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  • #21
  • Edited 5:08pm Sep 11, 2017 4:46pm | Edited 5:08pm
The agressive trading style in a 10k demo account, started on 24.8, is now with 35k balance. I imagine, in a usc account, i can try it many times. even if it fails, some of the tries, it will be just a $100 loss. It looks quite unlikely to happen. Still, it surely will. 2-3 times a year, maybe even 10 time a year? So what? I will run a new $100 usc account each day... Don't have the balls to run a new 10k live account each day...

Still, the guy from the funny video from the previous post (https://www.forexfactory.com/showthread.php?p=10279904#post10279904), is a big inspiration to super agressive trading styles development! At least for me! Life is fucking short! Cant wait 16 or more fucking years to make some lousy 10 mil. Gotta make 10 mil in 3 to 6 months! Who has time?!? Not me! I don't!
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Maadik Hugiis. IQ 69.
  • #22
  • Sep 11, 2017 10:17pm Sep 11, 2017 10:17pm
Hey money, does the aggressive hedging work for pairs like gbp/jpy, or should you stay to the majors like eur.usd?
  • #23
  • Sep 12, 2017 1:16am Sep 12, 2017 1:16am
Quoting cyguy
Hey money, does the aggressive hedging work for pairs like gbp/jpy, or should you stay to the majors like eur.usd?
it works anywhere. the problem i am facing now is the mt4 overload. cant handle more than 300 baskets (net 300 trades). i am ordering a new ea that will compound the baskets into bigger sized major trades. i think i will sky rocket after this improvement... now facing 130+pips delayed flips. this is absolutely devastating for the strategy, using 10 pips flips. and still... it makes money.

i imagine on turcish lira or mexican pesso... this should be something...

anything cyguy. anything. forex has not being changed. nothing changed. period. engine is the same. the way it moves is the same. pairs? same thing. all pairs are the same thing. just slow or fast movers. slow or fast gears. for the last 8 years.

pairs drive different gears. traders think something has changed. nothing has ever being changed except the speed gear. slow or fast gear...

the charts are fooling everyone. traders with 36 yrs of experience are talking bullshits. it is amazing. this is the best focus bogus trick ever released on this planet, fooling such a big mass of people. the guys who have found it are geniouses, i believe...
Maadik Hugiis. IQ 69.
  • #24
  • Sep 12, 2017 8:06am Sep 12, 2017 8:06am
Quoting MoneyZilla
{quote} it works anywhere. the problem i am facing now is the mt4 overload. cant handle more than 300 baskets (net 300 trades). i am ordering a new ea that will compound the baskets into bigger sized major trades. i think i will sky rocket after this improvement... now facing 130+pips delayed flips. this is absolutely devastating for the strategy, using 10 pips flips. and still... it makes money. i imagine on turcish lira or mexican pesso... this should be something... anything cyguy. anything. forex has not being changed. nothing changed. period....
Well i guess i haven't totally understood your hedging method, because pairs like gbp/jpy can move 1000 pips in a month, where the eur/usd moves much slower. My problem is if i placed an offensive hedge to flip it, but it keeps charging im the same direction.. back to the drawing board i guess. Btw taking both sides gave a 26% gain this month! Happy with those numbers, striving for more now
  • #25
  • Sep 12, 2017 12:33pm Sep 12, 2017 12:33pm
Quoting cyguy
{quote} Well i guess i haven't totally understood your hedging method, because pairs like gbp/jpy can move 1000 pips in a month, where the eur/usd moves much slower. My problem is if i placed an offensive hedge to flip it, but it keeps charging im the same direction.. back to the drawing board i guess. Btw taking both sides gave a 26% gain this month! Happy with those numbers, striving for more now
26% is a nice result. Congratulations!

If you are not as crazy greedy as I am, that income should make you happy, I guess.

After a week or so, I will slowly start showing here how to catch a direction, while hedging. The thing is the hedge is required, as they change directions without any prior notices. The hedge helps in those blissful moments. And it helps a lot. Opening hedge trades will automatically require a good flipping technique. I am sure the collective brain power will figure out something here? The flipping I will leave to be all your group achievement.

When making money, I believe, there is nothing more steady than enriched personal experience, which leads to a consistent personal gains.
Maadik Hugiis. IQ 69.
  • #26
  • Sep 13, 2017 5:24am Sep 13, 2017 5:24am
Dear MoneyZilla!

I completely missed the point.
You are talking here about hedging and flipping.
Can you open your trading style secrets?
Are you keeping hedge and taking profits from one leg when is proper time for it and putting back the leg with new trade. Or are you opening leg when is right time for catching the movement. Are you using stop and limit orders? As Phil did?

