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  • #5,881
  • Jun 27, 2017 7:53am Jun 27, 2017 7:53am
Quoting Bones
Africa has been oppressed even by Europe ,dividing it up without thought to the people ,thats left big problems on the ground How many countries in Africa are at war? There are currently fifteen African countries involved in war, or are experiencing post-war conflict and tension. In West Africa, the countries include Cote d'Ivoire, Guinea, Liberia, Nigeria, Sierra Leone, and Togo. In East Africa, the countries include Eritrea, Ethiopia, Somalia, Sudan, Uganda. {quote}
I seem to remember that Europe has been at war like forever - we still managed to feed ourselve.
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  • #5,882
  • Jun 27, 2017 7:54am Jun 27, 2017 7:54am
Quoting Exodus
{quote} Here you are, Jen. Keep this safe for when you need it. xx {image}
Thanks, but I prefer Stu's club.
  • #5,883
  • Edited 8:04am Jun 27, 2017 7:54am | Edited 8:04am
https://youtu.be/MkZ6pZpDZB0

I did not know this: if you walk out of a job, you cannot claim unemployment benefit for 6 months. This is designed to prevent people from going on benefits as a lifestyle choice. Fair enough.

But, there are exceptions!!
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  • #5,884
  • Jun 27, 2017 8:01am Jun 27, 2017 8:01am
Quoting jen101
{quote} Nope Stu, my phone not the plane. Anyhow, a plane does not want to be relying entirely on GPS. Two countries currently have world-wide satellite navigation systems, the US (GPS) and Russia (GLONASS). It would pretty much be buggered if anything happened to those (American) satellites.
I was referring to phone Jen too. Ground based stations. You buy it. I don't.
The point I was making about planes.... why let them have a dead zone when we have this wonderful satellite technology as a backup? But we make sure we have it for cars ? It's not important that a transatlantic flight could hook up to a satellite if need be but we fit as standard kit in cars now ? So rather than switch to GPS they use VOR up to the dead zone then rely on waypoints by time, direction, speed ? There is a reason they still use the same protocol and it's because they have no other means to navigate. Why wouldn't the civil aviation authority use GPS in the dead zones as belt and braces backup ?

https://youtu.be/fwqEe0XkggI
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  • #5,885
  • Jun 27, 2017 8:09am Jun 27, 2017 8:09am
Quoting Stu Effex
{quote} Well yes you would think so but NASA have materials that resist that temperature for sustained periods or so they say. There are materials that have high melting points like 2500 deg c but what about the transfer of that heat, the material which sits next to has to have equal resistance and yet not transfer that heat to the inside of the ISS ? 1969 ?
Isn't that where layering comes in - similar to thermal insulation against the cold? except against excessive heat transmission? Wouldn't that logically lead to a system where inert substances with high thermal resistance could be layered in such a way as to give resistance to both excessive heat and cold and from a building point of view be very good for maintaining a constant temperature with little help from heating systems or air condition (cooling) systems. Variance reduction then leads to minimum energy consumption. If external layers had photo-electric properties they could generate some of the electricity necessary for climate control reducing the foot print still further?

Sound like a reasonable research project for some engineering Masters degree leading to practical application?
  • #5,886
  • Jun 27, 2017 8:24am Jun 27, 2017 8:24am
Quoting Exodus
{quote}The first two GPS satellites went up in the late 80s to prove that it could be done. Think about the cost of that..... Then by the early 90s there were 6 or 8 satellites up, enough to give reasonable cover for part of every day. The history is here (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_Positioning_System) if have time. You need 4 satellites in view to get a 3-D position fix. Nowadays there is a full complement of 32 "periscope"-like thing which was pushed through a special aperture in the roof of the cockpit to take a fix from...
I think it's all codswallop from Sputnik's beeps to whatever crap is supposed to be up there now. What we have seen over the years is more and more comms towers and in conjunction with that better navigational aids.
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  • #5,887
  • Jun 27, 2017 8:27am Jun 27, 2017 8:27am
Quoting nbfx
{quote} Isn't that where layering comes in - similar to thermal insulation against the cold? except against excessive heat transmission? Wouldn't that logically lead to a system where inert substances with high thermal resistance could be layered in such a way as to give resistance to both excessive heat and cold and from a building point of view be very good for maintaining a constant temperature with little help from heating systems or air condition (cooling) systems. Variance reduction then leads to minimum energy consumption. If external layers...

