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  • #9,621
  • Edited 5:47pm Sep 27, 2017 5:02pm | Edited 5:47pm
Quoting Stu Effex
{quote} That guy has been researching this matter for 20+years and a fellow of the chartered institute of bankers so I make some assumptions that he knows a thing or two. The government did prop up the banks whilst many companies were allowed to go to the wall during the crash. I don't know of any nationalised company that still has shareholders. Setting monetary policy is power wouldn't you say ? Especially when that policy is shared with private interests. I really don't know enough about it, like most things shrouded in secrecy it's tough to...
Regardless of his experience he has some basic facts wrong though. I didn't provide links above, so I will go back and reference them so you can see for yourself.

edit - so references added now.

There is somewhere online where you can access the archives of the Bank of England and view the holders of the Bank of England stock before it was nationalised. Can't remember where I found it, or what year it was, but I looked for the Rothschild and they weren't on it - though that probably means very little.
  • #9,622
  • Sep 28, 2017 1:27am Sep 28, 2017 1:27am
Quoting jarhead
{quote} It's been my opinion for some time that Woodrow Wilson and LBJ have pushed us into socialism than the rest combined.
You are probably right! Like they are the ones responsible for opening pandora's box by releasing pestilence and enslavement.

This new Tax Code Reform seems rather suspicious to me! Why? Because the very same people who supported TPP are the same ones who are behind this Bills authoring.
  • #9,623
  • Sep 28, 2017 1:29am Sep 28, 2017 1:29am
Quoting Stu Effex
..... The government did prop up the banks whilst many companies were allowed to go to the wall during the crash. ....
Gordon FW Brown's saving grace is that he recognised the severity of the crash and got together with world financiers to keep global trade and inter-bank transfers going. After Lehman Bros the international banking scene froze, complete atrophy. We, the developed world, were within inches of the cliff-edge. The general public never knew....
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  • #9,624
  • Sep 28, 2017 1:33am Sep 28, 2017 1:33am
https://youtu.be/R0zA0DT7fN8
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  • #9,625
  • Sep 28, 2017 1:35am Sep 28, 2017 1:35am
This morning's most interesting death.....

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/sep/27/paul-horner-dead-fake-news-trump
Carbon-Dioxide: the gas of life! https://youtu.be/ttJBdr6eBuo
  • #9,626
  • Sep 28, 2017 1:36am Sep 28, 2017 1:36am
My eye caught this article today, and it seems rather disingenuous on the facts! This ruling is not levied against Ireland as it is suggesting, but Canada and the Montreal based affiliate. Screw May! No wait! I wouldn't do that even with someone else's you know what! I had my suspicions of her from the beginning, now I know why! Anybody thinking that someone who was once in the remain camp is going to have an about face turn around and put her countries interests first before her own is now mistaken. Just goes to show once again once a Leopard always a Leopard, the spots don't change just the meal that it eats! Then again why use the animal leopard for such analogies, for they are truly magnificent creatures, a distinction that has no association with the former!

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/09/27/theresa-may-threatens-us-withtrade-war-bombardier-row/

http://www.cbc.ca/news/business/bombardier-cseries-duty-1.4308590

"U.S. aerospace manufacture Boeing filed an unfair trade complaint against Canadian aerospace company Bombardier stating the Canadian government was subsidizing the manufacturing of 100- to 150-seat large civil aircraft. Canada does subsidize their airline manufacturing, everyone knows this is true! Even Canadians admit this to be true! Imagine the irony of this!"


U.S. Commerce Department Announcement (https://www.commerce.gov/news/press-releases/2017/09/us-department-commerce-issues-affirmative-preliminary-countervailing-1):
Today, U.S. Secretary of Commerce Wilbur Ross announced the affirmative preliminary determination in the countervailing duty (CVD) investigation of 100- to 150-seat large civil aircraft from Canada, finding that exporters of this merchandise received countervailable subsidies of 219.63 percent.
The Commerce Department will instruct U.S. Customs and Border Protection to collect cash deposits from importers of 100- to 150-seat large civil aircraft based on these preliminary rates.
“The U.S. values its relationships with Canada, but even our closest allies must play by the rules,” said Secretary Ross. “The subsidization of goods by foreign governments is something that the Trump Administration takes very seriously, and we will continue to evaluate and verify the accuracy of this preliminary determination.”

