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  • #9,401
  • Sep 21, 2017 9:22pm Sep 21, 2017 9:22pm
Quoting Stu Effex
{quote} Who will be left to send money for the "Children need clean water appeals". We have largely been a country of frogs on a slow boil, it's not surprising as there is always so much other distraction crap that goes on most just don't notice the juggernaut steaming on through. As for what can be done, I think you and every other sane individual knows we are reaching a stage of eat or be eaten.
Ah, so in the UK families are discouraged because they will be taxed to death. That is interesting. They have a marriage penalty here in the USA also.
If you are good at something, never do it for free--Joker
  • #9,402
  • Sep 22, 2017 2:04am Sep 22, 2017 2:04am
Quoting jen101
https://youtu.be/4oyoOT6nnC4
Nige has always managed to make them all appear more stupid than the home guard from Warminster On Sea !
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  • #9,403
  • Sep 22, 2017 2:07am Sep 22, 2017 2:07am
Quoting jmn5611
{quote} Ah, so in the UK families are discouraged because they will be taxed to death. That is interesting. They have a marriage penalty here in the USA also.
Good news on that front, is that particular tax will be abolished in the new Tax reform bill. (of course that is dependent on it passing) but at least this is being included in new proposals. The US needs another baby boom and a return to family values.
  • #9,404
  • Sep 22, 2017 2:16am Sep 22, 2017 2:16am
Quoting spzd
China is caving to US demands. Hmmm...Who said this was coming? China the great Nork enabler is bending to US pressure. hehehehehe https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2017/09/21/oh-my-text-of-president-trump-executive-order-on-sanctions-to-north-korea/
China is also the master of deception.

Quoting spzd
"No-one in the media has yet to fully grasp the Trump Doctrine’ as it pertains to leveraging the scale and influence of the U.S. economy, all aspects, to gain national security outcomes. This is what happens when a non-politician, a problem solver, becomes U.S. President." https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2017/09/21/u-s-ambassador-to-u-n-nikki-haley-press-conference/
"No-one in the media has yet to fully grasp the Trump Doctrine" I read this fragment and decided the author was drunk. I believe it should have been written "No-one in the media has fully grasped the Trump Doctrine"
Carbon-Dioxide: the gas of life! https://youtu.be/ttJBdr6eBuo
  • #9,405
  • Sep 22, 2017 2:19am Sep 22, 2017 2:19am
Quoting jarhead
Hope everyone is doing great and lots of green pips. Been really busy. Someone having to stay with my mom now and it's been me 8 of the last 11 days till we get schedule worked out. Having to use my phone as a hotspot to trade every morning but no net other than that. ...
Peace to you bro, and strength in your hour of need.
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  • #9,406
  • Sep 22, 2017 2:22am Sep 22, 2017 2:22am
Quoting jmn5611
{quote} I was hoping you would engage. Men are commitmentphobes because it is a bad deal in many cases. Men, at least in the USA can get destroyed in family court for no other reason that the woman no longer wants to be with him. She can do this for no reason at all. Not adultery or drug addiction. Not neglect or abuse. She can simply decide to walk away. When she does, she walks away with the kids, the house, and in many states if it has been a decade, alimony for life. What man would want to do that? That's insane. The other part of the problem...
It is more or less exactly the same here. Plus we have additional anti family laws that other countries don't have, like the tax situation I spoke of earlier. There is no incentive to get married. You will be worse off. If you do get as far as getting married and having a child, there is the pressure to dump your new born baby at a nursery and go back to work.... so the government can reap more taxes from you, plus from the childcare providers too. Moral of the story, don't marry a loser and have your children end up delinquent because you can't afford to be around for them.

