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  • #8,441
  • Aug 18, 2017 9:05am Aug 18, 2017 9:05am
sorry to be the bearer of bad news but Bruce Forsyth just died
  • #8,442
  • Aug 18, 2017 9:07am Aug 18, 2017 9:07am
Quoting Ross88
sorry to be the bearer of bad news but Bruce Forsyth just died
"Didn't he do well"
  • #8,443
  • Aug 18, 2017 9:15am Aug 18, 2017 9:15am
Quoting Devauxt
{quote} "Didn't he do well"
89 is not a bad age but it's a shit time to go with all this terrorism but as least we know who is causing the terrorism apparently it's far right wing nutjobs

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4802776/Plaid-leader-brands-Barcelona-attack-far-right-terrorism.html

and on a side if anyone thinks it's the west foreign policy that is causing this terrorism explain why Finland was just attacked

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4802796/Multiple-people-injured-attack-Finland.html#comments
  • #8,444
  • Aug 18, 2017 12:13pm Aug 18, 2017 12:13pm
Quoting verv
{quote} We haven't been talking hypothetically, we have been talking specifically and regularly about the protest at Charlettesville and their chants regarding the 'Jews will not replace us'. Started here : https://www.forexfactory.com/showthread.php?p=10183228#post10183228 There was immediate context to that 'qualification'. The bleeding heart liberals are literally full of other minorities, other religions and atheists, but Jews get singled out. That doesn't make sense. There are 5 times the number of black people than Jewish people...
Verv I made a stand alone comment you chose to reply to it. I made the comment because I'm sick of the labels, nothing to do with conversation about Charlettesville. Ok I say another way if people were shouting "Jews will not replace us" like you suggest, does it not enter the psyche to think why would some people say that, rather than think defense immediately. You were the one who got Jewish centric not me. I will also add if I find evidence that is rational to me to support why people would say such a thing I don't have a problem speaking out about it. Everyone seems to default to automatic "Jump to defend Jews". I'm not pointing the finger but I am starting to see what MAG says about "Who Can't You Criticise" and the instant leap to defense at any criticism. Everyone is fair game in my book don't give a shit what their ethnicity or religion is. A bad egg is a bad egg.
Once You See, You Can't Unsee But You Will Get The Odd Poke In The Eye
  • #8,445
  • Aug 18, 2017 12:15pm Aug 18, 2017 12:15pm
Quoting Devauxt
{quote} "Didn't he do well"
Quick witted as usual Dev
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  • #8,446
  • Aug 18, 2017 12:37pm Aug 18, 2017 12:37pm
Hey Jen you done with shopping yet ?!! Tune time.
One of the best voices in the business, Nat King Cole.

https://youtu.be/EG-A_qTAKEI

MAG if you watching from the touchline...

https://youtu.be/FwSmOXR088k
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  • #8,447
  • Edited 4:50pm Aug 18, 2017 2:18pm | Edited 4:50pm
Quoting Stu Effex
{quote} Verv I made a stand alone comment you chose to reply to it. I made the comment because I'm sick of the labels, nothing to do with conversation about Charlettesville. Ok I say another way if people were shouting "Jews will not replace us" like you suggest, does it not enter the psyche to think why would some people say that, rather than think defense immediately. You were the one who got Jewish centric not me. I will also add if I find evidence that is rational to me to support why people would say such a thing I don't have a problem speaking...
With all respect stu, even if you intended that comment to be made in isolation you should have known (and gave me the benefit of doubt) that my reply was about Charlettesville. It's bizarre how you could not have understood that given we just had numerous comments immediately before.

This is not about an inability to criticize, nobody said that, and it's a pathetic defence. It's about having a factual basis for that criticism. I never said you couldn't criticise the Jews, or the Holocaust, all I have done is challenge some of your criticisms.

Mag did indeed say look "Who Can't You Criticise" - lets discuss that for a second. Are holocaust deniers locked up? Is there anyone preventing them from posting or openly talking about those views? Do you get thrown in prison if you are a neo-Nazi? Does the ministry of propaganda come after Magogg (or you) for criticising Jews? Are those holocaust deniers on youtube locked up? It's factually false to say we cannot criticise the Jews. (PS - I'm aware of the very recent google shut down of dailystormer which has drawn criticism). We largely have free speech, we have the ability to criticise whoever we like. Where is and has there been a restriction in speech greatest, oddly in the EXACT countries which Magogg loves to nuthug, Nazi Germany for example.

