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  • #41
  • Edited 11:37am Jun 23, 2017 11:17am | Edited 11:37am
Hi Samer1970 how you manage to get ride of spread issue if you do so close heading. And while doing compound hedge it was same has reverse martingale strategy right. If the market start to rang and moves in same direction you will end in deposit blown right.

How many year you r able to success on this strategy and what is % of draw-down is required to do this
  • #42
  • Edited 2:58pm Jun 23, 2017 1:12pm | Edited 2:58pm
Quoting WolGod
{quote} https://youtu.be/RejrrkrRShM I cant understand you. But the fact you you dont understand volume tells me you dont have a clue. Volume is everything my little retail trading friend ... futures markets dont have demand/supply? Riiight. Ok. Futures markets are the big boys thats where huge liquidity is. You should read up instead of wasting time talking about how you have billions of dollars in accounts.
hello again puny god.

i will correct your mistakes again, like i do always. its number 18 now. funny, in each post you are with bad mistakes.

future markets are big, yes. but not in currencies!!! you are not smart, you cant know it, but spot market is so much higher then future market for currencies, that you can dream about what you do, the reality did show all. you lost, your trades was bad, you had 1000 usd capital with your "best trading strategy in the world" from you, you aways tell you are best, your method the only that can win but only show small capital because you lost allways near all your money again and again. come on, dont troll all the time and be such a stupid crying girl., you was messed, you did lose, whats your problem?

learn the basics please!!!!

its same like in other thread some hours ago, you told me wrong in my post and some sentences later you did write exactly what i did told, so stupid is near impossible. you have really problems to see when you are little and you dont know basics and have some problems with emotions or brain, whatever.

always you troll here, after you have extrem bad trading week, then all laugh about you, you dissapear (and hope nobody remembers your stupid troll comments from weeks ago) and after bad trading week come again and troll. never will read some usefull content from you. maybe you are new, maybe you are not very smart, all ok, but dont show this so extrem and tell people you are trading god by all know you are puny god!
  • #43
  • Jun 23, 2017 1:38pm Jun 23, 2017 1:38pm
hey guys i'm currently very interested in correlations pairs trading... has anyone tried buying and selling correlated pairs togehter and exiting when they deviate like an arbitrage of sorts?
  • #44
  • Jun 23, 2017 9:53pm Jun 23, 2017 9:53pm
Quoting dukas_trader
{quote} hello again puny god. i will correct your mistakes again, like i do always. its number 18 now. funny, in each post you are with bad mistakes. future markets are big, yes. but not in currencies!!! you are not smart, you cant know it, but spot market is so much higher then future market for currencies, that you can dream about what you do, the reality did show all. you lost, your trades was bad, you had 1000 usd capital with your "best trading strategy in the world" from you, you aways tell you are best, your method the only that can win...
You have nonidea. Enjoy ya fibs and head and shoulder patterns.
  • #45
  • Jun 23, 2017 11:27pm Jun 23, 2017 11:27pm
Quoting dukas_trader
{quote} hello again puny god. i will correct your mistakes again, like i do always. its number 18 now. funny, in each post you are with bad mistakes. future markets are big, yes. but not in currencies!!! you are not smart, you cant know it, but spot market is so much higher then future market for currencies, that you can dream about what you do, the reality did show all. you lost, your trades was bad, you had 1000 usd capital with your "best trading strategy in the world" from you, you aways tell you are best, your method the only that can win but...
Yes what you say is correct what is good strategy for small deposit. What all you said is for big deposit minimum of 100k to 1M.

Alo trading, Basket trading and hedge correlation pairs need more money. Is there any way to take the profit using low budget and compounding
  • #46
  • Jun 24, 2017 6:02am Jun 24, 2017 6:02am
Quoting WolGod
{quote} You have nonidea. Enjoy ya fibs and head and shoulder patterns.
is it not difficult , that you are know as puny god and lose every discussion with anyone here, because you are so unexperienced?

maybe you should work on your character, then your dont have to say all the time "i know best trading style ", " i am best trader" and same time show how poor, loser trader, mini money owner and bad person you are.

