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  • #8,501
  • Aug 22, 2017 8:48am Aug 22, 2017 8:48am
Quoting Ross88
{quote} the question on the poll is (what the UK thinks of Jeremy Corbyn) and it turns out 84% can't take him seriously lot's of Corbynites think he is more supported than he is because of how bad Theresa May handled the last elections
Ah right, I thought that was a poll about Tommy Robinson lol.

Looks like the JC poll didn't go to plan LMAO
  • #8,502
  • Aug 22, 2017 8:55am Aug 22, 2017 8:55am
Rosie O'Donnell - Trump ongoing feud and it's history cracks me up

http://uk.businessinsider.com/trump-rosie-odonnell-history-2017-5/#next-in-may-2012-trump-insulted-both-cher-and-odonnell-on-twitter-the-tweet-was-meant-to-hit-cher-for-attacking-mitt-romneys-presidential-campaign-but-trump-snuck-in-a-dig-at-odonnell-too-calling-her-a-total-loser-10
  • #8,503
  • Aug 22, 2017 2:30pm Aug 22, 2017 2:30pm
Quoting verv
Rosie O'Donnell - Trump ongoing feud and it's history cracks me up http://uk.businessinsider.com/trump-rosie-odonnell-history-2017-5/#next-in-may-2012-trump-insulted-both-cher-and-odonnell-on-twitter-the-tweet-was-meant-to-hit-cher-for-attacking-mitt-romneys-presidential-campaign-but-trump-snuck-in-a-dig-at-odonnell-too-calling-her-a-total-loser-10
Trump won. And yes she started it.
Mark ... Everything you have been told is a LIE
  • #8,505
  • Aug 22, 2017 4:29pm Aug 22, 2017 4:29pm
Quoting jen101
{quote} USS John McCain has a crash with oil tanker.
Ah Ok got ya Thanks Jen
Once You See, You Can't Unsee But You Will Get The Odd Poke In The Eye
  • #8,506
  • Aug 22, 2017 4:35pm Aug 22, 2017 4:35pm
America is off to war again https://steemit.com/trump/@aindriu80/president-trump-to-address-the-nation-on-the-war-in-afghanistan In its 240 year old existence, the U.S only had 21-years of peace
  • #8,507
  • Aug 22, 2017 5:39pm Aug 22, 2017 5:39pm
Quoting aindriu80
America is off to war again https://steemit.com/trump/@aindriu80/president-trump-to-address-the-nation-on-the-war-in-afghanistan In its 240 year old existence, the U.S only had 21-years of peace
Where have you been the last 16 years that the US has been there? You sound just like the media stating "facts" that mean zip.
Mark ... Everything you have been told is a LIE
  • #8,508
  • Aug 23, 2017 1:52am Aug 23, 2017 1:52am
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s6C6dpeXzjo

sign up and hopefully she will be sack

http://peoplescharter.org/petition-sack-shah-now/
  • #8,509
  • Aug 23, 2017 2:12am Aug 23, 2017 2:12am
In UN and EU documents, the defence of Western sovereign borders is curiously portrayed as hatred of Muslims. http://www.theaustralian.com.au/opinion/columnists/jennifer-oriel/terror-and-migration-truth-europe-will-not-admit/news-story/5f4d6109c59c06340babe51c1b2e056b
  • #8,510
  • Aug 23, 2017 2:56am Aug 23, 2017 2:56am
https://youtu.be/ywDnlxJgA_s
Once You See, You Can't Unsee But You Will Get The Odd Poke In The Eye
  • #8,511
  • Aug 23, 2017 3:00am Aug 23, 2017 3:00am
Quoting Devauxt
In UN and EU documents, the defence of Western sovereign borders is curiously portrayed as hatred of Muslims. http://www.theaustralian.com.au/opinion/columnists/jennifer-oriel/terror-and-migration-truth-europe-will-not-admit/news-story/5f4d6109c59c06340babe51c1b2e056b
DEV can you screen shot ? link taking me to a subscription page.
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  • #8,512
  • Aug 23, 2017 3:51am Aug 23, 2017 3:51am
Quoting Stu Effex
{quote} DEV can you screen shot ? link taking me to a subscription page.
https://www.screencast.com/t/CpP7L3LKT
  • #8,514
  • Edited 4:35am Aug 23, 2017 4:24am | Edited 4:35am
Quoting Devauxt
{quote} https://www.screencast.com/t/CpP7L3LKT
I'm becoming more hard line against migration.

