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  • #8,261
  • Aug 13, 2017 2:10pm Aug 13, 2017 2:10pm
Quoting verv
{quote} So instead of posting these documents, you instead posted a flimsy Spectator article which I also happened to find with a one minute google yesterday. If I was to make a claim I would want to back it up strongly. {quote} I don't think my criticisms of some of the content posted is solely of youtube videos. Those same criticisms apply to many of the other fringe websites posted here. In just yesterday also posted this about disinformation: "Its tools and channels now include the Internet, social media, and the evolving landscape of professional...
I think we should agree to disagree
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  • #8,262
  • Aug 13, 2017 2:25pm Aug 13, 2017 2:25pm
Quoting Magog
{quote} One more q 4 u What happened to the 6 mil bodies
cremate

you said earlier in a now delete post it was made up to justify the existence of Israel but surely there are smaller lies to be told to justify Israel wound you not agree?
  • #8,263
  • Aug 13, 2017 3:13pm Aug 13, 2017 3:13pm
Quoting Ross88
{quote} cremate you said earlier in a now delete post it was made up to justify the existence of Israel but surely there are smaller lies to be told to justify Israel wound you not agree?
It takes abt 3hrs to cremate one body(with todays technology)
Do the math
To cremate 6mil bodies would take 20 years if they did 100 per day - thats everyday 24/7 365 days py.
Do you really think they cremated 6mil bodies in less tan 5 yrs(ie bfore the end of the war)
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  • #8,264
  • Aug 13, 2017 3:16pm Aug 13, 2017 3:16pm
Censorship in action.

https://www.intellihub.com/infowars-editor-paul-joseph-watson-banned-from-facebook-over-2016-feminism-parody-video/
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  • #8,265
  • Aug 13, 2017 4:52pm Aug 13, 2017 4:52pm
Quoting DrManhatten
{quote} Actually yes! I find this to be an interesting topic. I totally agree with your disposition and point of view in regards to what governments will do to sell the public on what is truth. I for one hold certain views. I don't discuss them very often due to it being taboo to do so, and for fear of being labeled something that is unsavory to the norm of being acceptable. However, if I use covert inferences you will understand why. The way I view the many arguments in which the video you prescribed points out are indeed poignant, controversial,...
Thanks for that very detailed reply Doc and I'm not qualified to be a grammar cop . Yes similar situation about civil war. I wasn't aware of the involvement by German banks, Jewish owned then ? In 1923 there were 150 Jewish owned private banks in Berlin and 11 non Jewish owned. Then came the hyper inflation and ordinary Fritz needed 3 wheelbarrows full of marks to buy a loaf.
Is this the tack you are on ?
http://rense.com/general29/why.htm

As with every historical situation there will be the official history, taught in most educational establishments and there will be the independent historians who just have a fervor for getting to the real facts and I suppose I do have some bias in that I tend to lean away from the official line as always sceptical of officialdoms version of any event. What is interesting with historical events a historian who presents a different slant is no longer a historian, they automatically become a revisionist and it has the same tone as the use of the race card today in my opinion. It's just a way to shut someone down or discredit them. Sorry this is short but will reply to Verv and explain further.
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  • #8,267
  • Aug 13, 2017 5:42pm Aug 13, 2017 5:42pm
Quoting verv
{quote} Stu, homemade YouTube videos that distort and omit basic historical fact to promote a particular narrative is propaganda. It is not a source to be used as an academic basis for historical enquiry. You tell me you are doing some historical research, and then you post that crap about Hitler? A video spun with half truths absent of context that relies solely on the word of a lying and manipulative Hitler? That's not research, that's being as gullible as the German people were during WWII. Hopefully that is not an example of the other research...
Verv the reason I chose that vid was because it was relatively short and covered points which I have read about. The maker did cite his references, Chapter 13 Mein Kampf and 3 speeches. There was some supposition but believe those views were based on other findings and relevant to the speeches. The fact that it was homemade or not really has no relevance. Everything you say can be reversed and directed at what is the accepted line too. Do you accept that ? It is only because you choose to accept the official version of events that you can say everything else is lies. I don't have the time to become an expert on the official version of events for the whole war but there are aspects which can be taken in isolation and looked at from both sides of the fence and an opinion formed, which incidentally as I have already said the jury is still out for me but when you start to find half truths and adjusting figures because they were plucked out of thin air it does raise suspicions about what other BS have they spun.