you are rated by what you say and are, and thats the problem with you. dont show so hard that you dont know what you talk about, and you will not all the time look look a clown and loser. maybe it was your goal to be a clown and all laugh about you (then your goal is reached), but sometimes it lookes you really believe in your bullshit. i have seen so many bullshit speaker in my live, you are really a good example for a extrem poser who get nothing.
  • #47
  • Jun 24, 2017 6:12am Jun 24, 2017 6:12am
Quoting comeback2000
{quote} Yes what you say is correct what is good strategy for small deposit. What all you said is for big deposit minimum of 100k to 1M. Alo trading, Basket trading and hedge correlation pairs need more money. Is there any way to take the profit using low budget and compounding
with low money you can earn much more easy then with big money, because with big money you need to use many strategies, because you dont want change market to much, so your analysed charts will change because of your own entries and you get with small money not opften partially fills, with big money in many trades.

so with low money you dont have to take a look to this part for some years, and this calculations are the most complex.

basket trading would be ok (but often not so smart, you can also trade the rest open exposure and reduce the costs extrem for same win - but depends what basket exactly you have in mind), forget about hedge trading. hedge trading is really a loser strategy, you increase costs and risk for nothing.its like trading with broker with double spread against trading with broker with low spread, why you should do so.

you can simple trade your strategies , and increase your trading size with gaining wins. use same risk by percent and so your trading size will increase with time (thats your compounding).

so strategy for small money is not different as for big money (ok, something like big futures you cant trade because of not enough margin or to high pointvalue) and even more easy to win. simple use some double target stratetgies, learn math (very important) to calculate all correct, learn basics from the market and use some, recognise stupid strategies and dont put time in it,........ most important, find a strategy by your own, when many trade it, its most of the time useless or will get useless.
  • #48
  • Jun 24, 2017 7:47am Jun 24, 2017 7:47am
What i mean to say hedge trading we can still make success with 98% correlation pairs with equal pip cost and find the right entry point using cross over of 1hour time period. Currently i don't see any EA in market on this type of strategy to scan the entire market and provide signal.
  • #49
  • Jun 24, 2017 10:12am Jun 24, 2017 10:12am
Quoting dukas_trader
{quote} is it not difficult , that you are know as puny god and lose every discussion with anyone here, because you are so unexperienced? maybe you should work on your character, then y our dont have to say all the time "i know best trading style ", " i am best trader" and same time sho w how poor, loser trader, mini money owner and bad person you are. you are rated by what you say and are, and thats the problem with you. dont show so hard that you dont know what you talk about, and you will not all the time look look a clown and loser. maybe it...
DUKAS TRADER: HAS NEVER SHOWN AN ACCOUNT. HAS NEVER SHOWN 1 TRADE NOT EVEN 1. Talk crap.

DUKAS TRADER is very angry his fibonacci ans stochastic strategy never worked out and now roams the forex factory pretending to be someone quoting retail uneducated crap to make himself feel good.

No proof dukas. Have never shown anything.
Response frim dukaaass will be he is so good Nd specual he cant show LOL LOL LOL

INVESTIPEDIA SPECIALIST LOL.
  • #50
  • Jun 24, 2017 10:29am Jun 24, 2017 10:29am
Quoting mayzee
{quote} No, no, no. When you are placing long and short trades it is literally trading "the thing" ... you can't both have it and not have it at the same time. You can't. If you place a long and a short you are trying to both have it and not have it at the same time. It doesn't work, it's stupid, and it's why most brokers specifically forbid you from doing it. The only way to hedge is to place longs and shorts in different yet highly related items OR you use currency options and placing straddles or something. I can't believe so many people are...
You should read my post again. I said to short at resistance and buy at support (Price action), its a little different approach of hedging. Not randomly open trades at the same price level.

People need to understand, there is a difference between trading strategy and profit increasing strategy.
Trading strategy is one that tells you when, how and where to trade...supply/demand, fibs, overbought/oversold, pattern trading etc.
Profit increasing strategies involve martingale, anti-martingale, hedging, grid trading etc.
But you see, what people try to do is open random trades using no trading strategy but just using profit increasing strategies, that is why this stuff doesn't work.

Yes I use martingale, hedging and pyramiding to increase my profits but not like you think opening trades randomly everywhere.
Screenshot shows how I kept adding trades, throughout the trend. I re-sold when support turned resistance and price reached there. This is how pyramiding works.
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And this is how martingale is used, there are 3 resistance and 2 support, if R1 fails, then go for R2, if it fails too then go for R3. If R3 fails then don't open new trade because price is not respecting any level but has decided to perform a breakout. Same goes for S1 and S2. You see these aren't random trades either, they have defined location, stop loss and take profit.

