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  • #21
  • Jun 23, 2010 7:07am Jun 23, 2010 7:07am
You're wrong.

There are possibilities in hedging f.e. Euro future and Spot E/U.
When they are temporarily out of sync some professionals short the future while going long on the spot price
(when the future has risen and spot didn't followed immediately).

If you can only grab 1 or 2 pips after closing both positions - it's a profit.

The only edge in hedging is to profit from market imbalances.

It's the same when you're trying to grab some pips from correlated pairs.
If one pair trades above institutional benchmark and the other below,that is a potential opportunity.

The most traders have no clue about real hedging: when and where.
  • #22
  • Sep 14, 2013 1:18am Sep 14, 2013 1:18am
I'm very curious about hedging so i found this thread while searching.What if we keep open trades after the hedge position.I mean we open a buy and a sell trade at the same time. After sometime the market moves up so there is an up trend.Then we open another buy order.Market keep going up so we open buy orders as long as the trend is going to change.If the trend is changed to down, we take profits of buy orders.Even if we close all the trades including that two trades that we opened at the beginning, we can gain some profits because we lose one sell order but we gain profits from many buy orders.What do you guys think about that? Sorry for my bad english and don't laugh if i'm wrong i'm still new to forex )
  • #23
  • Jan 12, 2017 4:30pm Jan 12, 2017 4:30pm
Buy and sell at same at KEY AREA with 10 pip stoploss each side 25 pip profit . Works out 1:1 RR with approx 90percent accuracy .
  • #24
  • Apr 15, 2017 7:03am Apr 15, 2017 7:03am
Quoting moksha
Moksha Australia Mob: 0400 412 400 E-mail: [email protected] FX Hedging Strategy For Metatrader Platform: Broker which allows Hedging in same currency pair For example www.fxcm.com.au in Australia Variables: TP = Take Profit, SL = Stop Loss, TS = Trailing Stop Entry requirements: None ( may be revised down the track on measure of support and resistance or volatility Special conditions * see middle case scenario Idea: Open both long and short position in a pair Set: ( as example) on both positions TP =...
Hi, do you have the EA for this strategy?
  • #25
  • Jun 21, 2017 12:43pm Jun 21, 2017 12:43pm
Is there any EA to open both position @ same time so that i get same value on buy and sell no spread difference in zero spread account
  • #26
  • Jun 21, 2017 1:28pm Jun 21, 2017 1:28pm
Quoting kenny123
Hello forex experts, I am a beginner who have been trying to build a trading strategy. I came across a write-up which intoduced hedging, buy and sell at the same time. I want to know your views on this. How do I trade this successfully and make profit? Kenny
Hedging, if you're just placing trades with MT4 or whatever isn't possible. Lets say there's a bicycle you want in a store. You can't both buy the bicycle and sell it at the same time. You either have the bike or you don't. It's like that with forex. When you're using MT4 or whatever platform and you're placing your long and short trades, you could almost think about it like trading the physical "thing".

But understand something. Because of the bid/ask spread every position you open is at a loss on open. So even if you COULD hedge your trades it would be enormously stupid because you'd now have two positions, competing against each other, both of which open at a loss. You'd literally be doubling your risk for the benefit of making making less profit. Doesn't sound like a great idea to me.

That doesn't mean however that hedging isn't possible with forex contrary to what some of the other people have said.

To hedge in forex you use options and option trading strategies (e.g. straddle). This does complicate the process a bit and there aren't many brokers that allow option trading on currencies and those that do require fairly good sized accounts (25k and up) to do it. However using options DOES NOT entail the same "double risk for less reward" I talked about above because options are different things entirely and require different ways of approaching a trade.

You may want to consider picking up a book from amazon or something on options as they are powerful tools to have in your trading arsenal.
  • #27
  • Jun 21, 2017 6:09pm Jun 21, 2017 6:09pm
Hedging can only be successful if you have a very diversified portfolio or you have very deep pockets to survive the draw down.
  • #28
  • Jun 21, 2017 9:41pm Jun 21, 2017 9:41pm
Quoting kenny123
Hello forex experts, I am a beginner who have been trying to build a trading strategy. I came across a write-up which intoduced hedging, buy and sell at the same time. I want to know your views on this. How do I trade this successfully and make profit? Kenny
For a retail trader, there is only one way I would suggest considering a hedged position.
ie., prior to an announcement that is likely to move the market substantially.
You take both along and short position with no stop loss.
You are paying 2 pip spreads!!
ie., you have a net-zero position minus your pip spreads.
After the announcement, when the effect is known, you exit one of the positions based on the direction you expect to be maintained.
This is the time when you could move into profit.
It is important that you do not use stop losses in this type of trade as you can find yourself stopped out of one or both of the positions.
I do not use this strategy so I am not recommending it.
However, it could work for some.
Cheers, H
  • #29
  • Jun 22, 2017 4:05pm Jun 22, 2017 4:05pm
Quoting Aich
{quote} For a retail trader, there is only one way I would suggest considering a hedged position. ie., prior to an announcement that is likely to move the market substantially. You take both along and short position with no stop loss. You are paying 2 pip spreads!! ie., you have a net-zero position minus your pip spreads. After the announcement, when the effect is known, you exit one of the positions based on the direction you expect to be maintained. This is the time when you could move into profit. It is important that you do not use stop losses...
This literally makes NO sense. You have a net zero position. You just paid 4 pips for which you now have NOTHING.

