't need calculations at all, all that you need is to comprehend the logic. Again, trading is simple, easy to do and almost boring, so whatever complicated thoughts you might have are not coherent with simplicity, therefore they will bring you no where. At the begining I've been working with around 50 different systems, fancy indicators, fancy algorithms and...
difficult.

when you start trading and first years your text could be correct and often it is more easy to do your way.

but after some years you learn, that with some complex calculations your return gets so extrem better, your risk get much smaller and then win/drawdown is so much higher if you do it more complex calculated. you program it one time, and have it for the future.
by starting i had 1 trading system, now there are so many. but i dont have the many systems because the first did not work, its because with each system i trade short term and i get after some time to the maximum possible volume i can trade with it or the increased spreads because of the volume reduce my chance/risk values to much. so it needs to add one more systems to let the rest volume run in the market, and if you use many systems, you need systems to hold all systems in line , so that you have at max values in correlated direction to a maximum value that you can come out the market with "ok" spread and slippge if there is some bigger event .

and all needs to be in correct correlation to mid term and long term trading and risk need often be changed by exchanging forex trades with options or add on with options for SL parts to hold all predefined values. all this sounds maybe complicated, but its not more easy possible if you want good high profits with an higher trading amount.

there are so many things calculatable, you would be wondering. ofcourse i dont calculate things, that dont have an edge with this, this would be stupid. forex is to 90% a pure math game, sounds wrong but its not. and when you ever did come to trading volume that changes your own entries because it was to high done, then you will change your mind extrem, that with simple calculation you are finished.

so, many words in short: for starting and beginning years, your kiss method can work very good ,later it will work if you are satisfied with lower percent win, if you want hold the high percent win you need to do it much more complicated. and i only did wrote about small parts what need to be done. if you dont trade intraday your kiss method can work a much much longer time even without any problems.
  • #658
  • Sep 28, 2017 12:08pm Sep 28, 2017 12:08pm
Back to the thread.
Someone said that trading is a game where you pay the house to play against other opponents (maybe agains the house itself). I do agree.
When you trade first you pay the house and the remaining is your profit.
Whenever you open a trade you are always in deficiency. You are negative.
A 50% win rate will not save you from this deficiency. Trade management will not save you with a 50% win rate.
You should, and you can, flip the edge on your side. It means that you should be on the right side of the market enough times. You open a trade and price moves in your favor.
Even if you are working in an environment that you can't control (the market) you can still move the needle.
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  • #659
  • Sep 28, 2017 12:14pm Sep 28, 2017 12:14pm
Quoting Chake
{quote} Hi strongtrader, i like what you post, but i hope you will do a little bit more then this. "Think different" is a very broad concept and basically tells nothing if you don't tell "about what" in a little bit more detail. Would you please be so kind?
That's true, it is a very broad topic this one.
It is about our mind and how it has been educated since our childhood and how our mind does work; a few have been so lucky to be born from parents that were already on the right way, the majority, and I've been one of those, will have to start from ground zero.
"Think different" is a famous sentence coming from Steve Jobs, he was really a "think different" man, you could learn a lot reading his biography.
The good news is that on the web you can find a lot of material, most part is even free; the bad news is that it will be a long walk and there are no shortcuts if you want to be a true trader, however this stuff will change your all life, is not only about trading but it is an amazing journey.
You can start from trading psychology and you will find the rabbit hole: thereafter you will have to open the door and go deep inside in it.
Would you like to know what the rabbit hole is? go back to see "Alice in wonderland", there is a lot to learn from that film
  • #660
  • Sep 28, 2017 12:14pm Sep 28, 2017 12:14pm
Quoting alexx90
Back to the thread. Someone said that trading is a game where you pay the house to play against other opponents (maybe agains the house itself). I do agree. When you trade first you pay the house and the remaining is your profit. Whenever you open a trade you are always in deficiency. You are negative. A 50% win rate will not save you from this deficiency. Trade management will not save you with a 50% win rate. You should, and you can, flip the edge on your side. It means that you should be on the right side of the market enough times. You open...
thats true, but you have to think different:

all you say is correct with the 50% winrate , when you always trade same currency with same trading amount and same takeprofit and same stoploss and dont come over the rollover time.
if only one thing is changed the result is different. trading system is more complex, entry is only one small part of it.

and very important, the win rate is normally total unimportant. i have never looked at it, because all this numbers are inside the win/drawdown calculation. many different systems with different winrates can have extrem different results. best is you use only numbers that are always compareable between all trading systems.

like win, drawdown in money or best percent of equity.
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