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  • #6,061
  • Jun 30, 2017 11:53am Jun 30, 2017 11:53am
Quoting Stu Effex
{quote} All of that is fine mate. My Daughter has worked the doors and been training many years Ross. I'm not suggesting anyone can go out and do any heroics. What I am saying is appropriate training makes you a different a different ball game to deal with. A side knee kick doesn't have to be that accurate, 3" or 4 " above or below it will still go, no over confidence mate it's fact. I pointed out about the knee purely to illustrate there are weak points that can be taken advantage of. I could give Jen a list a mile long, she will also tell you...
Training in a martial art teaches you observation, balance, avoidance, technique and above all, control. With all this comes confidence and that can be the most disarming of all
  • #6,062
  • Jun 30, 2017 12:12pm Jun 30, 2017 12:12pm
Quoting Devauxt
{quote} Training in a martial art teaches you observation, balance, avoidance, technique and above all, control. With all this comes confidence and that can be the most disarming of all
Exactly, it's not an automatic pass, it's just about increasing odds. You are used to getting hit, you are used to dealing with different body weights and shapes. It's not about being invincible, it's just trying to create an edge. Just awareness alone can help. Example, If I go to a bar, I scope the layout straight away, it's not being paranoid it's just readiness. I will never stand at a bar and have people behind me for a prolonged period. I will always try to choose to find a location were I can see what's going on and preferably with nobody behind. It's risk management.
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  • #6,063
  • Jun 30, 2017 12:13pm Jun 30, 2017 12:13pm


https://youtu.be/BwBKjK7Xik0
Once You See, You Can't Unsee But You Will Get The Odd Poke In The Eye
  • #6,064
  • Jun 30, 2017 12:44pm Jun 30, 2017 12:44pm
https://youtu.be/V6EVKpN8JHU
Once You See, You Can't Unsee But You Will Get The Odd Poke In The Eye
  • #6,065
  • Jun 30, 2017 2:37pm Jun 30, 2017 2:37pm
Quoting Ross88
{quote} Q,My daughter at 8.5 stone can deal with a guy of 16 stone no issue and with a kick so doesn't matter about hips etc you have to be prepared to use it all and deal with going to ground if need be. i'm sorry to sounded pessimistic but i think this may be over confidence on your part maybe she can generate enough power to stop a men if she hits in the right target but as you previously said the odds of someone attacking you face to face are small and on top of that the closer you are the harder it is to get power in kicking someone or punching...
Thanks Ross but I'm not a triangular gorilla. I don't have narrow shoulders but I would like to improve upper body and core strength. I'm doing circuit type workouts and hitting and kicking shit out of a punchbag, lol. My power to weight ratio is pretty good compared to other women, but then I am 14% body fat and 52 kgs.

I think knowing some moves gives confidence, whether or not in reality they work or not. At least it's better than being too scared to do anything! If it came down to it, who knows, I would probably forget everything and just fight dirty. I would be likely to be holding my car keys, so I would be going for the eyes, throat and nuts. Yes, I know how to deal with a punch, but let's face it, that would be unlikely. With the running part, it all comes down to wearing the right shoes. Pretty buggered if you're not.
  • #6,066
  • Jun 30, 2017 3:11pm Jun 30, 2017 3:11pm
Quoting Stu Effex
{quote} All of that is fine mate. My Daughter has worked the doors and been training many years Ross. I'm not suggesting anyone can go out and do any heroics. What I am saying is appropriate training makes you a different a different ball game to deal with. A side knee kick doesn't have to be that accurate, 3" or 4 " above or below it will still go, no over confidence mate it's fact. I pointed out about the knee purely to illustrate there are weak points that can be taken advantage of. I could give Jen a list a mile long, she will also tell you...
Think Stu has done a fine job here. From talking with him and what he has posted, it is clear he knows what he is talking about.

But fight or flight or adrenal stress conditioning is where even a lot of the effective martial arts fall down. Of course, there are many martial arts systems that are ineffective and many which were never designed for self defense.

So it is a very important and vital part of any effective program. Yes of course, muscle memory but also the adrenal stress conditioning. This can and should be accomplished in a variety of ways but is absolutely essential to any effective self defense system. This is why many would and will fail, and a few moves ain't gonna save you.

