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  • #8,801
  • Sep 3, 2017 2:05pm Sep 3, 2017 2:05pm
Quoting ere3us
{quote} Agree it won't go hot but sanctions have and will continue to push the world into de-dollarization. China and Russia have already mostly stopped using the dollar and they have an alternative to swift. Have you noticed how many countries now have the ability to trade directly with China using RNB. SA has also started to talk to China/Russia re pricing their oil in RNB. Gadaffi and Hussein stopped using dollar, thats why they had to go, can't do that in Russia or China.
You are aware that the US economy is larger than China, Japan, and Germany combined. China is mostly a fraud economy and can easily be brought to their knees. The US is working on 3% GDP growth this year and likely 4% in a year or two. Manufacturing will rapidly be coming back to the US. All that other stuff you mention are nothing but pipe dreams by those nations.
Mark ... Everything you have been told is a LIE
  • #8,802
  • Sep 3, 2017 2:18pm Sep 3, 2017 2:18pm
Quoting ere3us
{quote} Agree it won't go hot but sanctions have and will continue to push the world into de-dollarization. China and Russia have already mostly stopped using the dollar and they have an alternative to swift. Have you noticed how many countries now have the ability to trade directly with China using RNB. SA has also started to talk to China/Russia re pricing their oil in RNB. Gadaffi and Hussein stopped using dollar, thats why they had to go, can't do that in Russia or China.
Including the UK, but whether that will continue after Brexit is anybody's guess.


Quoting spzd
{quote} C'mon, do you really think that is true? If so, why is the yuan still pegged to the dollar? there is no physical need for country A to purchase $$ so they can be converted into whatever for country B. The USD is still, and will be (unless the US ceases to exist) the main currency that the value of all others are determined. Too many think their is an actual physical exchange of dollars to purchase something else. Geez, people will believe almost anything.
The RMB is allegedly floating. However it makes economic sense to keep it as soft as possible against the US$.
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  • #8,803
  • Sep 3, 2017 4:23pm Sep 3, 2017 4:23pm
Quoting spzd
{quote} C'mon, do you really think that is true? If so, why is the yuan still pegged to the dollar? there is no physical need for country A to purchase $$ so they can be converted into whatever for country B. The USD is still, and will be (unless the US ceases to exist) the main currency that the value of all others are determined. Too many think their is an actual physical exchange of dollars to purchase something else. Geez, people will believe almost anything.
Yep we thought the GBP would always be the reserve curr and the British Empire would last forever.
Rome thought the same - and Napoleon and The house of Bourbon.......
Amazing how stupid people can be sometimes ain't it.
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  • #8,804
  • Sep 3, 2017 4:33pm Sep 3, 2017 4:33pm
Quoting spzd
{quote} You are aware that the US economy is larger than China, Japan, and Germany combined. China is mostly a fraud economy and can easily be brought to their knees. The US is working on 3% GDP growth this year and likely 4% in a year or two. Manufacturing will rapidly be coming back to the US. All that other stuff you mention are nothing but pipe dreams by those nations.
That is true atm
The US may not dominate for much longer, however.
Although China trails the US by $7 trillion, it’s catching up. China’s economy grew by 6.7% in 2016, compared with America’s 1.6%, according to the IMF.

https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2017/03/worlds-biggest-economies-in-2017/
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  • #8,805
  • Sep 3, 2017 6:19pm Sep 3, 2017 6:19pm
https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=101&v=RSzJJG4IhRM
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  • #8,806
  • Sep 3, 2017 6:39pm Sep 3, 2017 6:39pm
Quoting ere3us
{quote} That is true atm The US may not dominate for much longer, however. Although China trails the US by $7 trillion, it’s catching up. China’s economy grew by 6.7% in 2016, compared with America’s 1.6%, according to the IMF. https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2017/03/worlds-biggest-economies-in-2017/
Do you actually believe those fraudulent numbers about China? I have read that the real Chinese GDP over the past 15/20 years is more like about 3 or 4% during the boom times and is only around 2.5% at best now. China is a paper tiger and will crumble without the US buying their cheap shit. And that will come to pass very soon.