The pragmatic truth is that some of these migrants have no interest in integrating, but instead set up shop as a society within a society. They do not have any respect for our laws because they have fundamentally very different morals and views on the role of the state.

You then have the pandering of politicians to specific ethnic groups in an attempt to secure their vote, leading to the fracturing of politics along ethnic lines further reinforcing ethnic division and political differences.

How is that good for a country?

The benefits of a welfare state which new migrants enjoy are paid for and have been built up by the 'indigenous' people, who gave THEIR wealth for its creation. Is it then not right to ask the people who own the country, and own the state whether they want more migration.

We are building up trouble. A homogeneous society is more harmonious, whether we like to admit it or not.
  • #8,515
  • Aug 23, 2017 4:26am Aug 23, 2017 4:26am
https://youtu.be/fHZHi2uP7qk
  • #8,516
  • Aug 23, 2017 4:27am Aug 23, 2017 4:27am
https://youtu.be/MvR-9xjzoPg
  • #8,517
  • Aug 23, 2017 6:45am Aug 23, 2017 6:45am
Quoting verv
{quote} I'm becoming more hard line against migration. The pragmatic truth is that some of these migrants have no interest in integrating, but instead set up shop as a society within a society. They do not have any respect for our laws because they have fundamentally very different morals and views on the role of the state. You then have the pandering of politicians to specific ethnic groups in an attempt to secure their vote, leading to the fracturing of politics along ethnic lines further reinforcing ethnic division and political differences....
What surprised me was the extent to which the UN is involved in the Islamisation of Europe
  • #8,518
  • Aug 23, 2017 7:12am Aug 23, 2017 7:12am
Quoting verv
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Why don't you quote the post ?

I didn't put emphasis on the 9 Mil it was part of the piece on how the figures have been adjusted over the years. That film was a post war propaganda film shown to school children !
https://www.criterion.com/films/238-night-and-fog go to 0:52

Wrong. 4 million figures was a made up figure that the Polish and their Soviet masters pulled out of their assholes. This figure was not used to calculate the 6 million figure initially; let me repeat again, the Nazis said 4 million in ALL concentration camps, NOT Auschwitz alone. The 4 million in Auschwitz was an exaggerated Soviet number.

You are wrong the figure of 4 million was for Auschwitz that is why the original plaque said 4 million died "HERE".
Here is text from Nuremberg Trial stating 3 mill upto 1943 and a further 400k in summer of 1944. Not liberated until Jan 1945.

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Think this makes it clear that the figure of 4 mill was for Auschwitz alone. With a total of 6 mill, therefore no matter which way you look at it when the number for Auschwitz was revised, so should the total but that number still remains.

This figure was not used to calculate the 6 million figure initially; I
It is obvious from the transcript above that the figure of 4 million at Auschwitz was used in the calculation of the 6 million. If they assessed then total death toll at 6 Million and accepted then clearly their estimation did not take into consideration the exaggerated figures.

Think about what you are saying. If the initial 6 million figure had taken consideration for the exaggeration why was the figure of 3 million alone up to 1943 accepted at Nuremberg for the death toll at Auschwitz ? Auschwitz is accepted as the main death camp.

So now established that during the trial total 6 mil, 4 mil at Aushwitz alone therefore when the Poles agreed in 1989 to revise the figure for Auschwitz the total should have been revised too as it was based on the original evidence of 4 Million as shown in the trial transcript above.

The anomalies don't come from my ability to not understand.
I haven't posted trash, 2 videos which raise some valid points. There are many more, the numbers is just part of it.

I'm not doubling down at all, not naive or deliberately obstructive and I haven't made up my mind as I said yesterday there is a mass of material but it is quite clear that you have reached a conclusion based on one side of the story. I have only only ever really heard the official line. Not wise to form an opinion on any situation without looking at what's being presented on the the other side and there is a mountain of it.
This exchange is useless.

You see what you want to see. I will look at all there is to see.
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  • #8,519
  • Aug 23, 2017 9:19am Aug 23, 2017 9:19am
I am sure that if the actual figure is any less than 6 million it certainly proves that the extermination camps were actaully luxury summer camps, with fun fun fun 24 /7
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