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  •  jalp
  • | Joined May 2006 | Status: Never give up | 64 Posts
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Well this is my first post in this thread.(and at forex factory) I have gone through most of the thread (it has taken a while !) I have traded this way and like it's simplicity and have been successful with it.

It seems that this thread is dying somewhat, everybody seems to have gone off to a commercial thread, and a new website which I see is charging $100 a month (ouch!) I don't really need any help with the system, and I don't need any coaching. I am comfortable with it.

The system and this thread changed very much over the time it has been...
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You'r absolutly right. This is also my first post on this thread.
Thank you Feb for your precious teaching. Feb told everybody to keep it simple and I think some people want to become famous with it. LOL

KEEP IT SIMPLE. and remember the following from FEB

Thank you my old 44 years old cowboy for your time and take a good samuel Adams from me.


Following Feb instructions that I note over the thread.
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In terms of the swing, they have to be formed already with 30-40 pips and the
pullback has to be on it's way before you start placing a stop order The "pattern"
as you said, has to be formed already.
1)wait for the market to have a 30-40 ticks swing at any direction
2) Wait for a retracement
3) set 2 horizontal lines - 1 at the beginning of the swing and 1 at the last swing
high/low
4) if the market resumes the swing, place a limit order 2-3 ticks above/ below
the last swing
5) your order gets filled. Now it's pretty much up to the market
wash - rinse and repeat
Peace
The only way you will be successful in this business is:
1) to learn how to read the market properly
2) to manage your risk accordingly
3)to understand that this is a long race. Not a sprint.
Stay focused on this rules, if we can call it that way.
The rest will come to it's own.
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you just made a great observation
based on your charts, there's something I should tell you guys about the markets
swings/trends has pullbacks and corrections
in essence it's just about the same...some guru's argue that corrections are deeper
that pullbacks etc...It's irrelevant in my opinion
when the move /swing/trend etc. has been going for quite some time now....it's due
for a correction.
Corrections can lead to reversals.
My suggestion is to try to take the first swing of your session, either London, New
York, Sidney or Asian...doesn't matter..In my opinion when sessions overlap is where
you have the best chance.
Take note of this post......


As I mentioned many time, I am a scalper. I've been trading like this since I started, many years ago. But scalping requires not only a strong concentration level, but is harmfully stressful. In my situation, I can't have the luxury of been stressed out the whole trading time.

As for the system II, I mentioned few times this is a high-frequency trading routine. Trading is definitely an art of reading numbers in order to be first in line at the rigth side of the market.

But if the market decides to go the other way, I simply play along.

I will tell you what I use for my scalping. It's applicable on any framework/timeframe.

I use a hard stop, just in case of a connection failure or an unforeseen volatility. I never let my stop to get hit...NEVER.

Your job is to cut that loser short, no matter what. Don't worry about how many times you'll have to cut that loser, at the end you'll get a runner.



Let's assume you are bullish, you go long at your signal, and immediately the market goes against your position(A very common situation). What you should do?? How far is too far?? Does it feel like a cat in the headlights?

This is where you make trading an art. I cannot tell you specifically when to cut it short. None will. But I'll give you some pointers, from my experience ( since 1981)

I use as a reference, how was the market behavior at the past session/timeframe/last bar. Then I have some expectancy/time limit on my trade to work out...or I just simple hit the panic button.

Let's say you'll use the last candle as a reference point. Then , you see the market (assuming you're long) retracing back. If I see more than 50% of the move against me, rest assured I'll be ready to hit the panic button. The point is, you don't know how that candle/bar /time frame is going to end. This is where prediction is useless on the markets.

Trade expectancy is simply put, the trade MUST go your way within a resonable time table/rythm/distance...or I just quit.

Trade expectancy is the only thing that will keep your head above the water.

Trade expectancy is the only tool that will bring consistency to your trading.

Money management alone is not sufficient. Having a good entry, is not enough.

You need to go to the basics on what is that you're looking for in trading??



MONEY



Bottom line is all about how many Benjamin's can you pull off the market. If you're not consistent, trading becomes futile and frustrating.