Why not just wait until the effect is known and based on the direction you expect to be maintained open a position in that direction. Now you're only paying 2 pips and you actually have something.

smh
  • #30
  • Jun 22, 2017 4:12pm Jun 22, 2017 4:12pm
There is no need to buy/sell at the SAME level. When market is ranging, you can buy at support and sell at resistance then hold both positions until there is a breakout. Regardless of direction you will be profitable, I designed a system based on this strategy but I really don't need after I learned how to read price action and perform order flow trading.

People are talking about paying 2 pip spread *Sigh* Comparison of 2 pips loss with 80 profits is not considerable
  • #31
  • Jun 22, 2017 4:33pm Jun 22, 2017 4:33pm
Quoting SulemanMehmo
There is no need to buy/sell at the SAME level. When market is ranging, you can buy at support and sell at resistance then hold both positions until there is a breakout. Regardless of direction you will be profitable, I designed a system based on this strategy but I really don't need after I learned how to read price action and perform order flow trading. People are talking about paying 2 pip spread *Sigh* Comparison of 2 pips loss with 80 profits is not considerable
No, no, no.

When you are placing long and short trades it is literally trading "the thing" ... you can't both have it and not have it at the same time. You can't.

If you place a long and a short you are trying to both have it and not have it at the same time. It doesn't work, it's stupid, and it's why most brokers specifically forbid you from doing it.

The only way to hedge is to place longs and shorts in different yet highly related items OR you use currency options and placing straddles or something.

I can't believe so many people are saying you can do this. smh
  • #32
  • Jun 22, 2017 5:14pm Jun 22, 2017 5:14pm
You want to hedge? Get into options.
If you do your analysis and decise to buy eu then place some puts to hedge the downside risk.

But even this is a waste. Paying for insuarance costs you. Just risk less.
Spread and commisions prevent you taking advantage of arbitraging the futurues v spot. 1 or 2 pips profit wtf. Just learn to trade. Supply and demand with momentum is all a retailer can do. And thats great.
  • #33
  • Jun 22, 2017 5:36pm Jun 22, 2017 5:36pm
Hedging hog is a very dirty profitable technique if and only if you master its all components, other wise .. Say byebye for your account balance.

I will not write here too much, but i will say simply :

You must know the followings :

Pairs hedging and i mean directly use the 5 major pairs to hedge each other.
Then, in the same pair make hedging only if you are having wrong trades and be aware that, in hedging you do not use stop loss at all,
last but not least, use your compounding system to fresh daily 40% or 210 points as i assume for all pairs and walla you are there

please go back and read my posts in ssi, ssii, rsb ..... About hedging, and download my ea for hedging and down load my compounding ea then try it on demo for the 5 to 7 major pairs at the same time with account of 1000 usd balance only and lot size 0.01 to 0.05, then you will get the exp. On how to trade and protect your trades..

Yes, all of what is written above by our friends trraders are mostly correct, but , and i mean it, most of traders like me and like you are not well organized in the meaning of arrangng the 10 ideas of hedging foud here and there in the internet space...

If you can join the above simple three steps in one account and you use your mind to pull out by your own eyes and not by a stuiped expert adviseor for few days, then believe me you will master it ...

I AM USING HEDGING ON MY TRADING
HERE IS A REAL SETUP FROM MY ACCOUNT
EURUSD

NOTE THAT I HEDGE PAIRS WITH THE THREE STEPS ABOVE.

ALSO I USE HEDGING WITH OUT EQUAL SIDES... THIS IS A TRICK I GOT IT TO FOOL THE SYSTEM AND TO MAKE MONEY INSTEAD OF INPUT = IN TRADE FLOATING -VE