You have confirmed your own bias by expressing your opinions above and they are only opinions based on you believing the force fed version of events and that is fine. I put the vid up to discuss, your thoughts are clear but please don't patronise me with advice on how to conduct research.
Stories like this don't come out of thin air and neither are they mentioned in official dispatches, so do we just ignore it because it's not part of the official history?

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/history/10336126/Nazis-offered-to-leave-western-Europe-in-exchange-for-free-hand-to-attack-USSR.html
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  • #8,268
  • Aug 13, 2017 5:42pm Aug 13, 2017 5:42pm
Quoting Magog
{quote} It takes abt 3hrs to cremate one body(with todays technology) Do the math To cremate 6mil bodies would take 20 years if they did 100 per day - thats everyday 24/7 365 days py. Do you really think they cremated 6mil bodies in less tan 5 yrs(ie bfore the end of the war)
they in this crazy scheme to save time did not do it one at a time
  • #8,269
  • Aug 13, 2017 5:46pm Aug 13, 2017 5:46pm
Quoting Ross88
{quote} do you remember Alica Esteve head she clam to be at 9/11 and was just lying it's not proof that 9/11 did not happen it's just proof people are liars
Ross that was just highlighting one incident, there are many more anomalies. I posted a vid which was research done by a Jewish guy who has serious doubts about the official line at Auschwitz.
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  • #8,270
  • Aug 13, 2017 5:52pm Aug 13, 2017 5:52pm
Quoting Stu Effex
{quote} Ross that was just highlighting one incident, there are many more anomalies. I posted a vid which was research done by a Jewish guy who has serious doubts about the official line at Auschwitz.
i know i was being a bit silly my point is you guys seem like you come to the conclusion that the Holocaust is fake or exaggerated and look for evidence to prove so


on a side note i found this youtube channel recently you may like it it's get lots of classic like Mike Tyson as a amateur

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f1TK-Wm5tKg

and really old stuff like Gene Tunney

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PkZ-Yl-Wsk4
  • #8,271
  • Aug 13, 2017 5:55pm Aug 13, 2017 5:55pm
Quoting Ross88
{quote} they in this crazy scheme to save time did not do it one at a time
Or just throw them into a big pit

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/58/Auschwitz_Resistance_280_cropped.jpg/555px-Auschwitz_Resistance_280_cropped.jpg
  • #8,272
  • Aug 13, 2017 6:06pm Aug 13, 2017 6:06pm
Quoting Ross88
{quote} i know i was being a bit silly my point is you guys seem like you come to the conclusion that the Holocaust is fake or exaggerated and look for evidence to prove so on a side note i found this youtube channel recently you may like it it's get lots of classic like Mike Tyson as a amateur https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f1TK-Wm5tKg and really old stuff like Gene Tunney https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PkZ-Yl-Wsk4
I'm not totally saying it is a fake but there are some glaring anomalies. Read what spz posted about an hour ago and read around those topics alone. You don't have to be columbo to see some of the issues.

Thanks for boxing links mate will put in queue.
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  • #8,273
  • Aug 13, 2017 6:09pm Aug 13, 2017 6:09pm
Quoting Ross88
{quote} they in this crazy scheme to save time did not do it one at a time
No thats right, one at a time would take abt 700 yrs.
Nothing strengthens authority so much as silence
  • #8,274
  • Aug 13, 2017 6:10pm Aug 13, 2017 6:10pm
Quoting verv
{quote} Or just throw them into a big pit https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/58/Auschwitz_Resistance_280_cropped.jpg/555px-Auschwitz_Resistance_280_cropped.jpg
What is it showing exactly ? Liberating forces placing the deceased ravaged by typhus into huge pyres to prevent further spread ?

Or we just make the assumption it is some kind of atrocity ?
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  • #8,275
  • Aug 13, 2017 6:21pm Aug 13, 2017 6:21pm
Quoting Stu Effex
{quote} Verv the reason I chose that vid was because it was relatively short and covered points which I have read about. The maker did cite his references, Chapter 13 Mein Kampf and 3 speeches. There was some supposition but believe those views were based on other findings and relevant to the speeches. The fact that it was homemade or not really has no relevance. Everything you say can be reversed and directed at what is the accepted line too. Do you accept that ? It is only because you choose to accept the official version of events that you can...
Stu, I made a considerable number of points in my first post and you ignored all of them. Those points challenged that video and how you conduct your 'research'.

