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  • #6,261
  • Jul 5, 2017 2:01pm Jul 5, 2017 2:01pm
Yea I think thats right still the situ seems scary to me I've never even seen a civilian with a gun

Quoting jarhead
{quote} I can't seem to find facts on the net quick as in the past. This is from memory. If you took either 3 or 4 states -- or a half dozen cities out of the mix (can't remember which), all democrat controlled -- we would have one of the lowest homicide rates among the industrialized nations.
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  • #6,262
  • Jul 5, 2017 2:04pm Jul 5, 2017 2:04pm
I thought this was Albert Finney for a moment


https://youtu.be/5U3PLxUvhIc
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  • #6,263
  • Jul 5, 2017 2:14pm Jul 5, 2017 2:14pm
Quoting Bones
In fact you could scale that argument down ,some people simply should not have a weapon Im pro having a deterrent but if no one else had nukes i'd be anti defiantly I don't agree people not having a gun allows more chance of some kind of takeover in the modern world ,thats what the armies for If I lived in the US i'd have a gun for protection because thats what I'm up against {quote}
Seems to be an opinion based on how and where we were raised. I fully agree on the nukes -- love to be rid of them all.

I personally, strongly dislike confrontation and disharmony. I had much rather smile than frown. All I enjoy killing is "skeeters" trying to bite me. I try not to kill anything. I brake for snakes, squirrels, even try to avoid rats runn'in across the road. I will walk away from a fight if at all possible. What we have been talking about all week is what happens in those rare moments we aren't allowed to walk away. I done on that.
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  • #6,264
  • Jul 5, 2017 2:49pm Jul 5, 2017 2:49pm
Quoting Stu Effex
Another example of our freedom https://youtu.be/eMgRB64JX7Q
I signed....
Carbon-Dioxide: the gas of life! https://youtu.be/ttJBdr6eBuo
  • #6,265
  • Jul 5, 2017 2:51pm Jul 5, 2017 2:51pm
Quoting jarhead
It just gets better by the day! The democrats are putting together a bill demanding the "mental fitness" of the president be tested to see if he is fit to govern. Now try to envision this -- ya got people like Nancy Pelosi, Chuck Schumer, Maxine Waters, John Lewis, Elijah Cummings and others who have trouble putting together a string of cohesive words to form a complete sentence wanting to test anyone for mental competence. We got a whole pile of "Corbyns". It's called the democrat party.
Seems like the swamp is starting to dry-out.
Carbon-Dioxide: the gas of life! https://youtu.be/ttJBdr6eBuo
  • #6,266
  • Jul 5, 2017 2:53pm Jul 5, 2017 2:53pm
Quoting Bones
In fact you could scale that argument down ,some people simply should not have a weapon Im pro having a deterrent but if no one else had nukes i'd be anti defiantly I don't agree people not having a gun allows more chance of some kind of takeover in the modern world ,thats what the armies for If I lived in the US i'd have a gun for protection because thats what I'm up against {quote}
When the civil war starts we all lose. The army will be of no use.
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  • #6,267
  • Jul 5, 2017 3:02pm Jul 5, 2017 3:02pm
Quoting jarhead
We got a whole pile of "Corbyns". It's called the democrat party.
Do you have any Diane Abbots?
  • #6,268
  • Jul 5, 2017 3:09pm Jul 5, 2017 3:09pm
Quoting jarhead
{quote} Seems to be an opinion based on how and where we were raised.
In the UK we are not allowed to defend ourselves. Carrying knives, crowbars or baseball bats is considered to be carrying an offensive weapon. You can't buy a sledge hammer or pick-axe without ID. Even having a bat in your trunk is deemed to be 'carrying' unless you also have a catcher's glove and a ball.