When you build cities that no one lives in to make it look like you have huge GDP growth your economy is basically a joke.
Mark ... Everything you have been told is a LIE
  • #8,807
  • Sep 3, 2017 6:46pm Sep 3, 2017 6:46pm
Quoting Exodus
{quote}Including the UK, but whether that will continue after Brexit is anybody's guess. {quote} The RMB is allegedly floating. However it makes economic sense to keep it as soft as possible against the US$.
If it is floating it is a severely manipulated float. The only way a nation could control a currency in that manner is if it has no real contact on the open market.

If, as many falsely believe, that the RMB is free floating and is a "powerful" currency, why the need to keep it controlled and not let it out of China?

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  • #8,808
  • Sep 3, 2017 6:47pm Sep 3, 2017 6:47pm
China is a currency manipulator of the worse kind and needs to be labelled and treated as one.
Mark ... Everything you have been told is a LIE
  • #8,809
  • Sep 3, 2017 7:40pm Sep 3, 2017 7:40pm
Quoting spzd
{quote} Do you actually believe those fraudulent numbers about China? I have read that the real Chinese GDP over the past 15/20 years is more like about 3 or 4% during the boom times and is only around 2.5% at best now. China is a paper tiger and will crumble without the US buying their cheap shit. And that will come to pass very soon. When you build cities that no one lives in to make it look like you have huge GDP growth your economy is basically a joke.
Those numbers are from the IMF/world bank............

The U.S. government has by far the largest share of votes in both the IMF and World Bank and, along with its closest allies, effectively controls their operations. In 1998, the U.S. held 18% of the votes in the IMF and 15% in the World Bank. Together, the United States, Germany, Japan, the U.K. and France control about 40% of the shares in both institutions. With the rest of the shares spread among 175 other member governments, some holding a tiny number of votes, the United States is effectively in charge.

The US govt produced those numbers.....
Where are your numbers from?
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  • #8,810
  • Edited 12:33am Sep 4, 2017 12:23am | Edited 12:33am
Quoting DrManhatten
Message to Smudgester! I know you are just smitten to find anything in the RH because you have nothing better else to do than to harass people you don't agree with. Try this! Don't be a hater all your life! Go out in the world and do something useful that will make everyone else around you happier! Most importantly go and find joy for yourself!
It is full of haters here. It's jealousy. It's wanting you not to get ahead just because they can't. You see it constantly on the roads; some slow moving pile of shit will deliberately do their best to stop you from overtaking. Pathetic.
  • #8,811
  • Sep 4, 2017 12:32am Sep 4, 2017 12:32am
I am getting more and more suspicious we are being lied to over the Muslim numbers in the UK. They say France has more Muslims than us, so where are they all? Not in the rural areas, not in the towns, not in the large towns, not in the cities, not on the roads. I see more Catholic nuns. They say it's because Muslims congregate and don't travel - but they do in the UK? There might be ten or so camping under a flyover in Paris, but I think the press makes that look like millions. I think we are being truly screwed.
  • #8,812
  • Sep 4, 2017 1:49am Sep 4, 2017 1:49am
Quoting ere3us
{quote} More CEV Stockholm on Lockdown As Police Officer Stabbed in Neck By Moroccan Youth (http://www.breitbart.com/london/2017/08/31/stockholm-lockdown-police-officer-stabbed-neck-city-square/)
Probably a "Child" orphan refugee
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  • #8,813
  • Sep 4, 2017 2:07am Sep 4, 2017 2:07am
Quoting jen101
I am getting more and more suspicious we are being lied to over the Muslim numbers in the UK. They say France has more Muslims than us, so where are they all? Not in the rural areas, not in the towns, not in the large towns, not in the cities, not on the roads. I see more Catholic nuns. They say it's because Muslims congregate and don't travel - but they do in the UK? There might be ten or so camping under a flyover in Paris, but I think the press makes that look like millions. I think we are being truly screwed.
I am surprised by that Jen. Seen large numbers in cities myself and thought the larger towns would be beginning to feel the overspill by now but good to know. The numbers here have been skewed forever. Plus they will never come out and just say we have no idea.
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  • #8,814
  • Sep 4, 2017 2:11am Sep 4, 2017 2:11am
i think all countries should get unite and stop the insane head of NK as soon as possible, his dominance even in testing is too much currently. the conditions could be much more bad once he achieve advanced weapon which most of countries already have but not showing off like insane NK. All countries wants to live in peace and harmony except few. mental hospital is the only place for such.
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  • #8,815
  • Sep 4, 2017 2:40am Sep 4, 2017 2:40am
https://youtu.be/7F221Oqc1f0
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  • #8,816
  • Sep 4, 2017 2:49am Sep 4, 2017 2:49am
Quoting jen101
I am getting more and more suspicious we are being lied to over the Muslim numbers in the UK. They say France has more Muslims than us, so where are they all? Not in the rural areas, not in the towns, not in the large towns, not in the cities, not on the roads. I see more Catholic nuns. They say it's because Muslims congregate and don't travel - but they do in the UK? There might be ten or so camping under a flyover in Paris, but I think the press makes that look like millions. I think we are being truly screwed.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XgA2Wqor6gU