In my life as a trader, I can count how many times I cut a trade short, only to see the market going back my way. It''s cool. But I saved my ass way more times. I made some statistics about it from my journal.

Actually, as I have my risk in check with my money management, in this specific situation mentioned above, I just go back and re-establish my position, even if I have to go market.

If you get stopped or just simply bail off a position, as I said many times before, look at the other side, maybe there's a change of sentiment.

The science of trading is simple: You're either on the profitable side of the market or you're not. In order to get on the right side, you use technical analysis (and have your ear on the ground, of course). Then you pull the trigger based on your signal.....that's it...and it's easy.

But how do you transform that into $$$ consistently?
Cutting that loser short. It's more an art than anything else.

The System I and II or any other "system" I put on a thread, is just a framework for you to trade. But if you don't manage the trade, it becomes useless.

I'll be checking this thread more often, as I know for sure questions will arise as a result of this post.
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Guys

Don’t matter how you put it, your main goal as a trader is to build equity over time. Doesn’t matter how you trade, that’s the end of the road. Wining or losing should be just like another day/another dollar. That’s it. Trading is not “exciting” or “glamorous” is just a way you make a living.

Some of you are still struggling with losing. That’s understandable, no problem. In trading, you need to practice, with real money , over and over until you just wake up every morning and do it like a drunken zombie. If you trade NY on EST.

Take it slow. Don’t quit. Just practice long enough until you develop a “sense” of the market. Learning this craft takes time, patience, energy and is time consuming. But your effort will be compensated. The real losers are the one’s who quit.

You don’t “avoid” losing…You deal with it in a very natural way. Emotionless? No baby, you’ll fell the pain from time to time. That’s why you need to keep pushing the buy/sell button constantly, every day…every week…every month..

The concept of trading feels somehow awkward when you’re starting. Let me give you some “samples” (I enjoy screwing up the Shakespeare language sometimes).

You crank up the car in the morning, Pull off the driveway. But in the middle of the freeway, you hear this BAM!...o shit, you get a flat…So here’s the thing…you probably feel like the whole world is crumbling down….have you ever experience that?

You sit down on your brand new lazy boy recliner…oh yeah what a comfort level you have brother!!! What is the next thing you look…ah yeah baby the remote…this magical wand with omni power is so efficient you just crowned the new artificial king of the house. Ah! it feels like the remote is an extension of your arm, ain’t right? Then. you push your beloved clicker and…NOTHING HAPPENS!!

So you do all kind of crazy stuff from throwing you “king” on the floor or, you send some “blessings” to the mother of whomever invented this damm thing. After all it’s been like 5 years since you replace the batteries……oh boy so you thing they last forever?..again the whole world crumbles on you.

That’s the mentality we bring up to trading. We believe we must win all the trades to look for consistency. Nobody likes to be labeled a loser…right?

You lose. Sometimes once, and the “tendency” is for you to “improve” the “system”…oh well I have news for you, that’s an easy way to deplete your account probably sooner than you think.

It’s very important for you as a trader to gain experience thru practice. Will be nice if with all certainty I could tell you “buy when x cross y” unfortunately won’t work here.

The system I and II are threads based on irony.. After all there’s no system….the market won’t care about any “system”

This is just a blueprint for you guys to follow. You’re taking a chance on the ebbs and flows of the market – fractals etc. They won’t work all the time, but they delivers a high chance of catching the wave just in time.

Screw how many pips you make here and there…that’s bullshit. Use REAL figures…dollars and cents. You’re not getting paid on pips. Use money management based on risk and reward and throw REAL MONEY on the table.

What do you know? You can trade on cents if you want.

Going back to the beginning of this post, any way you trade, any time frame, any method, the road ends on equity. Don’t dwell on the day-by-day battle. Look this on long perspective. I get paid every month, when I am trading. That’s a good mark.

Good karma to all of you.
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I just believe in... Peace and good Karma!
 