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I fully agree on the nukes -- love to be rid of them all.
Oppenheimer said something like "what have I done"
Dim Kim has some enormous ordnance, let's hope it all goes 'bang' on the launch pad ... if it ever comes to it.
There is no turning back
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  • #6,269
  • Jul 5, 2017 3:18pm Jul 5, 2017 3:18pm
Quoting Exodus
{quote} In the UK we are not allowed to defend ourselves. Carrying knives, crowbars or baseball bats is considered to be carrying an offensive weapon. You can't buy a sledge hammer or pick-axe without ID. Even having a bat in your trunk is deemed to be 'carrying' unless you also have a catcher's glove and a ball. {quote} Oppenheimer said something like "what have I done" Dim Kim has some enormous ordnance, let's hope it all goes 'bang' on the launch pad ... if it ever comes to it. There is no turning back

Some heavy duty steel BBQ tools and a claw hammer with couple random tools pass muster.
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  • #6,270
  • Jul 5, 2017 3:18pm Jul 5, 2017 3:18pm
Quoting jarhead
{quote} Seems to be an opinion based on how and where we were raised. I fully agree on the nukes -- love to be rid of them all. I personally, strongly dislike confrontation and disharmony. I had much rather smile than frown. All I enjoy killing is "skeeters" trying to bite me. I try not to kill anything. I brake for snakes, squirrels, even try to avoid rats runn'in across the road. I will walk away from a fight if at all possible. What we have been talking about all week is what happens in those rare moments we aren't allowed to walk away. I done...
America is such a different beast to the UK. We are just a small island and you are never more than about 20 minutes walk from a road or seeing another person. I live in a sleepy village where there is no crime. The most exciting thing that's happened in all the neighbouring villages here in the last year was a bike got nicked. We talk about problems a lot on here, with Muslims and terror attacks etc, but in reality that is a world away from me. The UK is not full of Muslims causing aggro everywhere though it would be easy to think so. So for the majority of us, what use is a gun? Also as Ross said earlier, the penalties for being in possession of a gun is so severe, none of us really worry that they will be used.

The recent terror attacks could have happened anywhere, guns or no guns. In fact if the terrorists had guns instead of a van and knives, the death toll would have been unthinkable. They were shot dead by the police within 8 minutes of the first 999 call. It is also easy to criticise our intelligence services, but if you looked at how many serious attacks were actually foiled, it puts into perspective that they were actually doing a decent job.
  • #6,271
  • Jul 5, 2017 3:18pm Jul 5, 2017 3:18pm
In Jamaica you can get a steak and kidney pie for £1.75, a chicken and mushroom pie for £1.60 and an apple pie for £2.15.
In St Kitts and Nevis a steak and kidney pie will cost you £2, a chicken pie (without mushrooms) is £1.70 and a cherry pie can be yours for £1.95.
In Trinidad and Tobago, that steak and kidney pie comes in at £2.50, but you can two for £3.50, while the chicken and mushroom pie is £2.25, or two for £3.25. They also offer meat and potato pie for £2, or two for £3. Their apple pies and cherry pies are often sold for £2.75, or two (any combination) for £4.75.
Those are the Pie Rates of the Caribbean
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  • #6,272
  • Jul 5, 2017 3:24pm Jul 5, 2017 3:24pm
Quoting Stu Effex
In Jamaica you can get a steak and kidney pie for 1.75, a chicken and mushroom pie for 1.60 and an apple pie for 2.15. In St Kitts and Nevis a steak and kidney pie will cost you 2, a chicken pie (without mushrooms) is 1.70 and a cherry pie can be yours for 1.95. In Trinidad and Tobago, that steak and kidney pie comes in at 2.50, but you can two for 3.50, while the chicken and mushroom pie is 2.25, or two for 3.25. They also offer meat and potato pie for 2, or two for 3. Their apple pies and cherry pies are often sold for 2.75, or two (any combination)...
I am following the Tour de France. I think Greg Lemond ate all those pies.
  • #6,273
  • Jul 5, 2017 3:39pm Jul 5, 2017 3:39pm
Quoting jen101
{quote} America is such a different beast to the UK. We are just a small island and you are never more than about 20 minutes walk from a road or seeing another person. I live in a sleepy village where there is no crime. The most exciting thing that's happened in all the neighbouring villages here in the last year was a bike got nicked. We talk about problems a lot on here, with Muslims and terror attacks etc, but in reality that is a world away from me. The UK is not full of Muslims causing aggro everywhere though it would be easy to think so. So...
The big one for gun crime are the up and coming supposed gangsters trying to make their mark. 16 - 18 year olds only do 3 years at a young offenders which they wear like a badge and is almost like an apprenticeship with added bonus of it being served in Butlins. They have no fear. This is the age group that are the most dangerous IMO and the stats in every major city show gun crime is on a trajectory.
Once You See, You Can't Unsee But You Will Get The Odd Poke In The Eye
  • #6,274
  • Jul 5, 2017 3:43pm Jul 5, 2017 3:43pm
Quoting jen101
{quote} I am following the Tour de France. I think Greg Lemond ate all those pies.
Ha ha he 2 or 3 time winner isn't he ? He had enough of those really lean times.
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  • #6,275
  • Jul 5, 2017 5:59pm Jul 5, 2017 5:59pm
Quoting Exodus
{quote} Seems like the swamp is starting to dry-out.
It is very interesting to watch, mate. The swamp critters gett'in a tad nervous.
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  • #6,276
  • Jul 5, 2017 6:02pm Jul 5, 2017 6:02pm
Quoting jen101
{quote} Do you have any Diane Abbots?
Yep!!