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  • #51
  • Edited 1:51pm Jun 25, 2017 1:34pm | Edited 1:51pm
Quoting WolGod
{quote} DUKAS TRADER: HAS NEVER SHOWN AN ACCOUNT. HAS NEVER SHOWN 1 TRADE NOT EVEN 1. Talk crap. DUKAS TRADER is very angry his fibonacci ans stochastic strategy never worked out and now roams the forex factory pretending to be someone quoting retail uneducated crap to make himself feel good. No proof dukas. Have never shown anything. Response frim dukaaass will be he is so good Nd specual he cant show LOL LOL LOL INVESTIPEDIA SPECIALIST LOL.
puny god, i will help you again, now 19. times and counting. looks i need to do always, because you dont stop talking wrong things and bullshit. you even dont try to hide your unexperienced brain. so you look so stupid, but maybe you are and you dont care any more.

lets start baby:

i dont show you any trades, you are one of the worst traders and worst characters i have seen long time, you deserve what you are, nothing to say more.
by the way, why you always talk about fibo ( thats stupid bullshit i never used, because by math anybody knows that has no better chance then any other horizontal lines you put in with some ranges between the lines)??? where do you find your bullshit, i never told you how i trade and i never will, you can guess till you will burn out :-).


its funny that you try always to get good trades from other person, because you burn your accounts and your method is such bullshit. thatswhy you dont earn money, and never have money and all laugh about you here. you are the best trader and always have no money, all sayed baby. maybe such troll like you should again go away for 4 weeks and hope his bullshit coments are forgotten in some weeks , so you can start trolling again.

but funny , always i correct you, do one time write some posts without big mistakes, please, you are like a little girl someone need to help each hour.
  • #52
  • Jun 25, 2017 2:04pm Jun 25, 2017 2:04pm
Hey... there are different ways to hedge you can for intense buy EUR/USD then sell EUR/AUD then sell AUD/USD use smaller lots. then just wait for them to come into profit and take the positions off..
  • #53
  • Jun 25, 2017 3:10pm Jun 25, 2017 3:10pm
Quoting ward111189
Hey... there are different ways to hedge you can for intense buy EUR/USD then sell EUR/AUD then sell AUD/USD use smaller lots. then just wait for them to come into profit and take the positions off..
then you have aud and usd as small exposure open (EUR is only hedged complete), simple open this aud and usd exposure difference only and you reduce costs for same.
  • #54
  • Jun 25, 2017 10:15pm Jun 25, 2017 10:15pm
Quoting dukas_trader
{quote} puny god, i will help you again, now 19. times and counting. looks i need to do always, because you dont stop talking wrong things and bullshit. you even dont try to hide your unexperienced brain. so you look so stupid, but maybe you are and you dont care any more. lets start baby: i dont show you any trades, you are one of the worst traders and worst characters i have seen long time, you deserve what you are, nothing to say more. by the way, why you always talk about fibo ( thats stupid bullshit i never used, because by math anybody knows...
You breakout trade and believe in expectancy SO RETAIL CRAP. I remember that. You also have no idea of where supply and demand is by the way you talk of volume. Also when you said you were awesome making 1:1 a month. You are a joke. NOT ONE TRADE. Like i would want to know your trades. You know very litte about intraday trading. You know investopedia retail spin. Enjoy ya fibs and renko bars.
  • #55
  • Jun 26, 2017 6:39am Jun 26, 2017 6:39am
Quoting WolGod
{quote} You breakout trade and believe in expectancy SO RETAIL CRAP. I remember that. You also have no idea of where supply and demand is by the way you talk of volume. Also when you said you were awesome making 1:1 a month. You are a joke. NOT ONE TRADE. Like i would want to know your trades. You know very litte about intraday trading. You know investopedia retail spin. Enjoy ya fibs and renko bars.
20. times baby. i help you again, wow, you really are worst trader and worst emotion girl here in forexfactory. only mistakes in any sentence.

lets start with your mistake show.