I would like to freely criticise some of Magogg and your views, but very often when I do I get stone walled with "why can't we criticise the Jews defence" - nobody said you couldn't. Apparently though I can't criticise your interpretation of Jews.

Here are some facts about Jews. There are at least fours Jews in Trump's team. The ones I know are Steve Mnunchin, Gary Cohn, Jared Kushner, and David Shulkin helping Trump administer his policies. Some of the most prolific free market, anti-welfare, anti-collectivism Western thinkers have been Jewish; Fredrich Hayek, Milton Friedman, Ayn Rand, all of which are considered hugely important intellectual figures in the West and to the Republican party. But sure, lets blame Jews.
  • #8,448
  • Aug 18, 2017 2:52pm Aug 18, 2017 2:52pm
Quoting Stu Effex
{quote}if people were shouting "Jews will not replace us" like you suggest.
I'm assuming you watched the video? It's not a suggestion, its a fact - first minute.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P54sP0Nlngg
  • #8,449
  • Aug 18, 2017 8:33pm Aug 18, 2017 8:33pm
Quoting DrManhatten
{quote} "Titles" are part of the identity politics definition.
Speaking of "titles", was on twitter yesterday and was called a nazi 11 times in 4 tweets by the same person. Was feeling the love.
Mark ... Everything you have been told is a LIE
  • #8,450
  • Aug 18, 2017 8:35pm Aug 18, 2017 8:35pm
For any who have heard the Bannon "firing" story. He's already back in charge of Breitbart.

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  • #8,451
  • Aug 18, 2017 11:10pm Aug 18, 2017 11:10pm
Quoting verv
{quote} I'm assuming you watched the video? It's not a suggestion, its a fact - first minute. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P54sP0Nlngg
Yeahh, Trump is slacking, his comedy material is not as funny as it used to be...
  • #8,452
  • Aug 18, 2017 11:41pm Aug 18, 2017 11:41pm
Quoting Stu Effex
Hey Jen you done with shopping yet ?!! Tune time. One of the best voices in the business, Nat King Cole. https://youtu.be/EG-A_qTAKEI MAG if you watching from the touchline... https://youtu.be/FwSmOXR088k
Oh wow! ...not heard that in ages. Not heard the version from Tommy before either. Thanks Stu
Personally and as a fan of EJ I prefer this.....
https://youtu.be/cgg-ryFdrOI

...and whilst digging around I came across this rather affectionate acapela version
https://youtu.be/XvdpjZYLumw
Carbon-Dioxide: the gas of life! https://youtu.be/ttJBdr6eBuo
  • #8,453
  • Aug 18, 2017 11:46pm Aug 18, 2017 11:46pm
I used to have a lot of time for JC, but I'm beginning to think he is a few straws short of a bundle. Anyway, I wrote to Sarah....
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/08/18/defiant-sarah-champion-mp-vows-keep-speaking-sex-abuse-gangs/
Carbon-Dioxide: the gas of life! https://youtu.be/ttJBdr6eBuo
  • #8,454
  • Aug 19, 2017 1:22am Aug 19, 2017 1:22am
Quoting verv
{quote} With all respect stu, even if you intended that comment to be made in isolation you should have known (and gave me the benefit of doubt) that my reply was about Charlettesville. It's bizarre how you could not have understood that given we just had numerous comments immediately before. This is not about an inability to criticize, nobody said that, and it's a pathetic defence. It's about having a factual basis for that criticism. I never said you couldn't criticise the Jews, or the Holocaust, all I have done is challenge some of your criticisms....
Ok Verv if you referring to Charlettesville incident perhaps you should not have replied to my isolated comment. With respect we have numerous topics on the stocks at once. Well this is one place were there is a line for sure about mentioning Jews. MAG was booted in a former life too for being critical of Israel etc etc. Regardless the point I was making is if we say anything, there is a feeling of having to qualify everything due to a fear of labeling. Just as you did when you qualified with "Not scapegoating Jews". If it is your perceptions that MAG "Nuthugs" Nazi Germany that is fine, personally I try to look at all the material posted here from an unbiased viewpoint because clearly some people are well read on certain areas and that is were their interest lies. Mag has posted on varied topics but clearly he feels there are issues with the official Holocaust line and the motives of Israel. That doesn't mean I feel he is an Anti-Semite. To me I just see it as from his own investigations and reading he finds there are issues, I don't make any assumption thereafter that he "Hates All Jews". You can criticise anything I say I really don't care I've been open about my thoughts and have said the jury is out for me as I really don't have sufficient knowledge on the subject to be biased one way or the other. When we post a video or article it is my understanding it is to share and evaluate, it doesn't automatically mean that the poster stands by every word of what is printed or shown. That being said and as I have already said there does appear to be anomalies in the official Holocaust line but because I say that I don't feel I have to qualify that criticism with "but I'm not an Anti-Semite". It's this quick to label issue I have a problem with and Charlettesville was probably a classic example.

