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  • #8,641
  • Aug 29, 2017 4:10am Aug 29, 2017 4:10am
Quoting DrManhatten
{quote} Yeah I am not sure I am going to agree with you on this, at least right now I reserve judgement in labeling him a "lame duck" as that is a little premature. A lot of things are happening behind the scenes especially in terms of foreign policy, that is very rarely being reported in the media, so to me the changes of personnel is par for the course in a corporate environment. Ever since he appointed Kelly as his COS, at least right now the leaks that were coming out have been contained. The debt ceiling issue will be very telling if the big...
Hope you are right that Dr. M. When Gorka quit/was fired it seemed to me that the Trump train is going in a new direction. I am thinking it will more of the same, a lot of bluster up until the last minute, then some murmurs about widows and orphans and God Bless our troops! And then business as usual. There has been a complete overhaul if you want to speak in corporate terms, and that happens only in hostile takeover/ restructuring bids.
If you are good at something, never do it for free--Joker
  • #8,642
  • Aug 29, 2017 4:15am Aug 29, 2017 4:15am
Quoting DrManhatten
{quote} .... Make no mistake, "the big Ugly" is coming!
Is that a euphemism for another government shut-down as the kids start arguing about who really controls the purse.
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  • #8,643
  • Aug 29, 2017 4:21am Aug 29, 2017 4:21am
Both reports about the same incident. With an obvious difference of course.

This broke 3 days ago....
http://www.breitbart.com/london/2017/08/26/italy-african-migrants-beat-rob-polish-man-gang-rape-wife/

This one one last 24 hours......

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/polish-tourist-gang-rape-italy-rimini-san-marino-boyfriend-beaten-and-robbed-a7915201.html
Once You See, You Can't Unsee But You Will Get The Odd Poke In The Eye
  • #8,644
  • Aug 29, 2017 4:28am Aug 29, 2017 4:28am
Quoting jmn5611
{quote} Hope you are right that Dr. M. When Gorka quit/was fired it seemed to me that the Trump train is going in a new direction. I am thinking it will more of the same, a lot of bluster up until the last minute, then some murmurs about widows and orphans and God Bless our troops! And then business as usual. There has been a complete overhaul if you want to speak in corporate terms, and that happens only in hostile takeover/ restructuring bids.

Well Gorka was wrong in his statements referring to the state department's handling of terrorism, and their policies in relation to the current theater of operations in Iraq and Syria and secondly Gorka was a Bannon hire, so when Bannon left Gorka essentially followed him. I really don't think it's a big deal that these two are now gone, besides I think having them as surrogates on the outside to keep the deep state in check is whats going to be needed in the long term of things. Meaning they can get more done in the private sector then serving in the white house.

Also Tax reform, and the debt ceiling are big deals, and if you look at Ryan's and McConnell's latest approval numbers, less than 20% might suggest that they along with the entire republican establishment are feeling the heat with mid-terms right around the corner. Remember the last 7 years the Republican party were gungho on repealing ACA and now that they have control of both houses they whiffed to get a repeal pushed through? IMO, the establishment is scared shitless right now and are pulling out all the stops to thwart "T's" legislative agenda. Trump got rid of Bannon, so the left has nothing left to focus on, brilliant move IMO. We will see what happens, but things are going to get interesting I can almost bet on it! But, if the scenario that you just articulated plays out, well he might lose a lot of his base as a result. My guess is that the debt ceiling issue will be extended until December to allow more time to negotiate a deal that includes border wall funding in the 2018 budget bill.
  • #8,645
  • Aug 29, 2017 4:34am Aug 29, 2017 4:34am
Quoting Exodus
{quote} Is that a euphemism for another government shut-down as the kids start arguing about who really controls the purse.
Uh in a indirect way that is just one issue, the other is a litany of exposures of certain representative and their special interest groups, such as what he hinted at in his Arizona speech, to rally support for upcoming challengers to incumbents in the mid term elections to unseat them. Like what happened to Eric Cantor a few years ago. Trump needs a congress that he can work with, and right now the uni-party as I have heard them called or referred to are doing everything they can to obstruct his agenda in order to protect their special interest groups. The gang of seven will probably be his first target in an attempt at draining the swamp!
  • #8,646
  • Edited 6:17am Aug 29, 2017 5:14am | Edited 6:17am
Quoting jmn5611
{quote} This is a myth that has been going around for awhile. It was not all redneck hillbillies from Appalachia that put him over the top. It was people who wanted something different than what they had last year. Desperation will cause people to do strange things to some. But Trump was a logical choice for many. I have evolved significantly on that position, mainly because I had a nice front row seat as a competent trader to the sheer effort put in to destroy Trump. They have left him intact physically, but he has no more power. It was a silent...
Trump is a "tragic hero".
I like it. I hope this beautiful comedy put on for the whole world to see will last a little longer.
  • #8,647
  • Aug 29, 2017 7:08am Aug 29, 2017 7:08am
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  • #8,648
  • Aug 29, 2017 8:06am Aug 29, 2017 8:06am
Quoting DrManhatten
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....and there you have it! Invest in Gold, Copper and Gasoline, although the latter may be on a sticky wicket.
Carbon-Dioxide: the gas of life! https://youtu.be/ttJBdr6eBuo
  • #8,649
  • Aug 29, 2017 8:59am Aug 29, 2017 8:59am
Quoting Mingary
{quote} Trump is a "tragic hero". I like it. I hope this beautiful comedy put on for the whole world to see will last a little longer.
I personally am not amused. We are in a terrible place in the USA. I know a lot of people are waiting for our comeuppance as it is long overdue some would say. Think about this, if the US falls into a state of anarchy where battle lines get drawn between the states, who will save your sorry asses when Vlad comes calling? Think it can't happen?