1. i trade fundamental edges baby, nothing you really can understand, because you guess many things i do but after 100 guesses you did not hit one time ;-).
2. supply and demand in currencies you have no idea where it is, because future market is to small in currencies (change to indices or oil,gold,....) , and spot to high, and you dont have volume for spot. you cant know it, you are really bad in math, but thats normal as puny god.
3. 1:1 a month? why you develop such numbers from the air? always you be a liar because your trading is getting worst and you lose your accounts, and you dont have to do more then trolling? i told you i trade 10:1 return to drawdown, nothing more, and more numpbers you dont deserve . you can guess your numbers like a girl all the time, but will not help to show you as clown all the time.
4. fibs and renko i never used, funny that you never understand this by told you many times...

4 mistakes in this little posting, you are really the puny god you look like. when you write like a clown , people laugh about you like a clown. maybe you are used to it in real live and so no matter to you, but funny to see you repeat your clown posting all the time. bad trader medal you earned already, worst troll maybe possible.
  • #56
  • Jun 26, 2017 7:00am Jun 26, 2017 7:00am
A hedge locks your position, in effect you are flat the market, but spread and roll are maybe ticking up. If you know where to close one hedge then that should have actually been your entry. But if you cannot be about and lets say you are in a range, but you don't know which way the market will move then to take a long and short both ways with a target is still valid.

A true hedge is one which mitigates loss, so lets say you went long corn and you hedged by going short wheat, you would be hedging as these two are closely correlated. You can also hedge a position if you are say short a market, but you want to trade a retrace against your trend. In effect you will be making money on the buy and sell side. Hedges can be effective but caution needs to be exercised when using them.

Taking a buy and a sell order often means you are unable to identify the trend, in which case look for a market that is showing a trend or don't trade. Having no position in a market is sometimes the best strategy.
  • #57
  • Jun 26, 2017 7:11am Jun 26, 2017 7:11am
Quoting Hurst
A hedge locks your position, in effect you are flat the market, but spread and roll are maybe ticking up. If you know where to close one hedge then that should have actually been your entry. But if you cannot be about and lets say you are in a range, but you don't know which way the market will move then to take a long and short both ways with a target is still valid. A true hedge is one which mitigates loss, so lets say you went long corn and you hedged by going short wheat, you would be hedging as these two are closely correlated. You can also...
yes, its simple math game. if you dont know math correct you simple have to pay your extra fees and lose many of your wins. same like using tp/SL and not using opposite direction trade same time. if you use tp or sl, you use it because you think market will change direction in this points. without the situations you want to be flat in the market (news, weekend, uncertain market or charts),.......)
  • #58
  • May 1, 2020 2:32am May 1, 2020 2:32am
Quoting cupofcoffee
buy and sell at same at key area with 10 pip stoploss each side 25 pip profit . Works out 1:1 rr with approx 90percent accuracy .
can you kindly explain this method more for me

it sounds like a good trading concept.

Thanks
  • #59
  • Jan 23, 2021 7:51pm Jan 23, 2021 7:51pm
Quoting SulemanMehmo
There is no need to buy/sell at the SAME level. When market is ranging, you can buy at support and sell at resistance then hold both positions until there is a breakout. Regardless of direction you will be profitable, I designed a system based on this strategy but I really don't need after I learned how to read price action and perform order flow trading. People are talking about paying 2 pip spread *Sigh* Comparison of 2 pips loss with 80 profits is not considerable
HI Suleman

Please share the designed system based strategy
  • #60
  • Last Post: May 13, 2021 7:00am May 13, 2021 7:00am
Quoting pipbuilder
There is no way to profit from this approach (there is but at some point you wouldn't be hedged anyway so what's the point?) Hedging is protecting yourself in the event a trade goes against you. The idea is that as one position falls (the short for example) the long side would go up. Doing them at the same time however the net effect regardless of what happens will always be a loss (the spread)
Banks are 24 hour traders, and most traders here are not.

Most of us here are not FULL TIME 24 hour traders here like the banks. As a result the ability to re-adjust your position in an ongoing basis 24 hours a day every second of the day is simply not possible.

However, with "hedging" strategies, when you enter in the opposite direction you are effectively nullifying a trade for now, whilst increasing your balance and allowing the time for the currency pairs to move back in the direction that you first predicted.

It also encourages you to pick up the countertrend trades that are available.
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