 
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  • Feb 15, 2010 6:32pm Feb 15, 2010 6:32pm
  •  tubguy
  • | Joined Sep 2009 | Status: Member | 1,227 Posts
Quoting jalp
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You'r absolutly right. This is also my first post on this thread.
Thank you Feb for your precious teaching. Feb told everybody to keep it simple and I think some people want to become famous with it. LOL

KEEP IT SIMPLE. and remember the following from FEB

Thank you my old 44 years old cowboy for your time and take a good samuel Adams from me.


Following Feb instructions that I note over the thread.
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[font=TT188t00][font=Times New Roman]In terms of the swing, they have to be formed already with 30-40 pips...
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Great post!!!!
 
 
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  • Feb 15, 2010 8:24pm Feb 15, 2010 8:24pm
  •  skris
  • | Joined Sep 2009 | Status: Member | 176 Posts
Quoting pipraiderUK
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Would anybody be interested in keeping this original thread going ? and going back to the original ideas and motivation behind it ?
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the continuation of this thread is here bro (no charge for that one):
http://www.forexfactory.com/showthre...81#post3466081
 
 
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  •  Bakuli
  • | Joined Jul 2007 | Status: Learner | 1,363 Posts
Quoting jalp
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You'r absolutly right. This is also my first post on this thread.
Thank you Feb for your precious teaching. Feb told everybody to keep it simple and I think some people want to become famous with it. LOL

KEEP IT SIMPLE. and remember the following from FEB ..................................
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Hi Jalp

I think it was rather unfair of you to make that comment without really knowing the history of the thread and why the latest developments had to happen (moving over to the FCR thread at the commercial side).
I think you will find that the person you are referring to is a complete opposite of what you are inferring from your limited understanding of the situation. I am here to defend his honour as he is a very helpful and sincere guy. He is helping a lot of traders with Feb's teachings by incorporating it into a structured Plan so as to make it easier for most people to follow. There is no deviation from Feb's teachings in the FCR thread. As our great mentor Feb himself said he has provided a framework for us to work on and that is precisely what Fxa has done in developing his Plan. Now as we all know most of us traders still cannot trade successfully, even with the best of strategies laid in front of us and need that extra coaching from a mentor (who I must add has to have the right qualifications ie a winning trader!) to help guide us along the right path. It was one of the main reason that the FCR thread and Boiler Room was created. The second and equally important reason was to stop trolls from disrupting what was being taught to us. The creation of the boiler room, where only serious minded traders gather to watch a master craftman at work (yes, that's what he is at his trading), was made possible because most of us thread followers here wanted it. It wasn't because somebody decided that they wanted to be famous! Please refrain from such comments as I think they can be hurtful especially when that person, whom I think you are referring to, is a genuine, sincere & helpful guy who is spreading the Karma as tayght to all of us by our mentor Feb. I think if you have read all of system 2, you will find that he was more than helpful to traders who need his help.

I hope you will look at this post with an open mind. This is a great thread and it hasn't been abandoned. In fact the FCR thread refers newbies back here to start their journey of learning to trade in a pure & simple way.

Good trading to you,
Bak
 
 
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  • Feb 16, 2010 12:59am Feb 16, 2010 12:59am
  •  bubola
  • | Joined Jan 2010 | Status: ad maiora | 649 Posts
[quote=jalp;3465927]You'r absolutly right. This is also my first post on this thread.
Thank you Feb for your precious teaching. Feb told everybody to keep it simple and I think some people want to become famous with it. LOL

hello jalp. with all due respect, your comment is totally out of place in this thread. i'm sure you could have chosen a much nicer way to introduce yourself here. please try again.

a word of warning to all newcomers...beware, folks, we are keeping a watchful eye on this thread, to ensure that it remains as feb and fxa have developed it. NO UNFAIR COMMENTS TO OUR MENTORS WILL BE ACCEPTED
 
 
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  • Feb 16, 2010 3:03am Feb 16, 2010 3:03am
  •  pipraiderUK
  • | Joined Feb 2010 | Status: Junior Member | 2 Posts
[quote=bubola;3466890]
Quoting jalp
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You'r absolutly right. This is also my first post on this thread.
Thank you Feb for your precious teaching. Feb told everybody to keep it simple and I think some people want to become famous with it. LOL

hello jalp. with all due respect, your comment is totally out of place in this thread. i'm sure you could have chosen a much nicer way to introduce yourself here. please try again.