Quoting DrManhatten
{quote} Uh in a indirect way that is just one issue, the other is a litany of exposures of certain representative and their special interest groups, such as what he hinted at in his Arizona speech, to rally support for upcoming challengers to incumbents in the mid term elections to unseat them. Like what happened to Eric Cantor a few years ago. Trump needs a congress that he can work with, and right now the uni-party as I have heard them called or referred to are doing everything they can to obstruct his agenda in order to protect their special...
Trump was once a Manhattan liberal as Ted Cruz pointed out. Ivanka and her husband still are. I wonder openly if he will revert. I wonder openly if we have been played in the world's biggest reality show. Trump is backing far away from Mexico paying for the wall. I have to admit that his instincts are no match for the power elite in DC. Obama did the same thing in 2008. Hope and Change. And then he sat in that magic chair. Suddenly he and Dubya had a lot more in common. That is why Bill and Bush the Elder are so tight right now. This thing is so much bigger than just the President. Ha! the market opened lower because Kim fired some more missiles. China could end this crap by sundown. But they won't. I wonder why this is?
If you are good at something, never do it for free--Joker
  • #8,650
  • Aug 29, 2017 9:12am Aug 29, 2017 9:12am
Quoting jmn5611
.... Ha! the market opened lower because Kim fired some more missiles. China could end this crap by sundown. But they won't. I wonder why this is?
China have subcontracted their sensitive R&D to the safest consultancy you could imagine.
Carbon-Dioxide: the gas of life! https://youtu.be/ttJBdr6eBuo
  • #8,651
  • Aug 29, 2017 9:15am Aug 29, 2017 9:15am
Quoting jmn5611
{quote} I personally am not amused. We are in a terrible place in the USA. I know a lot of people are waiting for our comeuppance as it is long overdue some would say. Think about this, if the US falls into a state of anarchy where battle lines get drawn between the states, who will save your sorry asses when Vlad comes calling? Think it can't happen? {quote} Trump was once a Manhattan liberal as Ted Cruz pointed out. Ivanka and her husband still are. I wonder openly if he will revert. I wonder openly if we have been played in the world's biggest...
True, but he was a JFK liberal not a progressive a big distinction there. Also it is possible as people get older such as he has, become more conservative in their views. He is allowed to change as is everyone else. I am not buying the whole argument that the DC swamp is bigger than him nonsense. The difference is with Trump is that he isn't bought off like Dubya, and Obola where, and so forth and so forth, it is what it is. But just for argument sake lets look at what this China strategy really means and the rest of his geo political strategy that is working in tandem to give false hope of his adversaries who are thinking the opposite. Quote:


"♦Squeeze #1. Trump and Mnuchin just sanctioned Venezuela and cut off their access to expanded state owned oil revenue. Venezuela now needs more money. China and Russia are already leveraged to the gills in Venezuela and hold 49% of Citgo as collateral for loans outstanding. Now China and Russia will need to loan more, directly.
♦Squeeze #2. China’s geopolitical ally, Russia, is already squeezed with losses in energy revenue because of President Trump’s approach toward oil, LNG and coal. Trump, through allies including Saudi Arabia, EU, France (North Africa energy), and domestic production has driven down energy prices. Meanwhile Russia is bleeding out financially in Syria. Iran is the financial reserve, but they too are energy price dependent.
♦Squeeze #3. Trump and Tillerson just put Pakistan on notice they need to get involved in bringing their enabled tribal “extremists” (Taliban) to the table in Afghanistan. Pakistan’s primary investor and economic partner is China.
♦Squeeze #4. China’s primary economic threat (competition) is next door in India. President Trump has just embraced India as leverage over China in trade and pledged ongoing favorable trade deals. The play is MFN (Most Favored Nation) trade status might flip from China to India. That’s a big play.
♦Squeeze #4. President Trump has launched a USTR Section 301 Trade Investigation into China’s theft of intellectual property. This encompasses every U.S. entity that does manufacturing business with China, particularly aeronautics and technology, and also reaches into the financial services sector.
♦Squeeze #5. President Trump, Secretary Ross, Secretary Mnuchin and USTR Robert Lighthizer are renegotiating NAFTA. One of the primary objectives of team U.S.A. is to close the 3rd party loopholes, including dumping and origination, that China uses to gain backdoor access to the U.S. market and avoid trade/tariff restrictions. [China sends parts to Mexico and Canada for assembly and then back-door entry into the U.S. via NAFTA.]
♦Squeeze #5. President Trump has been open, visible and vocal about his intention to shift to bilateral trade renegotiation with China and Southeast Asia immediately after Team U.S.A. conclude with NAFTA renegotiation.
♦Squeeze #6. President Trump has positioned ASEAN (Association of Southeast Asian Nations) as trade benefactors for assistance with North Korea. The relationship between ASEAN nations and the Trump administration is very strong, and getting stronger. Which leads to…
♦Squeeze #7. President Trump has formed an economic and national security aliance with Shinzo Abe of Japan. It is not accidental that North Korea’s Kim Jong-un fired today over the Northern part of Japan. Quite simply, Beijing told him to.
Add all of this up, and you can see the cumulative impact of President Trump’s geopolitical strategy toward China. The best part of all of it – is the likelihood China never saw it, meaning the sum totality of all of “it”, coming.
Just like Trump’s economic council (a bunch of globalists and Wall Streeters) thinking they were pulling POTUS Trump away from “America First”, only to realize he was simply giving them that impression so that he could advance his agenda…."
  • #8,652
  • Aug 29, 2017 9:18am Aug 29, 2017 9:18am
Quoting Exodus
{quote} China have subcontracted their sensitive R&D to the safest consultancy you could imagine.
That is putting it mildly!
  • #8,653
  • Aug 29, 2017 9:19am Aug 29, 2017 9:19am
Quoting Exodus
{quote} ....and there you have it! Invest in Gold, Copper and Gasoline, although the latter may be on a sticky wicket.

Interesting play. US production in the energy sector is def putting prices down. But look at the Geo Political strategy of this admin and it starts to make sense.
  • #8,654
  • Aug 29, 2017 10:01am Aug 29, 2017 10:01am
First off, J hope you and family are safe. Hate whats going on in Houston area. Spent first 12 years growing up in southern Mississippi and have family spread from Mobile to Baton Rouge. Been through several hurricanes and understand what devastation is going on in southern Texas.

Have a little different take on what is going on in the Trump administration. Have kept up with Kelly's and Mattis careers for years. Extremely disciplined long range strategic planners. Trump and cabinet are not politicians and don't operate as politicians. I think they are planning out at least the next 20 years ( 8 for
Trump and 8 for Pence) and realize the entrenched republican party is the real problem. They are basically no different than the democrats -- more big government and less freedom. I think the shift is to either renew the republican party through primary challenges or come up with something altogether different. Ryan and McConnell have to go. It would not surprise me for Trump to run as something different than a republican in 3 years. As Bannon and Gorka are extremely effective with media, I think they will concentrate on hitting the establishment republicans and lead the charge at the primary level. I think what we are shown as turmoil is actually a plan coming together designed to keep the msm off message. It is apparent that the federal government is doing a much better disaster coordination effort than it's ever done. Trumps Friday night pardon is driving the left over the cliff - - though the bammers pardons of hundreds of scumbags didn't bother them at all. Trump is a master at keeping the media unhinged -- they can't concentrate on whats going on behind the scenes.