With thanks,
SP
  • #27
  • Sep 13, 2017 5:50am Sep 13, 2017 5:50am
Quoting SuperPip
You are talking here about hedging and flipping.
Yes, sure. My system is not perfect. But this is the best I could come around for 3.5 yrs of trading. So far I have 100% weekly gains on the top of my demo experiments. Hedge and flip. The hedge is required to guard my back from rate's sudden direction changes. More often than one would expect it, the hedge is like a free meal actually.

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Can you open your trading style secrets?
I will, but NOT as directly as most do expect it. I will do it only via the collective brain power of those interested... Let it be your own achievement - not just a gif(t) from me, right? Work something to make it happen? A little would be enough...

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Are you keeping hedge and taking profits from one leg when is proper time for it and putting back the leg with new trade. Or are you opening leg when is right time for catching the movement. Are you using stop and limit orders? As Phil did?
I have BIG problems with catching the right time. Not shy to admit it. Therefore I am all over the place. I know how to catch ANYTHING, but having serious issues WHEN to start doing it? Therefore I was forced to develop really economical strategies that never miss a thing. Very proud I even got rid off the multipliers...

But still, I am a misery trader myself. Will be happy when I can make on a daily base at least 80% a day...
Maadik Hugiis. IQ 69.
  • #28
  • Sep 13, 2017 12:11pm Sep 13, 2017 12:11pm
Quoting MoneyZilla
I will, but NOT as directly as most do expect it. I will do it only via the collective brain power of those interested... Let it be your own achievement - not just a gif(t) from me, right?
Thank you for answer! I'm not waiting for a spoon-fed, couple of hints are enough.
May I ask, what TF you are trading on?
  • #29
  • Sep 13, 2017 12:35pm Sep 13, 2017 12:35pm
I really would like to know when you enter. I see the lines and so but i dont get the right picture.

I tried a hedging strategy that looks a bit like yours i think but i dont get the clue im poor and stupid i guess
Everyday better.
  • #30
  • Sep 13, 2017 1:42pm Sep 13, 2017 1:42pm
May be you can explain, does the hedging in your context means
hedged baskets? One basket for sale, second later for buy?
And price decides who will survive?
There was a guy TwinJog, who basketed grid trades for EURUSD in similar way.
In summer on 2015 he was quite successful. But later he lost the money.
Trade explorers are visible. In summer, when volatility was low and the price was more swinging
during the day and strategy was working. Disaster game when price went away to
wrong direction. May be the hedged basket to the opposite direction would have helped him out.
That idea is giving me some food for my mind.
  • #31
  • Sep 13, 2017 1:56pm Sep 13, 2017 1:56pm
When we take a look on his charts it seems that he not opens sells and buys and wait until one survives.

Imo he took trades based on trendline bounces or breakouts i dont know.

But on his XAUUSD trades he opened a Buy position everytime the white levels get hit.

I think its a bit discretionary and some indies involved

And he dont use real Grid trading only in one Direction.

Okay i hope im not completely wrong
Everyday better.
  • #32
  • Sep 13, 2017 2:06pm Sep 13, 2017 2:06pm
Quoting SuperPip
{quote} ... what TF you are trading on?
I do not trade any specific TF. I count the zig zag movements. I say zig zag, just for you to understand the idea. They usually do between 5 and 11 small direction changes prior to a move. Sometimes more than 11... But i mostly monitor M1. Rarely M5. For zig zag scalping I cant see anything better than m1 and m5 occasionally.
Maadik Hugiis. IQ 69.
  • #33
  • Edited 2:34pm Sep 13, 2017 2:14pm | Edited 2:34pm
Quoting arlucad
I really would like to know when you enter. I see the lines and so but i dont get the right picture. I tried a hedging strategy that looks a bit like yours i think but i dont get the clue im poor and stupid i guess
Well, most of us are stupid. Few of us are aware of that unpleasant reality. And eventually we end up driving very expensive cars. Knowing one is stupid put him/her one step ahead of the other folks who think they are smart... Do not worry. You are on the right path (hedging).

The currencies are ranging, small ranging (130-150 pips ranges), 80% of the time. In these ranges, there is a special kind of rate movement. It is a silent grid killer. For example, the gold is moving like that from quite some time! I bet you anything, when you open the chart - you would never catch it, by just looking at...