a word of warning to all newcomers...beware, folks, we are keeping a watchful eye on this thread, to ensure that it remains as feb and fxa...
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I am not here to make unfair comments about anyone. However i personally think the new thread/website has far too many strict rules and is more directed at people who need help or training.(and they will need to pay for that privilege) I am comfortable with the system, but as I said in my first post I think the thread became restrictive when it went just EUR/USD etc
 
 
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  • Feb 16, 2010 5:53am Feb 16, 2010 5:53am
  •  jplo
  • | Joined Mar 2009 | Status: Member | 730 Posts
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As somebody who benefits daily from not only this thread and all it has contained up until now - and now having moved onto the other FREE thread - the most powerful lessons in it were the ones we lived thorugh as this developed into an art and that we leave behind as an archive.

Feb left this out of generosity, Fx left it out of generosity, we each leave our history OUT OF GENEROSITY. I am sad that people come and decide to make any of us wrong for any of it. Think - this has bred profitable traders - whatever you think of how it was done. It...
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Really spot on my buddy....

Nothing else to add... it is perfect explained.....
I subscribe each and everyone of your points here......
 
 
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  •  jalp
  • | Joined May 2006 | Status: Never give up | 64 Posts
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Your claims that the new thread costs money is ARE QUITE SIMPLY WRONG. It does not. The Boiler Room is a project with charitable intentions.
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Even if you’re the best teacher in the world, there’s nothing charitable for my at $150.00/month. I don’t trust charitable intention who need paypal account. Charity is giving for nothing. Exactly what Feb did. But good luck anyway.


Quoting Bakuli
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Hi Jalp
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Quoting Bakuli
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It wasn't because somebody decided that they wanted to be famous! Please refrain from such comments as I think they can be hurtful especially when that person, whom I think you are referring to, is a genuine, sincere & helpful guy who is spreading the Karma as tayght to all of us by our mentor Feb.

Bak
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I apologize for that. It was not my best one.
I just believe in... Peace and good Karma!
 
 
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  • Feb 16, 2010 1:44pm Feb 16, 2010 1:44pm
  •  bogus
  • Joined Mar 2007 | Status: Symbol | 2,788 Posts
Sounds like this thread has turned into a cult rather than a free exchange of ideas between grown ups.
FF journal: Peaks and Troffs
 
 
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  •  Bakuli
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I apologize for that. It was not my best one.
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You're a gentleman!
Thank you
 
 
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  •  Sir Stoploss
  • | Joined Sep 2009 | Status: Member | 22 Posts
I have read this thread from cover to cover three times now. I set aside an account to use as a test. Having traded 'naked' for two months my account has increased by 47%. Now nothing else I can see as an invstement in the heart of the recession has delivered this kind of return.

I cannot believe how brilliant the teaching is from everyone in it.
Feb your work is amazingly simple, FX Achilies you are a genius, the story is quite dramatic at times...but the most incredible thing is, this is the first approach to trading I have come across in 12 years that cost me nothing. I am dumping all the other laborious and complex stuff I have gathered over the years to pursue this further.

I'm now going to learn more from the other thread. If you are finding this for the first time read this thing and then practice with it. I am gobsmacked!!!
 
 
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  • Mar 2, 2010 10:19pm Mar 2, 2010 10:19pm
  •  jdcabona
  • | Joined Dec 2008 | Status: Step by Step,... and compounding ! | 47 Posts
If there are people who can make money using this strategy ...what need to make an pay service o page.??? i dont believe it !!! They are a fraud !!!

This is another SCAM !!!
 
 
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  •  wiztrader
  • | Joined Oct 2008 | Status: At your service! | 149 Posts
I have to say that before I make this post, I contacted the originator of this thread for just one time opportunity to speak the truth. He can confirm or deny this publicly even have this post removed if he wants.

