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  • #5,861
  • Jun 27, 2017 6:06am Jun 27, 2017 6:06am
Bunch of old luddites in here methinks......................................
  • #5,862
  • Jun 27, 2017 6:06am Jun 27, 2017 6:06am
Quoting Stu Effex
{quote} That is my point. I think it is bollox.
LOL Think we're on same page again Stu
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  • #5,863
  • Jun 27, 2017 6:17am Jun 27, 2017 6:17am
Quoting Magog
{quote} Is that how we got to the moon
Possibly ... I think his name was Collins ....
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  • #5,864
  • Jun 27, 2017 6:18am Jun 27, 2017 6:18am
Quoting Stu Effex
GPS is exactly the same principle except that the signal is transmitted from orbiting satellites if you can believe that.
How does the GPS on my phone work? How about my GPS watch? Why does it need to "see" the sky to get a position? Why does it work less well on a cloudy day? The sat nav in my car is brilliant - I can zoom out all the way and see where I am on planet earth. Isn't that great, it tells me I'm on earth!
  • #5,865
  • Jun 27, 2017 6:19am Jun 27, 2017 6:19am
Jen ,Ive answered a few comments in one if you want to think about Africa start with war and corruption which goes on to this day
I don't know why waters carried like that
the wests answer is in pic ,If you think western techs not there already you'd be wrong, mainly your talking very poor and very oppressed region


5) Geographically Disadvantaged - Not as much as America.

America ? has the same geological disadvantages ? Don't remember the last drought


Quoting jen101
{quote} Bones, you haven't addressed my point at all. I asked why do I see people carrying water on their backs? Why not use wheels? What has that got to do with rain or no rain, wars, corruption, terrorism etc?! What has it to do with DNA sequences or race? You said it, not me.
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  • #5,866
  • Jun 27, 2017 6:19am Jun 27, 2017 6:19am
Quoting jen101
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4642042/White-House-warns-chemical-weapons-attack-Syria.html http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4642590/UK-ready-reprisals-against-Syria-says-Fallon.html 1. Why would Assad want to attack civilians (again)? 2. Why are we just blindly following the Americans (again)? 3. Are we more outraged that Syrian children are butchered, but when our own are murdered, it is "part and parcel" of living in a city?
I never bought into the Assad story from America - this is Asma his wife - doesn't sound like she could live with a mass murderer

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4HzlG4Gd4g8
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  • #5,867
  • Jun 27, 2017 6:21am Jun 27, 2017 6:21am
Quoting jen101
Bunch of old luddites in here methinks......................................

Ha ha luddites, have you seen my latest sefie !