I don't care if that sounds patronising, that's your problem. If you cannot defend some of the points you are making then don't post it.

I'm opening for changing my mind on just about any belief I hold, but there needs to be crediblity to the argument. Do you seriously expect me to believe that Hitler was a great chap, because you posted a video which is almost entirely Hitler's version of events in his own words? Give me a break Stu.

Regarding the telegraph article above, Hess was widely thought to have come to talk peace, Hitler abandoning Western Europe is a new one though.
  • #8,276
  • Aug 13, 2017 6:31pm Aug 13, 2017 6:31pm
Quoting Stu Effex
{quote} What is it showing exactly ? Liberating forces placing the deceased ravaged by typhus into huge pyres to prevent further spread ? Or we just make the assumption it is some kind of atrocity ?
If you have specific information regarding this picture link it. Maybe it's the Nazis maybe it's the allies.

But the important point is one you just made, if the the allies could burn huge piles of corpses quickly, why couldn't the Germans do exactly the same?
  • #8,277
  • Aug 13, 2017 7:31pm Aug 13, 2017 7:31pm
Quoting verv
{quote} Stu, I made a considerable number of points in my first post and you ignored all of them. Those points challenged that video and how you conduct your 'research'. I don't care if that sounds patronising, that's your problem. If you cannot defend some of the points you are making then don't post it. I'm opening for changing my mind on just about any belief I hold, but there needs to be crediblity to the argument. Do you seriously expect me to believe that Hitler was a great chap, because you posted a video which is almost entirely Hitler's...
Verv I don't need to defend anything, in my original post with the vid I said let's discuss. Based on our governments tell us some whoppers. I didn't say that I was endorsing every point, I merely said "Let's discuss ?" Again you are putting your shovel where there isn't any, I said previously that I wasn't saying Hitler was a spiffing chap and don't expect you to believe anything. My last words were "Let's discuss" instead you chose not to discuss but trivialise it as trash based on your own beliefs. You have the opinion that every word in those speeches were lies based on your belief in conformist history. That is fine, wind ya neck in.

I am actually trying to find a source that I have read regarding the start of the bombing and the three month wait by Hitler, I think it may have been referenced in a book by J.Spaight who was assistant secretary at the air ministry. Will look in the week. Hitting the sack. Good Night All.
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  • #8,278
  • Aug 13, 2017 7:33pm Aug 13, 2017 7:33pm
Quoting verv
{quote} If you have specific information regarding this picture link it. Maybe it's the Nazis maybe it's the allies. But the important point is one you just made, if the the allies could burn huge piles of corpses quickly, why couldn't the Germans do exactly the same?
I did post something about it few weeks back. Will look back tomorrow.
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  • #8,279
  • Aug 13, 2017 8:55pm Aug 13, 2017 8:55pm
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  • #8,280
  • Edited 2:23am Aug 14, 2017 1:52am | Edited 2:23am
Quoting Stu Effex
{quote} Thanks for that very detailed reply Doc and I'm not qualified to be a grammar cop . Yes similar situation about civil war. I wasn't aware of the involvement by German banks, Jewish owned then ? In 1923 there were 150 Jewish owned private banks in Berlin and 11 non Jewish owned. Then came the hyper inflation and ordinary Fritz needed 3 wheelbarrows full of marks to buy a loaf. Is this the tack you are on ? http://rense.com/general29/why.htm As with every historical situation there will be the official history, taught in most...
I am not sure if the German banks were headed by jewish bankers, but I wouldnt be surprised if they were. That article is an interesting read but I refrain from commenting on it further. I dont want to appear to be anti semitic because truly I am not. I do understand like you that there are always an alternative point of view to most things in history, and like I said before somewhere between one source and an alternative point of view lays the truth. This is how I view most things within historical context. My main interest though in all of this is the common theme of the banks and the role that they have played throughout human history. Some would argue that Jesus, when he went to the temple to disrupt the money changers by turning over their tables is where (metaphorically speaking of course) the symbolism can be inferred that the banks role in destroying humanities ability to provide the basic needs to life came from. It is IMHO, that banking reform in the most extreme measure is the greatest issue facing humanity today. This one issue transcends all races, religion etc., etc., but it is a human issue! If you never have seen the movie "The Secret of OZ" by Bill Still, I highly recommend watching it. This one movie changed my views forever on how I look at the banks and the fractional lending reserve system of currency!

https://youtu.be/oohXjJdxxSk
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