Our culture is not very child friendly. There are a lot of child haters! The difference is very apparent when going to a Catholic country where kids are not just tolerated, but life revolves around the family.
  • #9,407
  • Sep 22, 2017 2:24am Sep 22, 2017 2:24am
Quoting Exodus
{quote} China is also the master of deception. {quote} "No-one in the media has yet to fully grasp the Trump Doctrine" I read this fragment and decided the author was drunk. I believe it should have been written "No-one in the media has fully grasped the Trump Doctrine"
They are but the jig is up when it comes to US and China trade policies. NAFTA in particular is one in which they have been getting away with highway robbery due to outdated loopholes that are now being addressed. China has exploited almost every country that does trade with them, and are very astute at discovering weaknesses in policies that allows them to skirt paying export tariffs.
  • #9,408
  • Sep 22, 2017 2:25am Sep 22, 2017 2:25am
Quoting jmn5611
{quote} Ah, so in the UK families are discouraged because they will be taxed to death. That is interesting. They have a marriage penalty here in the USA also.
It's not just taxation, I think women have felt great social pressure because of certain political movements attaching stigma to wanting to stay home and raise a family. I honestly don't believe there are as many women as they say out there that want to be corporate juggernauts, they have just rolled with the fashion. I think if more was done in the early days to recognise that raising kids and keeping a stable home is a bloody difficult job in itself but many started to look down their noses at stay at home mums and the rot set in, again don't think this was an accident. Then ( in most cases) came the absolute need for both parents to get out and work to be able to afford to keep a roof over their heads, again no accident that financially 1 person used to be able to stay home with the kids but now that is rare as hens teeth.
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  • #9,409
  • Sep 22, 2017 2:35am Sep 22, 2017 2:35am
Quoting jmn5611
{quote} I was hoping you would engage. Men are commitmentphobes because it is a bad deal in many cases. Men, at least in the USA can get destroyed in family court for no other reason that the woman no longer wants to be with him. ..... The other part of the problem in the USA is that many women have been conditioned to pursue a career and then a husband. By this time they are nearly 40. That is very late biologically to have children.
The same nearly happened here. These days in the UK (I confess not being up to date on these matters) the law provides for the children to be looked-after, which may include a necessity for the mother to be permanently involved. However when the children reach adulthood, nominally 18 but maybe 16, the law deems that the woman/mother is now able to work for herself and the father is not encumbered with her continued maintenance. The State will assign credits to the mother for entitlement to old-age pension. The value of the OA-pension is now weighted by the number of years work that a recipient has previously performed, so women are not necessarily destitute in old age. The aspect of sharing the house and other items of value is a separate issue and not weighted in favour of either side.
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  • #9,410
  • Sep 22, 2017 2:35am Sep 22, 2017 2:35am
Quoting spzd
It's working. But I thought China was the power. /s Beijing is quickly recognizing they have painted themselves into an economic corner. Beijing enables the DPRK. President Trump specifically targets this reality as the solution to North Korea’s aggression: ąBeijing tells DPRK to do stupid thing. ˛DPRK does stupid thing. łTrump hits Xi Jinping with economic punishment for stupid thing. https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2017/09/21/beijing-takes-a-knee-china-central-bank-tells-national-banks-to-halt-business-with-north-korea/

That is right! Everything goes through Beijing, and so China's gambit of trying to instigate a conflict in order to get the US bogged down in another war was their strategy all along. Except, that has never been Trump's strategy, his strategy has always been winning the economic war with China. NAFTA, renegotiated, forming a new alliance with India for future manufacturing, and increased energy output to undercut China's thirst for Gas and oil and keeping prices down also hurts Russia as well, is a brilliant strategy to bring those two to heel to deal with DPRK problem. IMO, it is the only way, and the most effective way with dealing with China. Plus lets not mention their many years of cheating, stealing, espionage, and the systematic infringement of intellectual property rights across the board, and you get to see how the dots are now finally being connected to paint a broader picture how China got to where it is today. We will see what happens, but any military option will not doubt involve a multi-coalition force as opposed to the US going it alone, should that have to be used as the last option. Tillerson's speech at the UN was a powerful one that addresses this very same issue of nuclear proliferation by rogue nations such as Iran and NK.
  • #9,411
  • Sep 22, 2017 2:40am Sep 22, 2017 2:40am
Quoting jarhead
Hope everyone is doing great and lots of green pips. Been really busy. Someone having to stay with my mom now and it's been me 8 of the last 11 days till we get schedule worked out. Having to use my phone as a hotspot to trade every morning but no net other than that. Read last 10 pages and interesting conversations. Miss it. Saw the Trump speech at the UN. Been wanting to hear someone tell that bunch of misfits the truth all my adult life. Don't worry about him selling out to the libs. He is kicking the republicans butt's and making fools out of...