Also, the confidence. You must commit 100% and believe 100% that whatever you choose to do is going to be effective. Otherwise, you are done before it has even started. So not overconfidence. There are higher levels but that is sufficient for effective self defense.
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  • #6,067
  • Jun 30, 2017 11:27pm Jun 30, 2017 11:27pm
Quoting jen101
{quote} Thanks Ross but I'm not a triangular gorilla. I don't have narrow shoulders but I would like to improve upper body and core strength. I'm doing circuit type workouts and hitting and kicking shit out of a punchbag, lol. My power to weight ratio is pretty good compared to other women, but then I am 14% body fat and 52 kgs. I think knowing some moves gives confidence, whether or not in reality they work or not. At least it's better than being too scared to do anything! If it came down to it, who knows, I would probably forget everything...
Hey Jen no such thing as fighting dirty when some goon is trying to attack/molest you, its having the presence of mind and conviction to do whatever it takes. As Scott says below the right training and learning to deal with the adrenaline dump, it is surprising what capabilities what many consider smaller people can have. Most bully type situations never expect an onslaught because they generally think they are picking their mark, I would assume rapists in same category, sneaky bastards trying to pick their mark on what they consider to be the meek, if you turn out to be a Tasmanian Devil you already broke their perception. In any situation you will be far better placed than someone who is not used to or been subject too any kind of physical stress testing. And by that I mean someone attempting t knock 7 bells out of you in training. I think this horse is flogged now.
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  • #6,068
  • Jul 1, 2017 1:48am Jul 1, 2017 1:48am
Quoting Stu Effex
{quote} Hey Jen no such thing as fighting dirty when some goon is trying to attack/molest you, its having the presence of mind and conviction to do whatever it takes. As Scott says below the right training and learning to deal with the adrenaline dump, it is surprising what capabilities what many consider smaller people can have. Most bully type situations never expect an onslaught because they generally think they are picking their mark, I would assume rapists in same category, sneaky bastards trying to pick their mark on what they consider to...
That's it. No system or hits are foolproof, but let's put this into perspective. I am pretty sure though that I am able to hurt someone if they had a go at me and that is probably enough to make them think twice. Ok I might not be able to dislocate their kneecaps, but it's going to bloody hurt. I am not an easy target and there are a lot easier out there. Simple things like I am never drunk and I never walk about after dark alone. I drive to most places. Years ago when I was clubbing a lot, I always drove and never relied on anyone else for transport. I only ever drank water and out of a bottle, never a glass. Now I know a little Kung Fu and am learning more. I have done sport all my life and I am used to pushing the limits. I'm tougher than I look.
  • #6,069
  • Jul 1, 2017 2:42am Jul 1, 2017 2:42am
Quoting jen101
{quote} That's it. No system or hits are foolproof, but let's put this into perspective. I am pretty sure though that I am able to hurt someone if they had a go at me and that is probably enough to make them think twice. Ok I might not be able to dislocate their kneecaps, but it's going to bloody hurt. I am not an easy target and there are a lot easier out there. Simple things like I am never drunk and I never walk about after dark alone. I drive to most places. Years ago when I was clubbing a lot, I always drove and never relied on anyone else...
Hi Jen,

It just so happens I am an expert in this field, much like Stu.

As I remember it, it randomly came up in conversation with Stu and I was polite, and expressed interest. About 98% of the time, that is where it ends as they usually have no idea what they are talking about and/or trained in something ineffective. Stu is different, he actually know what he is talking about.

But you are correct, awareness and intelligent behavior like you describe above will avoid 90% of potential situations. It is only 10% of the time where you will need actual skills when the person is so deranged, angry, hurt, drunk, etc where there is no other choice.

Here is an example of some effective adrenal stress training. Usually it starts with strictly verbal in a line with no physical contact allowed and the emotional support of others standing next to you. You would be amazed how many people break down simply by having someone get in their face and yell at them. If you can not handle that....

One of my training partners did a similar but more advanced seminar as the video below. They send you in the woods and you hike and they randomly attack you through the day, sometimes multiple people, sometimes with weapons, sometimes just yelling...Of course, I could not go at the time as life happens but he hit the first guy so hard he had to actually stop as he needed medical attention, that is a $10,000 suit and is supposed to prevent that...Kind of negated the rest of the day, the attackers were too cautious from then on....But also is indicative of the force a properly trained person can deliver when the adrenaline kicks in...

I am not sure what the fascination is here with dislocating kneecaps is? My experience is that it is a little harder than one might expect if attacker is in legitimate stance but certainly advocate low zones, just think there are usually better options....

https://youtu.be/SDQWzcEhtY0
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  • #6,070
  • Jul 1, 2017 2:48am Jul 1, 2017 2:48am
After the last few pages and bc its Saturday I can only think...................

