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  • #9,541
  • Sep 25, 2017 10:02am Sep 25, 2017 10:02am
Quoting jen101
So how many of you have a beer belly? Where's the 8 pack?! https://youtu.be/p-H9yyHwuXw https://youtu.be/kVIORDAofn8
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  • #9,542
  • Sep 25, 2017 11:21am Sep 25, 2017 11:21am
Quoting AlexC
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Very good.
  • #9,543
  • Sep 25, 2017 1:41pm Sep 25, 2017 1:41pm
Quoting verv
{quote} The BoE disagrees with that guy: http://edu.bankofengland.co.uk/knowledgebank/who-owns-the-bank-of-england/
They would. Strange that if the government own B.o.E why they buy approx 25% of their own debt in gilts.
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  • #9,544
  • Sep 25, 2017 4:05pm Sep 25, 2017 4:05pm
Quoting Stu Effex
{quote} I would say yes Jim, although prior to EU membership we did have various immigration acts and did have immigration episodes which did cause issues during the 60's but nothing on the scale of where we are at now but if we think of it like coastal erosion it gives a clearer picture. It's been happening for decades but the more unstable the cliffs become the more you notice that the building close to the cliff edge is about to fall into the sea. I personally noticed something was wrong in 1991 when I went to a library in Tower Hamlets that...
Good analogy. Thanks. I started noticing adverse changes in the US in the early 70's.
Defending Truth, Capitalism and the US Constitution
  • #9,545
  • Sep 25, 2017 4:14pm Sep 25, 2017 4:14pm
Quoting Exodus
{quote} Personally .... I think the immigration problems were caused by two things. a) some fuck-wits bombed the hell out of Iraq, smashed their social infrastructure ... and just moved out.
First error made was disbanding their military. Second was believing you can change thousands of years of traditions and beliefs to conform with your own. Third was not comprehending something would fill the void. Problem was, 911 created a situation that demanded action. Problem was, our senior military had become bureaucrats, not warriors and not understanding strategy before, during and after a action. That being said, the crusaders understood the basic problem -- kill cockroaches before they infest you. We as a society have not learned that lesson.
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  • #9,546
  • Sep 25, 2017 5:04pm Sep 25, 2017 5:04pm
Quoting jarhead
{quote} Second was believing you can change thousands of years of traditions and beliefs to conform with your own.
Correct these things evolve slowly: Germany after WW1 was given a democracy and told to make it work, they drifted back to the historical norm of a having a strong leader, which did work for them for a time.
After WW2 (which helped sort the issue of who actually won WW1 which like the Korean war ended in an armistice as opposed to a decisive winner/loser) the Marshal plan helped to win hearts and minds, it seems in Iraqi there is no Marshal plan equivalent, that could help sweeten the pill of change.
  • #9,547
  • Edited 5:53pm Sep 25, 2017 5:40pm | Edited 5:53pm
Quoting Stu Effex
{quote} They would. Strange that if the government own B.o.E why they buy approx 25% of their own debt in gilts.
It's a way they can control interest rates that the government pays on bonds. They 'print' money, buy government bonds pushing down the rate, and then retire the 'printed' money when the bonds are paid down. Nothing particularly sinister about that.

Ownership of the BoE and the Fed has long interested me.
  • #9,548
  • Sep 26, 2017 1:52am Sep 26, 2017 1:52am
Quoting Stu Effex
{quote} They would. Strange that if the government own B.o.E why they buy approx 25% of their own debt in gilts.
The BoE has been very careful to say that they only buy government securities in the secondary market, allegedly to bolster the commercial banks. The fact that it is a very short route from HMG --> {a.n.other bank} --> BoE has been down-played IMHO, although the BoE did not start this practice until 2008 I believe.

The BoE used to have a museum at 'The Bank' where the original charter was on display, and if you have seen it I bet the scribe of the day got a slap....
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  • #9,549
  • Sep 26, 2017 2:09am Sep 26, 2017 2:09am
Quoting jarhead
.... Problem was, 911 created a situation that demanded action....
You missed out the part about how Saddam drew the short straw. I think you and I are both aware of things happening at the time which were used to 'justify' the invasion. Reports and sound-bites from various sources have since revealed that the whole thing was a massive advertising campaign. Also the reason why the British Chilcott Report was so delayed in publication seems to be due to the revelation of the apparent collusion between Tony Blair and George D Bush. Even the current POTUS said that Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11

So the new question is: how long until the US invades Venezuela?


Quoting qp2
.... which like the Korean war ended in an armistice as opposed to a decisive winner/loser ....
I will research a bit more (sometime). My understanding is that there was no formal ending of hostilities in Korea, and therefore technically the US is still at war with PDRK.
Carbon-Dioxide: the gas of life! https://youtu.be/ttJBdr6eBuo
  • #9,550
  • Sep 26, 2017 2:09am Sep 26, 2017 2:09am
Quoting jen101
So how many of you have a beer belly? Where's the 8 pack?! https://youtu.be/p-H9yyHwuXw https://youtu.be/kVIORDAofn8
Nick Clegg said that as the last EU referendum was neck and neck, if we were to have another one, Remain would win because many of the leavers would have died off.