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VeDjrHdTsv8
  • #8,817
  • Edited 3:57am Sep 4, 2017 3:16am | Edited 3:57am
Quoting jen101
I am getting more and more suspicious we are being lied to over the Muslim numbers in the UK. They say France has more Muslims than us, so where are they all? Not in the rural areas, not in the towns, not in the large towns, not in the cities, not on the roads. I see more Catholic nuns. They say it's because Muslims congregate and don't travel - but they do in the UK? There might be ten or so camping under a flyover in Paris, but I think the press makes that look like millions. I think we are being truly screwed.
as far as i know the UK is 4% Muslims

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islam_in_the_United_Kingdom

here why it may look to you that the numbers don't add up as a group they congregate in certain areas

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  • #8,818
  • Sep 4, 2017 4:20am Sep 4, 2017 4:20am
Quoting Ross88
{quote} as far as i know the UK is 4% Muslims https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islam_in_the_United_Kingdom here why it may look to you that the numbers don't add up as a group they congregate in certain areas {image}
Map shows exactly what different cultures, different people, different 'whatever' do. They congregate together, it's just a fact of human nature.

People who look a like and share similar religious views tend to feel more comfortable beside people who look like them and worship like them.

The greater the differences between the 'indigenous group' vs the migrant group the less likely that person, and their associated group, will assimilate into society.

What we have is sub-cultures within a culture, sometimes having very different morals, different views on freedom, on women, on justice, different views on government.

This kind of 'diversity' erodes the common bonds that hold a society together. Common views on morals, justice and the role of government creates a basis of consent that allows government to do less and more.

Whenever you have such 'diversity' it fractures society and politics along ethnic lines. Longer terms it is a recipe for more conflict not less.

Lets stop this shit and make sure any migration in the future preserves the ideals that the country at large believes in.
  • #8,819
  • Sep 4, 2017 4:41am Sep 4, 2017 4:41am
Quoting verv
{quote} Map shows exactly what different cultures, different people, different 'whatever' do. They congregate together, it's just a fact of human nature. People who look a like and share similar religious views tend to feel more comfortable beside people who look like them and worship like them. The greater the differences between the 'indigenous group' vs the migrant group the less likely that person, and their associated group, will assimilate into society. What we have is sub-cultures within a culture, sometimes having very different morals,...
Too late V - 30% of primary school childrens first language is not English
The Uk pop stopped growing at 50m, it is now 75m = 25m immigrants.
In less than 20 yrs we will be a minority
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  • #8,820
  • Sep 4, 2017 4:46am Sep 4, 2017 4:46am
Quoting Ross88
{quote} as far as i know the UK is 4% Muslims https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islam_in_the_United_Kingdom here why it may look to you that the numbers don't add up as a group they congregate in certain areas {image}
Don't believe to official figures Ross, they are bollox
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