Gold will switch from grid killer to a grid supporter very very soon. It is a frequency of movement. And it is valid for all pairs, not just gold... Forex has two major frequencies. It is unlikely to catch them with unarmed eye. I was lucky to find these, because I have decided to find out how the hell they are taking my money away from me?
Maadik Hugiis. IQ 69.
  • #34
  • Sep 13, 2017 2:20pm Sep 13, 2017 2:20pm
I watched the videos of the guy with the 10000-1000000 Video. Do you recommend his videos? They are fun to much but not that much value or im wrong?

Can you recommend some resoirces where to learn your hedging?
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  • #35
  • Sep 13, 2017 2:26pm Sep 13, 2017 2:26pm
Quoting SuperPip
May be you can explain, does the hedging in your context means hedged baskets? One basket for sale, second later for buy? And price decides who will survive?
Yeah, that was my, kind of, first hedging EA. One buy, one sell, cut off the loser. Here you go. This is seasonal strategy. Works best on gold and gbpjpy. Starting from sep or oct, till the end of march next year - it will work almost perfectly! If one compounds the lot according to the new balance, it is not uncommon to turn 20,000 into 2,000,000 for 4-5 months.

The misery in this strategy pops out of the fact you close the loser and give up. This is WRONG approach. It might work. For some time, but eventually you will lose all money, unless withdrawing all profits. Then you lose the balance every now and then. In general - you will make more money. A lot more money. But I cant handle that style. It is not exactly for me.

So, what to do with the loser? The answer solves all problems. I can only tell you, for now - do not shut it down, please. Figure out how to flip it.

One more thing on this topic. Knowing where to open a trade, even if it is a grid based, is important. I have zones where I open nothing. Also at certain places I open the buys and at another I open the sells. Might flip the zones. Depending on if I want to trade limit or stop direction chasing approach.

So, you have two tasks to solve now:

1. Where to open the buys and where the sells?

2. How to flip the losers, while keep them open?
Maadik Hugiis. IQ 69.
  • #36
  • Sep 13, 2017 2:32pm Sep 13, 2017 2:32pm
Quoting arlucad
I watched the videos of the guy with the 10000-1000000 Video. Do you recommend his videos? They are fun to much but not that much value or im wrong?
This video is just for fun. Do not take it seriously. For me is an inspiration I can ask for what i truly want. Just a reminder to be extremely bold. Yet, the guy is really funny. I like him a lot.
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Can you recommend some resources where to learn your hedging?
I can't. There are not any. I have never read a book on forex. And never will. Unless it explains a market structure and how options work, for example. Just pure information. Nothing more.

I advise you not to contaminate your mind with anything. Do not read other people's opinions, techniques, whatever. Sit down. Relax. Start researching
HOW EXACTLY DO THEY TAKE YOUR MONEY AWAY FROM YOU?
Start answering that question and you will need nothing else, but your own brain...
Maadik Hugiis. IQ 69.
  • #37
  • Edited 3:00pm Sep 13, 2017 2:48pm | Edited 3:00pm
Mate you have so mich value

Now we other have to take the Information and make them work!

Alot to figure out.

The flipping thing is another thing i dont understand. Do you flip after a fixed Amount of levels or when you think a sell would be better than buying?

Im sorry for the questions.
Everyday better.
  • #38
  • Sep 13, 2017 3:02pm Sep 13, 2017 3:02pm
Quoting arlucad
Now we other have to take the Information and make them work! Alot to figure out.
Keep in mind the small range times (130-150 pips range for 2-3-4-5-6-7-8 days) are the most fruitful of all. They are capped from their both sides of the range border. This is where the bankers do their kills - our money.

Going sideways is not so hard. The rate is going nowhere... for a day, two, three or even more. If you can determine those ranges? And know how to flip the losers?

I am working over this in precise at the moment. Know about these ranges from 2.5 years already, but for a first time they now got my full attention.
Maadik Hugiis. IQ 69.
  • #39
  • Sep 13, 2017 3:06pm Sep 13, 2017 3:06pm
Quoting MoneyZilla
Figure out how to flip it.
....
2. How to flip the losers, while keep them open?
I think it is something, when you are scalping on 1M, taking many trades.
You will leave loser open and
hedging and taking new positions based on price action.
In sooner or later loser is averaged out or even traded to BE.

The same with losing basket, you will leave it open and when in some moment
the account balance is in positive, you will close all the trades.

Or what you mean under flipping? Hedging with Martin Gale ?
  • #40
  • Sep 13, 2017 3:07pm Sep 13, 2017 3:07pm
What not trend is your friend

Okay so what I understand you flip at the end of the Ranges. Is that correct?

Yes 80 is range so trading range makes more Sense imo.
Everyday better.
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