I suppose they could look at rocket design & build circa 1969
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  • #5,888
  • Jun 27, 2017 8:39am Jun 27, 2017 8:39am
https://youtu.be/2anZ-442PKM
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  • #5,889
  • Jun 27, 2017 8:40am Jun 27, 2017 8:40am
Quoting Stu Effex
{quote} I suppose they could look at rocket design & build circa 1969
Point taken. But we do live in a world where they think it is OK to cover large buildings with highly combustible materials and fail to realize that the inside of said building would probably become a giant oven. so even that might be too complicated...
  • #5,890
  • Jun 27, 2017 8:54am Jun 27, 2017 8:54am
Quoting nbfx
{quote} Point taken. But we do live in a world where they think it is OK to cover large buildings with highly combustible materials and fail to realize that the inside of said building would probably become a giant oven. so even that might be too complicated...
I've been in construction from Nuclear to house building. You encounter everything from no expense spared to penny pinching.
The very essence of tower blocks is to pack'em in with the tightest footprint but the design ie: cellular concrete boxes is tried and tested with regard to fire check. Weakness generally comes from service access points but again the type of construction generally keeps things contained and under control. The London block was pretty wild the way it spread and I have to say I was very surprised by that. I haven't read much about it but would have thought even if the cladding was combustible there would have been fire breaks in it to control spread but it is very likely that pounds, shillings and pence undoubtedly played a part.

It must be noted too that building regulations is a minimum standard.
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  • #5,891
  • Jun 27, 2017 9:04am Jun 27, 2017 9:04am
Remember the Windrush - Things you probably didn't know.
Maybe our anger should be aimed in another direction?

a myth has taken hold that the British government was responsible for bringing the passengers over as part of a concerted plan to help overcome a labour shortage. But this is wrong.

Plus ca change
the new population found it difficult to secure employment not because of prejudice, but because the newcomers had low output and their working life was marked by irresponsibility, quarrelsomeness, and lack of discipline. women were slow mentally, and men were more volatile in temperament than home workers more easily provoked to violence lacking in stamina,

http://www.theoccidentalobserver.net/2015/07/12/jews-the-ss-empire-windrush-and-the-origins-of-multicultural-britain/
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  • #5,892
  • Jun 27, 2017 9:28am Jun 27, 2017 9:28am
Brexit Brits are new heroes of Swiss as they slam brakes on bullying EU trade deal

http://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/821754/Brexit-latest-news-EU-talks-Switzerland-treaty-trade
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  • #5,893
  • Jun 27, 2017 9:51am Jun 27, 2017 9:51am
Quoting Magog
Brexit Brits are new heroes of Swiss as they slam brakes on bullying EU trade deal http://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/821754/Brexit-latest-news-EU-talks-Switzerland-treaty-trade
It was a couple of years ago that a Swiss referendum voted decisively against freedom of movement bringing it into direct conflict with the Free trade deal they had. To my knowledge as yet nothing has been done to follow up on that, but it is still a matter of record somewhere in the Swiss legislative system and needs addressing at some point.