SO

STUDY MY CHART HERE AND TRY TO LEARN FROM IT THE THREE CONCEPTS I HAVE NENTIONED ABOVE

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  • #34
  • Jun 22, 2017 5:51pm Jun 22, 2017 5:51pm
Quoting comeback2000
is there any ea to open both position @ same time so that i get same value on buy and sell no spread difference in zero spread account
sorry in your dreams only
but try to use my ea-it is free
search for it in my older threads ssi, ssii, rsb, hedging hog.....
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  • #35
  • Jun 23, 2017 2:40am Jun 23, 2017 2:40am
It's posts on subjects like this that make you want to tell people to not come to this website.
  • #36
  • Jun 23, 2017 6:13am Jun 23, 2017 6:13am
Quoting WolGod
You want to hedge? Get into options. If you do your analysis and decise to buy eu then place some puts to hedge the downside risk. But even this is a waste. Paying for insuarance costs you. Just risk less. Spread and commisions prevent you taking advantage of arbitraging the futurues v spot. 1 or 2 pips profit wtf. Just learn to trade. Supply and demand with momentum is all a retailer can do. And thats great.
hey puny god.
supply and demand is only what you can do, thats all (and funniest thing, in currencies supply and demand you can see in futures and future market is so much smaller then spot market and near unimportant , so you puny god faker trade with wrong numbers, thats why you lost so much and cant see it) - go to futures with indices when you want your supply and demand, start learning basics - 17. times in correct you, boring baby). because you are not very smart and cant calculate things, other are not your basic low level. dont tell all the time other people what they have to do (because its only thing works for you with your limited knowledge), when it even often did not work for you and you have after your many losses only 1000 usd left (like you told me) and cant get it to increase your money fast enough.

you are best example of how bad your advices are, puny god in best, please change the name to this. you will never learn, that what you dont can do, other can do maybe. you are a little bit limited to your own little world, and this is a small one.

and that hedging is useless is common known, its beginner strategy, when you are not familar with math.
  • #37
  • Jun 23, 2017 7:02am Jun 23, 2017 7:02am
Quoting catch-22
it's posts on subjects like this that make you want to tell people to not come to this website.
true
bcz
why to invent the wheel while there is another one had already invented it, it is really waste of time.
It is better before opening any new thread for a subject has been repeated millions of times in the internet and thousands of times here in forex factory, it is really better to search the forex factory for old threads and read them b4 making a new repeated thread.
I am really fed up from repeated subjects by newbie , simply search in ff and you will find subject in good threads will answer your questions since 2005 , yes true....
Well i am not agianst opening new threads, but it should be really new ideas or new real questions that was not raised before , but really really ... Anyone does not want to read and he is lazy to read, just open a thread and come on traders advice him in wrong to good and the jokes begin and the old great traders will not join as they are fed up and only the young traders will join and take here and theire wrong advices that will make the owner of the thread lost his vission.

Really , let's stop nagging and let's do our homework.... How to make real money with the forexfactory support...

For the sake of truth... Am i the only one sees this or what ?
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  • #38
  • Jun 23, 2017 7:06am Jun 23, 2017 7:06am
The hedging is being repeated here in ff at least in more than 500 threads,,,,, simply, there are so many real good ideas were being found in these old posts, go and search..... I am sure all of your questions and much more will be found there,

bye
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  • #39
  • Jun 23, 2017 7:12am Jun 23, 2017 7:12am
AFTER 27 MIN, THE CAD WILL OPEN NEW CYCLE FOR TRADING, MAKE FROM NOW YOUR TRADES TO BE READY, HEDGING IS A GAME FOR STRONG TRADERS WHO KNOW HOW TO MASTER THE STRONG RED FLAGE FUNDEMANTALS.

IF I SHOW YOU MY CHART OF HEDGING THIS PAIR , I AM SURE YOU WILL BECOME CONFUSED, IT IS FULL OF LIMIT AND STOP ORDERS, REAL OPENED ORDERS IN BOTH SIDES AND MUCH MORE.

HEDGING IS A REAL STRATEGY FOR TRADING BUT YOU SHOULD PLAY IT IN CLEAR MIND AND TO BE READY FOR THE UNBEATED EXPECTATIONS.

YOU MUST MASTER THE HEDGING OF THE 5 MAJOR PAIRS WITH EACH OTHER PLUS HEDGING EACH PAIR ITSELF AND THEN ADD TO THE LOSERS NOT TO THE WINNERS TO MAKE COMPOUNDING TO GET RID OF THESE WRONG TRADES BY COMPOUNDING....

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  • #40
  • Jun 23, 2017 10:34am Jun 23, 2017 10:34am
Quoting dukas_trader
{quote} hey puny god. supply and demand is only what you can do, thats all (and funniest thing, in currencies supply and demand you can see in futures and future market is so much smaller then spot market and near unimportant , so you puny god faker trade with wrong numbers, thats why you lost so much and cant see it) - go to futures with indices when you want your supply and demand, start learning basics - 17. times in correct you, boring baby). because you are not very smart and cant calculate things, other are not your basic low level. dont...
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I cant understand you. But the fact you you dont understand volume tells me you dont have a clue. Volume is everything my little retail trading friend ...
futures markets dont have demand/supply? Riiight. Ok. Futures markets are the big boys thats where huge liquidity is. You should read up instead of wasting time talking about how you have billions of dollars in accounts.
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