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pSA_RLCriHs
Nothing strengthens authority so much as silence
  • #6,071
  • Jul 1, 2017 3:32am Jul 1, 2017 3:32am
9/11 Simplified

https://jamesperloff.com/2017/06/30/911-simplified/
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  • #6,072
  • Edited 4:22am Jul 1, 2017 4:09am | Edited 4:22am
Quoting Exodus
{quote} Merkel has just stubbed her toe. The German government has just voted to legalise gay-marriage ... that will upset a few migrants. She gave the members a free vote, although she stated that she votes against it. (apologies in advance if that turns out to be fake news)
I don't think that is fake news bro, and one that doesn't surprise me in the least bit. Then again on second thought voting on such measures, is a way to keep her constituents happy in hopes that she maintains her power come September. What really gets me is that she is complaining about Trump holding her to account for failure to meet her countries (Germany's) financial obligations for being a member of NATO, then is spending billions on Military research in secret. Seems to me that the Germans are at it again with their Military ambitions by promoting an EU army. Surely we have seen this before when it comes to Germany, WWI and WWII come to mind, no?
Funny how history is repeating itself again, and why should a country led by Merkel be trusted to lead such a cause in the guise of such false pretenses? I am shaking my head at this, if Europe is once again led down a path like blind sheep only to be fooled again, then they truly have not learned their lessons of the past.
  • #6,073
  • Jul 1, 2017 4:15am Jul 1, 2017 4:15am
Quoting jarhead
{quote} Sometimes it takes years, sometimes even decades -- but historians and real investigative reporters uncover the truth. The stuff that will be uncovered concerning the Clinton's will shock many. Though I think Bush 43 was a good man personally, his administration was weak and very liberal. And the stuff we find out about the Obama administration would make any third world despot proud. As far as I can see, Trump and his administration (cabinet) is the first we have ever had that are all highly successful in private life, that can't be bought...
Yes very true! The biggest mistake our founding fathers made was not having term limits! If now we can get that on the table as a front and center issue, then truly bringing back the public servant to serve again will actually have profound meaning instead of the career politicians we are so swamped with today!
  • #6,074
  • Jul 1, 2017 4:15am Jul 1, 2017 4:15am
Labour wanted mass immigration to make UK more multicultural, says former adviser

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/law-and-order/6418456/Labour-wanted-mass-immigration-to-make-UK-more-multicultural-says-former-adviser.html
Nothing strengthens authority so much as silence
  • #6,075
  • Jul 1, 2017 4:20am Jul 1, 2017 4:20am
Quoting Stu Effex
{quote} Hey Jen no such thing as fighting dirty when some goon is trying to attack/molest you, its having the presence of mind and conviction to do whatever it takes. As Scott says below the right training and learning to deal with the adrenaline dump, it is surprising what capabilities what many consider smaller people can have. Most bully type situations never expect an onslaught because they generally think they are picking their mark, I would assume rapists in same category, sneaky bastards trying to pick their mark on what they consider to...
You got that right! I was always told by a drill sergeant way back a time, Prison rules apply, which in essence means there are no rules.
  • #6,076
  • Jul 1, 2017 4:24am Jul 1, 2017 4:24am
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  • #6,077
  • Jul 1, 2017 4:49am Jul 1, 2017 4:49am
No, Mark Carney, Brexit Didn't Cause Inflation — You Did

https://mises.org/library/no-mark-carney-brexit-didnt-cause-inflation-%E2%80%94-you-did#.WVcs3NaDiJg.twitter
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  • #6,078
  • Jul 1, 2017 6:57am Jul 1, 2017 6:57am
Quoting Mr. Scott
{quote} Hi Jen, It just so happens I am an expert in this field, much like Stu. As I remember it, it randomly came up in conversation with Stu and I was polite, and expressed interest. About 98% of the time, that is where it ends as they usually have no idea what they are talking about and/or trained in something ineffective. Stu is different, he actually know what he is talking about. But you are correct, awareness and intelligent behavior like you describe above will avoid 90% of potential situations. It is only 10% of the time where you will...
Lol, that video just looks like a lot of scrapping. I can do better than that!

No fascination with kneecaps, no more than throat, eyeballs, side of the neck, solar plexus. All good moves, but checkmate is a good whack to the nuts.
  • #6,079
  • Jul 1, 2017 7:07am Jul 1, 2017 7:07am
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z2V86gk6OQ4
Nothing strengthens authority so much as silence
  • #6,080
  • Jul 1, 2017 7:48am Jul 1, 2017 7:48am
You gotta laugh the perpetual (gotta end some time for a fact)
importing living growth has to end
as usual completely short sighted

Quoting Magog
Labour wanted mass immigration to make UK more multicultural, says former adviser http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/law-and-order/6418456/Labour-wanted-mass-immigration-to-make-UK-more-multicultural-says-former-adviser.html
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