"Are holocaust deniers locked up?" Granted this was in Germany but ....

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3770772/Prominent-German-neo-Nazi-convicted-Holocaust-denial.html

It's the same issue with most things, for example, I have a strong dislike of Gay people having public display of petting etc. I just don't think it should be classed as so normal it's ok for kids to see this open display. That does not mean I'm homophobic, what they do in the privacy of their own homes is their own business and I don't care one bit. Similarly I don't think same sex couples should be allowed to adopt or raise children but it doesn't automatically mean I'm anti-gay.
Once You See, You Can't Unsee But You Will Get The Odd Poke In The Eye
  • #8,455
  • Aug 19, 2017 1:28am Aug 19, 2017 1:28am
Quoting Exodus
I used to have a lot of time for JC, but I'm beginning to think he is a few straws short of a bundle. Anyway, I wrote to Sarah.... http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/08/18/defiant-sarah-champion-mp-vows-keep-speaking-sex-abuse-gangs/
Good on ya Ex. This classic example of the lack of freedom to criticise when there is race and religion involved.
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  • #8,456
  • Aug 19, 2017 1:36am Aug 19, 2017 1:36am
Quoting verv
{quote} I'm assuming you watched the video? It's not a suggestion, its a fact - first minute. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P54sP0Nlngg
No I didn't that's why I said "IF" (It is in my queued list ). Again the point I was making was if that is said by so many I'm not automatically labeling them as anything and more interested in why they are saying "Jews Will Not Replace Us"? What information do they have that makes them say that ? As I think it is fairly clear that there is a white replacement program in place but who is behind it ?
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  • #8,457
  • Aug 19, 2017 1:44am Aug 19, 2017 1:44am
For someone on the road !

https://youtu.be/puy_B6AeuKI

And a Lesson for kids too

https://youtu.be/pedAc8rQimw

https://youtu.be/5v9-InvDwMw
Once You See, You Can't Unsee But You Will Get The Odd Poke In The Eye
  • #8,458
  • Aug 19, 2017 1:50am Aug 19, 2017 1:50am
Quoting Exodus
{quote} Oh wow! ...not heard that in ages. Not heard the version from Tommy before either. Thanks Stu Personally and as a fan of EJ I prefer this..... https://youtu.be/cgg-ryFdrOI ...and whilst digging around I came across this rather affectionate acapela version https://youtu.be/XvdpjZYLumw

Most Welcome Ex. Where would we be without music, I dread to think ! That Ukulele orchestra reminds me of this girl, think she is amazing
she also has this amazing "TRUMPET" vocal going on, have to watch all !


https://youtu.be/oz-tKHH5QzA
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  • #8,459
  • Aug 19, 2017 4:50am Aug 19, 2017 4:50am
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Cops ambushed last night in Florida. 1 dead. Democrat state lawmaker tweeting that she hoped president Trump gets assassinated. We move even closer to anarchy.
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  • #8,460
  • Aug 19, 2017 4:55am Aug 19, 2017 4:55am
On R4 at 2pm (UK BST) is a program discussing whether Sarah Champion should have resigned her shadow post just because she spoke out.

They invited comments, but I shall just listen I think.
Carbon-Dioxide: the gas of life! https://youtu.be/ttJBdr6eBuo
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