Although Canadian civil aircraft subject to this investigation have not yet been imported, an April 2016 press release announcing the sale of Canadian civil aircraft to a U.S. airline valued the order to be in excess of $5 billion.
  • #9,627
  • Sep 28, 2017 1:38am Sep 28, 2017 1:38am
Not sure what to say about this one! I am sure Verve will correct the record as questioning the source! Perhaps it is warranted, but still does enough to pause and ponder what is being said here.

https://freepressmatters.blogspot.sg/
  • #9,628
  • Sep 28, 2017 1:40am Sep 28, 2017 1:40am
Quoting Exodus
{quote} Gordon FW Brown's saving grace is that he recognised the severity of the crash and got together with world financiers to keep global trade and inter-bank transfers going. After Lehman Bros the international banking scene froze, complete atrophy. We, the developed world, were within inches of the cliff-edge. The general public never knew....
Yes it kept interbank business going but many businesses were left high and dry by the same banks that received the bailout.
If I recall those banks were earning more parking the cash overnight (bailout cash in overnight).
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  • #9,629
  • Sep 28, 2017 2:01am Sep 28, 2017 2:01am
Quoting jarhead
{quote} I am so hurt -- full head of brownish grey hair, full beard (grey and trimmed) for 42 years. Never thought of it as a fly trap!
You get a lot of flies in the summer on your car windscreen at 60mph. The cyclists go down the mountains at that speed. You wouldn't stick a lump of fluff on your windscreen would you?

Now this is quite gross - I have had flies stuck to my teeth when out running!
  • #9,630
  • Sep 28, 2017 2:08am Sep 28, 2017 2:08am
Quoting DrManhatten
My eye caught this article today, and it seems rather disingenuous on the facts! This ruling is not levied against Ireland as it is suggesting, but Canada and the Montreal based affiliate. Screw May! No wait! I wouldn't do that even with someone else's you know what! I had my suspicions of her from the beginning, now I know why! Anybody thinking that someone who was once in the remain camp is going to have an about face turn around and put her countries interests first before her own is now mistaken. Just goes to show once again once a Leopard always...
I said it first about May!! She should never have been PM. Only got the job by default because others dropped out and Boris got stabbed in the back by Gove. The job should have been Boris'. So it's all Gove's fault that we're in the shit.

When she went to see Trump and he held her hand, I was hopeful that I was wrong and he could have talked some sense into her. But as usual, my worst predictions come true...
  • #9,631
  • Sep 28, 2017 2:31am Sep 28, 2017 2:31am
Quoting verv
{quote} Regardless of his experience he has some basic facts wrong though. I didn't provide links above, so I will go back and reference them so you can see for yourself. edit - so references added now. There is somewhere online where you can access the archives of the Bank of England and view the holders of the Bank of England stock before it was nationalised. Can't remember where I found it, or what year it was, but I looked for the Rothschild and they weren't on it - though that probably means very little.
Thanks for references Verv, I suppose it comes down to accepting/or not what "They" tell us. BBC and .Gov aren't going to put a match under themselves. Even a so called independent audit would likely say all is squeaky clean.
The only reference I can find is the obvious one when Nathan Rothschild took control in 1811/12 ish after he crashed the stock market.
It would be interesting to see the Land Registry entry for the Threadneedle Street Property.
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  • #9,632
  • Sep 28, 2017 2:36am Sep 28, 2017 2:36am
Will he get them back in ?