Feb I suppose you're not happy with the way this thread (and the whole concept) turned to be. This guy FX not only hijacked feb's thread but turn it around into a cult following. I believe in the name of our beloved teacher, this thread should be brought back to life.

FX and his "cheerleaders" are simply a bunch of hypocrites. This 1000 post celebration was really a farewell from the thread. That's a clever way of backstabbing.

Feb never charged for his services. All he did was from his good heart. Now this FX clown , is charging something in order to "help" others in struggle.

People, don't let this people fool you. Feb just open up another thread - very interesting.

I have to point out again that feb never charges for his teachings. That's the big difference between fxclown and him.
 
 
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  • Mar 3, 2010 9:40am Mar 3, 2010 9:40am
  •  mithu
  • | Additional Username | Joined Mar 2010 | 17 Posts
This is great method and very simple, how to read the market and then manage your trade with expentency... using speed and rythem and time to epxect the market would go in your direction keeping in mind that market can go against you and loss is part of this business.
Your loss should be part of your spread. I would use this system and I would post some of my trades here.
Feb, i am very thankful to you for this system (I am not srue you are watching this thread or not)
Anyway... I would request to administrator to keep this thread open and also would request all participants instead of fight each other, lets make use of it and lets newbies get benifite from it.

Peace
 
 
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  • Mar 3, 2010 10:04am Mar 3, 2010 10:04am
  •  mithu
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Feb Trading Bible:

1) wait for the market to have a 30-40 ticks swing at any direction
2) Wait for a retracement
3) set 2 horizontal lines - 1 at the beginning of the swing and 1 at the last swing high/low
4) if the market resumes the swing, place a limit order 2-3 ticks above/ below the last swing
5) your order gets filled. Now it's pretty much up to the market

wash - rinse and repeat

Trade managment:
I liked one pip by one trailing stop .... but have not in my platform. So I would make it break even on 12 - 15 pips and then would watch to hit it to 21 profit.

Risk control:
I feel comfortable with 100$/day loss and it is with less then 3% of my account. I will distribute it on all my day instead of taking it on one trade, so in that case I would not hesitate to pull the trigger.

------------------ Training wheels ------------
20 = stop loss
21 = take profit

Setups:
I would not force the setups, if there is setup then would set stop order 2 pips up/down and woul say to market come to papa ...(lol .. I enjoy your thread very much boss.. Great Feb)

******* NOTE ----- I am on training wheels now ------------ *****************
 
 
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  • Mar 3, 2010 7:01pm Mar 3, 2010 7:01pm
  •  mithu
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These are my yesterday trades.
#1: 21 pips profit

#2: reverse back from 18 pips profit, I did break even and it is closed at break even.


#3: was taking longer time but i as patienece as it was slow time London has closed.. but then move down very fast sudden.. and I closed the trade at the edge on -9 pips loss... but after that market went to more then 21 pips up....

I am not sure I dd right or wrong on #3, but at that time I did not know that it is edge.. but should I closed it manually ???.... i dont know!!!!.. but i will find it with practice.
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  •  MJurban
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These are my yesterday trades.
#1: 21 pips profit

#2: reverse back from 18 pips profit, I did break even and it is closed at break even.


#3: was taking longer time but i as patienece as it was slow time London has closed.. but then move down very fast sudden.. and I closed the trade at the edge on -9 pips loss... but after that market went to more then 21 pips up....

I am not sure I dd right or wrong on #3, but at that time I did not know that it is edge.. but should I closed it manually ???.... i dont know!!!!.. but i will find it with...
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only my 2 cents, i would not have teken #3 cause of the lower high on the left side. But Feb says no 2. guess
 
 
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  • Mar 4, 2010 6:58am Mar 4, 2010 6:58am
  •  mithu
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only my 2 cents, i would not have teken #3 cause of the lower high on the left side. But Feb says no 2. guess
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Do you mean that I should take long on next high? Thanks for advise.
 
 
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I am long at 1.3686
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  •  MJurban
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I am long at 1.3686
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hi mithu,
yes feb said: no second guess, pull the trigger

but i would not go in a continuuation trade, i would rather wait for a reversal like it happend today.
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