Now remind me, Doesn't a certain someone who vocally espouses the virtue of the EU live in Switzerland having turned his back on the UK because he finds it "too insular" and yet aggressively seeks to maintain the status quo he so eloquently rejected...

https://www.forexfactory.com/news.php?do=news&id=678582#post10024262
  • #5,894
  • Jun 27, 2017 9:53am Jun 27, 2017 9:53am
Quoting Magog
Remember the Windrush - Things you probably didn't know. Maybe our anger should be aimed in another direction? a myth has taken hold that the British government was responsible for bringing the passengers over as part of a concerted plan to help overcome a labour shortage. But this is wrong. Plus ca change the new population found it difficult to secure employment not because of prejudice, but because the newcomers had low output and their working life was marked by irresponsibility, quarrelsomeness, and lack of discipline. women were slow mentally,...
The Rothschilds seem to have a pie for every finger
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  • #5,895
  • Jun 27, 2017 10:02am Jun 27, 2017 10:02am
Quoting nbfx
{quote} It was a couple of years ago that a Swiss referendum voted decisively against freedom of movement bringing it into direct conflict with the Free trade deal they had. To my knowledge as yet nothing has been done to follow up on that, but it is still a matter of record somewhere in the Swiss legislative system and needs addressing at some point. Now remind me, Doesn't a certain someone who vocally espouses the virtue of the EU live in Switzerland having turned his back on the UK because he finds it "too insular" and yet aggressively seeks...
I was wondering where he had gone (having previously read that post).
...and such a vociferous Bremainer, what a turn-coat!
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  • #5,896
  • Jun 27, 2017 10:02am Jun 27, 2017 10:02am
Ive thought about it and I have a answer,
infact another question why don't they just move camp to where the water is

The only thing I can think is the best water moves location and it's pointless carrying more water than is required a day because it starts off already tainted and can not be stored.
The answer is to drill wells for fresh water then maybe thats not easy with the resources available



Quoting jen101
{quote} Bones, you haven't addressed my point at all. I asked why do I see people carrying water on their backs? Why not use wheels? What has that got to do with rain or no rain, wars, corruption, terrorism etc?! What has it to do with DNA sequences or race? You said it, not me.
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  • #5,897
  • Jun 27, 2017 10:18am Jun 27, 2017 10:18am
Quoting Magog
Brexit Brits are new heroes of Swiss as they slam brakes on bullying EU trade deal http://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/821754/Brexit-latest-news-EU-talks-Switzerland-treaty-trade
At this rate, I can see an alternative trading bloc being established, with Switzerland, UK, Poland, Hungary Czechoslovakia etc, one where trade is the name of the game and not domination
  • #5,898
  • Jun 27, 2017 10:23am Jun 27, 2017 10:23am
Quoting nbfx
{quote} It was a couple of years ago that a Swiss referendum voted decisively against freedom of movement bringing it into direct conflict with the Free trade deal they had. To my knowledge as yet nothing has been done to follow up on that, but it is still a matter of record somewhere in the Swiss legislative system and needs addressing at some point. Now remind me, Doesn't a certain someone who vocally espouses the virtue of the EU live in Switzerland having turned his back on the UK because he finds it "too insular" and yet aggressively seeks...
Hmmm, just can't think of his name, but I do remember his arrogant, duplicitous, sanctimonious, condescending, EU apologist waffle
  • #5,899
  • Jun 27, 2017 10:23am Jun 27, 2017 10:23am
Quoting Devauxt
{quote} At this rate, I can see an alternative trading bloc being established, with Switzerland, UK, Poland, Hungary Czechoslovakia etc, one where trade is the name of the game and not domination
Poland, Hungary Czech Rep. get too many subsidies from EU to turn away easily. Maybe once we're gone and the handouts reduce/dry up might be a different story.

Switzerland on the other hand (according to a very good Swiss friend) is much less than content with its dealings with Europe...
  • #5,900
  • Jun 27, 2017 10:28am Jun 27, 2017 10:28am
Quoting Bones
Ive thought about it and I have a answer, infact another question why don't they just move camp to where the water is The only thing I can think is the best water moves location and it's pointless carrying more water than is required a day because it starts off already tainted and can not be stored. The answer is to drill wells for fresh water then maybe thats not easy with the resources available {quote}
You're missing the point Tony,
Most Western civilizations have had running water and stuff since the bloody Romans - why oh why are Africans still collecting it in buckets after 100's of years evolution????
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