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/transport/sadiq-khan-my-doors-open-for-talks-with-ubers-global-boss-but-not-arrogant-uk-execs-a3643756.html
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  • #9,633
  • Sep 28, 2017 2:36am Sep 28, 2017 2:36am
Quoting Stu Effex
{quote} Yes it kept interbank business going but many businesses were left high and dry by the same banks that received the bailout. If I recall those banks were earning more parking the cash overnight (bailout cash in overnight).
I'm talking pre-bail-out. The instant loss of faith between banks meant that all payment systems were in jeopardy. Credit cards, the staple money source of retail, would have ceased to function when e.g. Barclays cannot accept the implied debt on a transaction because it is cleared through Citi or somebody. Import and Export businesses (food and oil to us) rely on escrow which in turn relies on bank-A trusting bank-B. Lehman was protesting that it was Ok right up until 12 hours before the collapse.

Bailout .... some people should have gone to jail. Fred Goodwin for one, IMHO. Others in Lehmans also, from what I have perceived. In a recent TV program it was revealed that the Northern Rock with its 125% mortgages was referring clients who failed financial testing to Lehman Bros, who arranged alternative loans, packaged them up in SIVs and sold them back to Northern Rock and others. The Ratings Agencies, another bunch of rogues, who labelled the resultant SIVs as Investment Grade.....

We are still recovering from the mess which grew out of the lax supervision endorsed by the world's political systems.
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  • #9,634
  • Sep 28, 2017 2:39am Sep 28, 2017 2:39am
Quoting jen101
{quote} I said it first about May!! She should never have been PM. Only got the job by default because others dropped out and Boris got stabbed in the back by Gove. The job should have been Boris'. So it's all Gove's fault that we're in the shit. When she went to see Trump and he held her hand, I was hopeful that I was wrong and he could have talked some sense into her. But as usual, my worst predictions come true...
Gove did us a favour. Boris wasn't ready for the top job. Hopefully his 'education' in the foreign office will polish his skill-set.
Carbon-Dioxide: the gas of life! https://youtu.be/ttJBdr6eBuo
  • #9,635
  • Sep 28, 2017 2:47am Sep 28, 2017 2:47am
EU ADMITS UK PAYS 26% - 57% MORE THAN REMAIN CLAIMED

http://facts4eu.org/news_sep2_2017.shtml#go2
  • #9,636
  • Sep 28, 2017 3:32am Sep 28, 2017 3:32am
Quoting Devauxt
EU ADMITS UK PAYS 26% - 57% MORE THAN REMAIN CLAIMED http://facts4eu.org/news_sep2_2017.shtml#go2
I never did manage to get a certain person to understand that... I tried - I did really, really try. Now even the EU admit it. So the battle bus was still slightly high, but right then!
  • #9,637
  • Sep 28, 2017 4:11am Sep 28, 2017 4:11am
Quoting nbfx
{quote} I never did manage to get a certain person to understand that... I tried - I did really, really try. Now even the EU admit it. So the battle bus was still slightly high, but right then!
No, the battle bus was wrong, it was out by a mile
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  • #9,638
  • Sep 28, 2017 4:13am Sep 28, 2017 4:13am
Quoting nbfx
{quote} I never did manage to get a certain person to understand that... I tried - I did really, really try. Now even the EU admit it. So the battle bus was still slightly high, but right then!
And the cost of the following has never been factored in either
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  • #9,639
  • Sep 28, 2017 6:07am Sep 28, 2017 6:07am
Quoting Devauxt
{quote} And the cost of the following has never been factored in either {image}
Wow - I knew it was bad but didn't realise how bad...
  • #9,640
  • Sep 28, 2017 6:15am Sep 28, 2017 6:15am
Quoting Exodus
This morning's most interesting death..... https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/sep/27/paul-horner-dead-fake-news-trump
Don't know bout the gay part, but based on his actions I think it quite possible bammer was Muslim -- he was raised as one as a child. It is fact that the Clinton campaign and the Soros crowd paid demonstrators to riot at Trump rally's and other functions.
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