Go on, bury your heads and guts in the sand! I think Nick Clegg could be right! No point talking about healthy eating! Just get out there and burn that fat!! Last night I watched an 87 year old do a triathlon and he wasn't slow either. To fight a battle you need to be battle fit. Who's battle fit?
  • #9,551
  • Sep 26, 2017 2:11am Sep 26, 2017 2:11am
Quoting verv
{quote} It's a way they can control interest rates that the government pays on bonds. They 'print' money, buy government bonds pushing down the rate, and then retire the 'printed' money when the bonds are paid down. Nothing particularly sinister about that. Ownership of the BoE and the Fed has long interested me.
It interests me too Verv and if you have any good sources please share. I believe this is where the "REAL" power lies. If it's all under one roof why go through the charade ? I just don't get it ? Government pay the interest on the bonds bought by BoE to the BoE , yes/no ? So money leaves our treasury to pay interest on effectively a loan and it stays in house. So on one side of the ledger it leaves as money out then the B.o.E book it back in as an entry ?
Once You See, You Can't Unsee But You Will Get The Odd Poke In The Eye
  • #9,552
  • Sep 26, 2017 2:15am Sep 26, 2017 2:15am
Quoting Exodus
{quote} The BoE has been very careful to say that they only buy government securities in the secondary market, allegedly to bolster the commercial banks. The fact that it is a very short route from HMG --> {a.n.other bank} --> BoE has been down-played IMHO, although the BoE did not start this practice until 2008 I believe. The BoE used to have a museum at 'The Bank' where the original charter was on display, and if you have seen it I bet the scribe of the day got a slap....
Cheers EX just replied to Verv on same topic. I haven't been able to find anywhere how much was paid to shareholders when supposedly nationalised in 1946. Read that they (British Government) could not afford to pay shareholders at the time and some other arrangement made which I'm not sure about.
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  • #9,553
  • Sep 26, 2017 2:39am Sep 26, 2017 2:39am
Very interesting what this guy achieved

https://youtu.be/dbku5XULgIA
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  • #9,554
  • Sep 26, 2017 2:42am Sep 26, 2017 2:42am
Quoting jen101
{quote} Nick Clegg said that as the last EU referendum was neck and neck, if we were to have another one, Remain would win because many of the leavers would have died off. Go on, bury your heads and guts in the sand! I think Nick Clegg could be right! No point talking about healthy eating! Just get out there and burn that fat!! Last night I watched an 87 year old do a triathlon and he wasn't slow either. To fight a battle you need to be battle fit. Who's battle fit?
Who is burying head and gut in sand ? You
want some photo's from us wrinkly chaps ?
Once You See, You Can't Unsee But You Will Get The Odd Poke In The Eye
  • #9,555
  • Sep 26, 2017 3:13am Sep 26, 2017 3:13am
Quoting Exodus
{quote} I will research a bit more (sometime). My understanding is that there was no formal ending of hostilities in Korea, and therefore technically the US is still at war with PDRK.
correct or in other words an armistice or no decisive winner /loser ...its one of those things that seem like a good idea at the time but in hindsight guess what...?
  • #9,556
  • Edited 3:41am Sep 26, 2017 3:17am | Edited 3:41am
Quoting jarhead
{quote} Good analogy. Thanks. I started noticing adverse changes in the US in the early 70's.
A friend of mine sent this to me today and I thought I share it with you.

https://lovelyd24.wordpress.com/

The 343rd M-PAD Unit (Pittsburgh) I hung out with in Iraq, a lot of steelers fans, and I now wonder what they are thinking now!
  • #9,557
  • Sep 26, 2017 3:19am Sep 26, 2017 3:19am
Quoting qp2
{quote} correct or in other words an armistice or no decisive winner /loser ...its one of those things that seem like a good idea at the time but in hindsight guess what...?

It was no secret that China joined in that conflict to the aide of NK to help push back US and SK forces, other wise NK would have lost.
  • #9,558
  • Sep 26, 2017 3:29am Sep 26, 2017 3:29am
Quoting Exodus
{quote} You missed out the part about how Saddam drew the short straw. I think you and I are both aware of things happening at the time which were used to 'justify' the invasion. Reports and sound-bites from various sources have since revealed that the whole thing was a massive advertising campaign. Also the reason why the British Chilcott Report was so delayed in publication seems to be due to the revelation of the apparent collusion between Tony Blair and George D Bush. Even the current POTUS said that Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11 So the new...

Aside from the fact of all the things you just pointed out, the real tragedy was the actions of Paul Bremer and co. that caused much of the chaos after the invasion. In reality, it would have been done and over within a few months, but disbanding a million man army whose livelihoods depended on it to feed and support their families as well as not securing the ammunitions depot, was the catalyst that cost a lot of US lives. Really one has to wonder if it was all by design and intentional in the first place to allow big mulitnational corporations such as Haliburton to feed at the trough of defense contracts to fleece the American Tax payer. They didn't even stop the looting, as we were all aware that the Marines and Army could have handled security detail to stabilize infrastructure at the time with no problem. Iraqi's are cool people, and most were welcoming to us, but we did them a great disservice when that one decision became a major miscalculation in the war for hearts and minds. FUBAR!
  • #9,559
  • Sep 26, 2017 3:30am Sep 26, 2017 3:30am
For Evaluation Purposes.... Jumping To Conclusions ? Many Coincidences ? Bang On The Money ? You decide

https://youtu.be/chzssrvAYDg
Once You See, You Can't Unsee But You Will Get The Odd Poke In The Eye
  • #9,560
  • Sep 26, 2017 4:16am Sep 26, 2017 4:16am
Quoting Stu Effex
{quote} Who is burying head and gut in sand ? You want some photo's from us wrinkly chaps ?
Age is no excuse!
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