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  • #5,868
  • Jun 27, 2017 6:21am Jun 27, 2017 6:21am
Quoting jen101
Bunch of old luddites in here methinks......................................
Thought you already knew that Jen LOL
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  • #5,869
  • Jun 27, 2017 6:29am Jun 27, 2017 6:29am
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  • #5,870
  • Jun 27, 2017 6:31am Jun 27, 2017 6:31am
Quoting Bones
Jen ,Ive answered a few comments in one if you want to think about Africa start with war and corruption which goes on to this day I don't know why waters carried like that the wests answer is in pic ,If you think western techs not there already you'd be wrong, mainly your talking very poor and very oppressed region 5) Geographically Disadvantaged - Not as much as America. America ? has the same geological disadvantages ? Don't remember the last drought {quote} {image} {image} {image}
Africa is not all desert - Rhodesia was once known as the ''bread basket'' of Africa and there are rainforests and jungles in Africa
As for droughts - Thought thats why we built resevoirs and dams in the West
Hasn't California just been through the longest drought in history?
That picture you posted looks like an Indian lady to me - India also seems able to feed itself btw.
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  • #5,871
  • Jun 27, 2017 6:36am Jun 27, 2017 6:36am
Quoting Stu Effex
{quote} Ha ha luddites, have you seen my latest sefie ! {image}
Whoaa Stu, steady on! Don't want to be getting all hot and bothered!
  • #5,872
  • Jun 27, 2017 6:40am Jun 27, 2017 6:40am
Quoting Magog
{quote} Africa is not all desert - Rhodesia was once known as the ''bread basket'' of Africa and there are rainforests and jungles in Africa As for droughts - Thought thats why we built resevoirs and dams in the West Hasn't California just been through the longest drought in history? That picture you posted looks like an Indian lady to me - India also seems able to feed itself btw.
And China turns desert into vineyards.
  • #5,873
  • Jun 27, 2017 6:41am Jun 27, 2017 6:41am
Quoting Magog
I been thinking a lot abt the current state of the world and started to wonder what would have happened if we had lost WW2 Would the Soviet Union have existed for instance. Would the EU have been created. Would all the wars have happened like Korea,Nam,ME, the cold war. Would we have mass or any immigration? Terrorism? Would MLK/Kennedy have been killed? Would 911 have happened? Hitler would be dead now anyway and I don't believe he could have made any bigger fcuk up than we managed without him. Just thinking LOL.
Why I have read "Atlas Shrugged" 3 times at at various stages of my life. First time when I was in the military and 18 yo. It's all very simple, really -- it's the old 15% 85% thing. The 15% are the doers, creators, givers, people who make things happen, people who build civilizations. The 85% are the takers, the destroyers, the socialist and dictators. The 85% are always tearing down and when things get so bad people can't tolerate it any more a member of the 15% comes in, organizes other members of the 15%. They clean things up and set things back in order -- then go back to living their own lives and the cycle starts all over. It's in the human DNA. We've all been at the beach. There's always one kid that will spend half a day building a sand castle. As soon as he tires of it and leaves bunches of kids emerge outta nowhere and start tearing it down -- in a matter of minutes.

My Mom lives couple miles from me in a small subdivision I built several years ago. She is 95, a WWII Army Air Corps vet. She grew up through the great depression on a farm in Mississippi -- no electricity till the late 40's. Still lives alone and mind is clear as a bell. Many times over the past 9 years we have had a discussion of how, in her lifetime, one generation, we have gone from the strongest nation the world has ever seen to the disgrace of electing a "Barack Obama"

And the cycle starts over.
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  • #5,874
  • Jun 27, 2017 6:47am Jun 27, 2017 6:47am
Quoting jen101
{quote} How does the GPS on my phone work? How about my GPS watch? Why does it need to "see" the sky to get a position? Why does it work less well on a cloudy day? The sat nav in my car is brilliant - I can zoom out all the way and see where I am on planet earth. Isn't that great, it tells me I'm on earth!
Look at my reply to Ex. With all these wonderful satellites you would think think that all transatlantic flights would not need to resort to "Oceanic Procedure" ? Transponders need line of sight, that's why they have tough job finding them. With all those pesky satellites you would think they would pick up the signal.

Network of sub marine cables which have obviously been improved and ground based transmitters and repeaters. The same as it's always been.

http://www.wired.co.uk/article/google-facebook-plcn-internet-cable
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  • #5,875
  • Jun 27, 2017 6:53am Jun 27, 2017 6:53am
Quoting Stu Effex
{quote} It is triangulation just like GPS. I really don't understand how a theodolite would be used to confirm position. It requires a line of sight to something fixed and with known co-ordinates. It would have have it's final fix from land based towers using triangulation and the then stick to the flight plan, speed, height, bearing to next waypoint, that is only way they can report their position.
The first two GPS satellites went up in the late 80s to prove that it could be done. Think about the cost of that..... Then by the early 90s there were 6 or 8 satellites up, enough to give reasonable cover for part of every day. The history is here (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_Positioning_System) if have time. You need 4 satellites in view to get a 3-D position fix. Nowadays there is a full complement of 32 satellites and about half a dozen spares.

Each satellite broadcasts its 'key' on at least 2 frequencies plus zero to 3 other frequencies, the commercial-grade broadcast is on the L1 carrier at 1575MHz and the military-grade carrier is on the L2 carrier at 1227MHz. The 'key' is transmitted true or inverted to provide a 50bps data transmission path (same speed as old Telex) which carries information about clock errors and corrections, orbit ephemeris data and everything a receiver needs to know to be able to calculate its position. The receiver's task is to calculate its range to a satellite ... and it has to do this simultaneously for all the satellites in view which are being tracked. It is rocket science.