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  • #6,277
  • Jul 5, 2017 6:07pm Jul 5, 2017 6:07pm
Quoting Exodus
{quote} In the UK we are not allowed to defend ourselves. Carrying knives, crowbars or baseball bats is considered to be carrying an offensive weapon. You can't buy a sledge hammer or pick-axe without ID. Even having a bat in your trunk is deemed to be 'carrying' unless you also have a catcher's glove and a ball.
I love you Brits and England -- but I would simply not live there under those conditions.

Again, not insulting -- just the way I was raised.

Being truly free does have it's challenges, responsibilities, and liabilities. We in the US have a lot of things to fix. We finally have someone in the Oval office that understands the problems. That's the first step.
Defending Truth, Capitalism and the US Constitution
  • #6,278
  • Jul 5, 2017 6:12pm Jul 5, 2017 6:12pm
Quoting jen101
{quote} America is such a different beast to the UK. We are just a small island and you are never more than about 20 minutes walk from a road or seeing another person. I live in a sleepy village where there is no crime. The most exciting thing that's happened in all the neighbouring villages here in the last year was a bike got nicked. We talk about problems a lot on here, with Muslims and terror attacks etc, but in reality that is a world away from me. The UK is not full of Muslims causing aggro everywhere though it would be easy to think so. So...
I sincerely hope where you live stays that way. Sounds like a wonderful place to reside! I know your family is an asset to the community.
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  • #6,279
  • Jul 5, 2017 7:16pm Jul 5, 2017 7:16pm
Yes by no means do I think your any more violent than anyone else ,actually this is where we agree if everyone has guns I need one

Quoting jarhead
{quote} Seems to be an opinion based on how and where we were raised. I fully agree on the nukes -- love to be rid of them all. I personally, strongly dislike confrontation and disharmony. I had much rather smile than frown. All I enjoy killing is "skeeters" trying to bite me. I try not to kill anything. I brake for snakes, squirrels, even try to avoid rats runn'in across the road. I will walk away from a fight if at all possible. What we have been talking about all week is what happens in those rare moments we aren't allowed to walk away. I done...

But then I would say using the nukes example if you like us had very little guns in your state and went to prison just for holding one ,would it still be your right to have one ?

Where we would diverge on opinion is that I consider the fact I feel I don't need a gun is the ultimate freedom.
Maybe if I had one under my bed and that made me feel safe all my life I would be the same Im not giving it away

Quoting jarhead
Guns are interwoven in our history. It represents freedom. I was born free and I will die free -.
On-site guru & also FF member's' psychiatrist, when not drinking tea
  • #6,280
  • Jul 6, 2017 1:58am Jul 6, 2017 1:58am
Quoting Bones
Where we would diverge on opinion is that I consider the fact I feel I don't need a gun is the ultimate freedom.
Absolutely. Not feeling scared and the need to have to defend myself is the ultimate freedom.
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