Welcome back Sarge! Have missed you here! Peace to you and your family!

Yes the negotiated deal with Chucky and Nancy was a Machiavellian tactic that seems to have paid off. A stroke of brilliance!
  • #9,412
  • Sep 22, 2017 3:20am Sep 22, 2017 3:20am
Quoting Stu Effex
{quote} It's not just taxation, I think women have felt great social pressure because of certain political movements attaching stigma to wanting to stay home and raise a family. I honestly don't believe there are as many women as they say out there that want to be corporate juggernauts, they have just rolled with the fashion. I think if more was done in the early days to recognise that raising kids and keeping a stable home is a bloody difficult job in itself but many started to look down their noses at stay at home mums and the rot set in, again...
I live in a very white middle class area and at my kids' school, most of the mums are well educated, yet I don't know of any who work more than part time. A lot don't work. I think this "stigma" you talk about very much depends on area. The so-called glass ceiling and lack of women in the boardroom is really the same thing. After having kids, women don't want to, that's just the long and short of it. The ones that do are weird. I used to be fiercely ambitious, but as soon as my first one was born, all ambition vapourised instantly and never came back. It just seemed so pathetically insignificant compared to a new life. You can stick the top jobs, who wants to slave all hours not seeing the kids and being there for them? Just because they are at school doesn't mean you won't get a call when something goes wrong. Nah, much better to go to the gym, have nice lunches and do a bit of shopping, plus cooking from fresh a good healthy family meal rather than feed the kids on ready meals or takeaways because you don't have time.
  • #9,413
  • Sep 22, 2017 3:51am Sep 22, 2017 3:51am
Quoting Exodus
{quote} The same nearly happened here. These days in the UK (I confess not being up to date on these matters) the law provides for the children to be looked-after, which may include a necessity for the mother to be permanently involved. However when the children reach adulthood, nominally 18 but maybe 16, the law deems that the woman/mother is now able to work for herself and the father is not encumbered with her continued maintenance. The State will assign credits to the mother for entitlement to old-age pension. The value of the OA-pension is...
The house issue is weighted EX, I know from my brother's experience. When he got divorced the split was somewhere between 60/40 to 70/30. His kids were adults and left home. Judge said he had to understand that his wife no longer has any earning potential, (judge ignored the fact she had made no attempt to work once the kids had left education) and therefore will need more cash to keep her in the life she is accustomed to. She ended up with the family home and a portion of some other commercial properties as per the value split mentioned above. My brother essentially had to start again aged about 55 at the time.
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  • #9,414
  • Sep 22, 2017 4:57am Sep 22, 2017 4:57am
well this was unexpected

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  • #9,415
  • Sep 22, 2017 4:58am Sep 22, 2017 4:58am
Quoting Ross88
well this was unexpected {image}
What caused that?
  • #9,416
  • Sep 22, 2017 5:03am Sep 22, 2017 5:03am
Quoting Devauxt
{quote} What caused that?
i think the constant back and forth with people which he generally started and apparently went as far as calling Wayne a hamster
  • #9,417
  • Sep 22, 2017 5:17am Sep 22, 2017 5:17am
Quoting Ross88
well this was unexpected {image}
Wow! Just wow!
  • #9,418
  • Sep 22, 2017 5:22am Sep 22, 2017 5:22am
https://youtu.be/XR7RJbXsQFo
  • #9,419
  • Sep 22, 2017 5:27am Sep 22, 2017 5:27am
Quoting jen101
https://youtu.be/XR7RJbXsQFo
Do you have to bring out the cheese cutter every Friday?
  • #9,420
  • Sep 22, 2017 5:34am Sep 22, 2017 5:34am
Quoting Devauxt
{quote} What caused that?
I'm struggling to resist the urge to GLOAT lol.

More broadly Cliff's demise is probably a sign of a stricter enforcement of forum rules, or after repeated warnings Cliff just could not help himself lol.

Either way, the best way to make sure we don't go the same way is to play fair.
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