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Decca, Loran, Omega all same principle. known co-ordinates of base stations and time to receive signal from known stations. The more fixes the more accurate the position. GPS is exactly the same principle except that the signal is transmitted from orbiting satellites if you can believe that. I have a hard time with that personally especially when transatlantic flights still have the "Oceanic Procedure". Why is that when they should be able to get a fix from numerous satellites ?
Ok, I know little about those early systems except to say that I thought the navigator could determine which station was being received and then did a geometrical triangulation based upon angles. So if that is completely wrong then fair enough.

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Also Ex I note you say when you were a "Lad" back then the theodolite was a different beast to today. We used to have to take what's called a face left and a face right reading by rotating vertical and horizontal axis through 180 degrees to reduce error. It relies on being stationary and level also. I'm not saying you didn't see that but it has got me foxed.
Ok. Maybe it wasn't a Theodolite, maybe it was a Sextant. The navigator had a tubular "periscope"-like thing which was pushed through a special aperture in the roof of the cockpit to take a fix from the stars. I'm happy to accept it was a kaleidoscope if you want.
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  • #5,876
  • Jun 27, 2017 7:02am Jun 27, 2017 7:02am
Quoting Stu Effex
{quote} Look at my reply to Ex. With all these wonderful satellites you would think think that all transatlantic flights would not need to resort to "Oceanic Procedure" ? Transponders need line of sight, that's why they have tough job finding them. With all those pesky satellites you would think they would pick up the signal. Network of sub marine cables which have obviously been improved and ground based transmitters and repeaters. The same as it's always been. http://www.wired.co.uk/article/google-facebook-plcn-internet-cable
Nope Stu, my phone not the plane.

Anyhow, a plane does not want to be relying entirely on GPS. Two countries currently have world-wide satellite navigation systems, the US (GPS) and Russia (GLONASS). It would pretty much be buggered if anything happened to those (American) satellites.
  • #5,877
  • Jun 27, 2017 7:08am Jun 27, 2017 7:08am
Africa has been oppressed even by Europe ,dividing it up without thought to the people ,thats left big problems on the ground

How many countries in Africa are at war?
There are currently fifteen African countries involved in war, or are experiencing post-war conflict and tension. In West Africa, the countries include Cote d'Ivoire, Guinea, Liberia, Nigeria, Sierra Leone, and Togo. In East Africa, the countries include Eritrea, Ethiopia, Somalia, Sudan, Uganda.


Quoting Magog
{quote} Africa is not all desert - Rhodesia was once known as the ''bread basket'' of Africa and there are rainforests and jungles in Africa As for droughts - Thought thats why we built resevoirs and dams in the West Hasn't California just been through the longest drought in history? That picture you posted looks like an Indian lady to me - India also seems able to feed itself btw.
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  • #5,878
  • Edited 8:46am Jun 27, 2017 7:35am | Edited 8:46am
gotta hold you back
leaving unstable situ
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  • #5,879
  • Jun 27, 2017 7:40am Jun 27, 2017 7:40am
Africa is generally a basket case.
They can't run even their own countries. They just blame whitey for all their ills to get bigger handouts and sympathy from the do-gooders.
Colonialism was the best thing that ever happened to them. Brought them out of the stone age.

Greedy politicians egged on by Russia and the USA made them dissatisfied. They have almost all gone backwards since the colonial era.
  • #5,880
  • Jun 27, 2017 7:44am Jun 27, 2017 7:44am
Quoting jen101
{quote} How does the GPS on my phone work? How about my GPS watch? Why does it need to "see" the sky to get a position? Why does it work less well on a cloudy day? The sat nav in my car is brilliant - I can zoom out all the way and see where I am on planet earth. Isn't that great, it tells me I'm on earth!
Here you are, Jen. Keep this safe for when you need it. xx
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