Those of us who keep up with what Trump has done behind the scenes with executive orders and simple legal actions realize what monumental changes are taking place. I think everything is on track and going according to plan. It took us a hundred years to get in this mess -- it will take us a couple years to correct it. I remain optimistic.
Defending Truth, Capitalism and the US Constitution
  • #8,655
  • Aug 29, 2017 10:59am Aug 29, 2017 10:59am
Quoting jarhead
First off, J hope you and family are safe. Hate whats going on in Houston area. Spent first 12 years growing up in southern Mississippi and have family spread from Mobile to Baton Rouge. Been through several hurricanes and understand what devastation is going on in southern Texas. Have a little different take on what is going on in the Trump administration. Have kept up with Kelly's and Mattis careers for years. Extremely disciplined long range strategic planners. Trump and cabinet are not politicians and don't operate as politicians. I think they...
Wow, jar, you remember the Longhorns. My family is up in Austin, they are fine. Houston is all kinds of f*kked up. Everybody knows that now. I have family in the oil game. As you know, times will be interesting for them. Means a lot about your memory. Anyhow, I wish I could be as optimistic. I have deep regret about opposing Trump in the beginning. I am a JFK liberal as you know. I don't know what we are going to do. You and Dr. M. have helped me raise my head a bit. A lot of us saw this man just get killed day after day, week after week. I just feel that Bannon although he has promised not to turn on Trump has already defied him in Alabama. What do you think about that?
If you are good at something, never do it for free--Joker
  • #8,656
  • Aug 29, 2017 11:00am Aug 29, 2017 11:00am
Quoting DrManhatten
{quote} True, but he was a JFK liberal not a progressive a big distinction there. Also it is possible as people get older such as he has, become more conservative in their views. He is allowed to change as is everyone else. I am not buying the whole argument that the DC swamp is bigger than him nonsense. The difference is with Trump is that he isn't bought off like Dubya, and Obola where, and so forth and so forth, it is what it is. But just for argument sake lets look at what this China strategy really means and the rest of his geo political strategy...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O3oY93doosg
If you are good at something, never do it for free--Joker
  • #8,657
  • Aug 29, 2017 11:14am Aug 29, 2017 11:14am
Quoting jmn5611
{quote} Yep. They got to Ivanka first, who then got to Trump. His entire original cabinet has been replaced except for Pence who is a professional politician. I knew it would happen, but I sort of had hopes when I realized that he was sincere in what he was trying to do. Eight months in and he is a lame duck.
His entire original cabinet is still in place (with the exception of Kelly who became chief of staff) .

But I'm sure you were referring to staff. Do you really think any of this changes Trumps thinking? These people have no real power over him. Bannon never resigned his position as head of Brietbart. Gorka said at the beginning of summer he would likely be gone before the end of summer. So it is no surprise either are out. Truth is they can do more outside of the WH than inside.

He has been saying almost the same thing now as he has the last 20/30 years. He is a "lame duck" because almost the entire congress, Rs and Ds, are progressive globalist. That's why they are the UniParty. These same Rs who refuse to push through Trump's agenda are the same group that gave obamao everything he wanted for 6 years by continuing resolutions instead of an actual budget. Trump is a direct threat to their power and money (from big lobby).

Rescinding obamaocare, tax cuts, and the infrastructure spending should have already been implemented. The Rs refuse to do their job.

If Trump fails the US is finished.
Mark ... Everything you have been told is a LIE
  • #8,658
  • Aug 29, 2017 11:18am Aug 29, 2017 11:18am
Quoting spzd
{quote} His entire original cabinet is still in place (with the exception of Kelly who became chief of staff) . But I'm sure you were referring to staff. Do you really think any of this changes Trumps thinking? These people have no real power over him. Bannon never resigned his position as head of Brietbart. Gorka said at the beginning of summer he would likely be gone before the end of summer. So it is no surprise either are out. Truth is they can do more outside of the WH than inside. He has been saying almost the same thing now as he has the...
My, how little has changed over the years.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zdMbmdFOvTs
If you are good at something, never do it for free--Joker
  • #8,659
  • Aug 29, 2017 11:19am Aug 29, 2017 11:19am
Quoting jmn5611
{quote} I just feel that Bannon although he has promised not to turn on Trump has already defied him in Alabama.
I do not keep up with every little thing. What is this referring to?
Mark ... Everything you have been told is a LIE
  • #8,660
  • Aug 29, 2017 11:28am Aug 29, 2017 11:28am
Quoting spzd
{quote} I do not keep up with every little thing. What is this referring to?
Bannon has endorsed the candidate opposite to Trump. By the way, the video I posted of Kennedy talked most recently talked about leaks. Trump was castigated for this. Please share.
If you are good at something, never do it for free--Joker
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