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Ok so as you can see above I am short. I mistakenly closed earlier shorts too soon - hence this crappy entry. I'm trying to get out today at 1.1720 but I really think that it is a reach.

Personally I don't see much of a catalyst for either bull or bear camp until possible CPI on Wednesday.

Overall I'm bearish on USA stocks and EU.
...because you never know - until you do!
 
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  •  9jatrader
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It has gone deep on both 4hr and the daily. The daily seems ready to either go down again or move sideways. Happy weekend{image}{image}
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30 mins already showing signs of going further down
Make all possible mistakes in Demo and rain in pips in live account
 
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  •  Guy1969
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{quote} Dude, You are right and I'm right, but you are technically wrong. WHY??????? It's called a Risk/ Reward Ratio for two reasons. 1... The risk involved 2... The reward anticipated When you have the two parameters, you can then determine the ratio. My argument is based on Risk & Reward Ratio, not just the amount of money made. We may both make $100, but when we consider the Risk & Reward Ratio factor, I would have made more. You are smart for putting the caveat --- if no stopLOSS was hit. What if both stoploss got hit, the dude...
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Nope, I'm not wrong at all. If you both entered with a lot size of $1, how do you explain making $20 for every $1 risked when all you did was place your stop 5 pips closer to price? I don't want to argue about this, do the math on paper, and you will see why I'm right. Worse case scenario? He loses $5 more than you when both stops gets hit.

Guy
 
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  •  9jatrader
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{quote} 30 mins already showing signs of going further down
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I hope to load enough short when 30 mins closes so well
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  •  Guy1969
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Ok, this circus is going nowhere slowly, closed my shorts for 22pips, let's see what's in store tomorrow.

Cheers All
Guy
 
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{quote} Dude, You are right and I'm right, but you are technically wrong. WHY??????? It's called a Risk/ Reward Ratio for two reasons. 1... The risk involved 2... The reward anticipated When you have the two parameters, you can then determine the ratio. My argument is based on Risk & Reward Ratio, not just the amount of money made. We may both make $100, but when we consider the Risk & Reward Ratio factor, I would have made more. You are smart for putting the caveat --- if no stopLOSS was hit. What if both stoploss got hit, the dude...
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{quote} Nope, I'm not wrong at all. If you both entered with a lot size of $1, how do you explain making $20 for every $1 risked when all you did was place your stop 5 pips closer to price? I don't want to argue about this, do the math on paper, and you will see why I'm right. Worse case scenario? He loses $5 more than you when both stops gets hit. Guy
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If I may, none of you are wrong when you manage to think about it enough from each perspective.... In my opinion, none of you are right either, as I have my own perspective on RRR, not that it is any better ! And for both of you, most probably my perspective is definitely wrong ! This trading world is so vast, no need to waste good energy working on contradicting each other. Gazillions ways to get to the goal.

I still find you both shared good points though !

Now back to EURUSD!

52 rejection in less than 10m meant some extra bear pressure we have seen the result of BUT, we are not out of the woods ! A swift return above 1750 now and we can continue just ranging still Much less chance of that now that price failed at 52, again + with +1H rising atr and right back at lows... My previous post explains some of the rest of my own flawed view.


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{quote} ... OK, best scenario here was a slow but steady down move and enough volatility kicking in next EU to cut through or further down beyond 1720s, like a knife in butter.. BUT here we are ! But first off, hit some more TPs along the way, biggest fishes for me today ! Hope it to be some of my smallest at end of month ! {quote} Happy trader as always, rain or shine, does not matter! Now, as long as 1767 is not hit again(little chance, but extremely good if not hit!), Ive got a new sell stop at 1.17480 for 12 pips AND at 1.17400 but for a 2H...
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If I don't mention SL and TP = longer-term setup possibly in the works!
 
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As I repeated so many times in the last month, this is a 400+ days average level that has been my main interest. It has been very very very generous to me EVERYTIME I have considered it in the last many years. If the first touch in weeks, minimum +-100 pips was pocketed in the direction it hits it, before any similarly strong retracement. Lets see if it will happen again !

I can feel the bulls doing everything in their power to avoid these levels under it, again... IT is all smoke...
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H1, I will go long only when price breaks out of this channel.

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Is this a possible EU play

Are we going to see a StopLOSS hunt down to 1.16594 and 1.16276 to clear the liquidity in that range of support???
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Is this a possible EU play Are we going to see a StopLOSS hunt down to 1.16594 and 1.16276 to clear the liquidity in that range of support??? {image}
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I think we go much lower.
Maybe 1.16 is the next one.We still trading below 200 SMA.

I said last week 1.1730 was my target.

A pull back into 1.1780 still possible.


Maybe a pull back into 1.1780 still possible.
 
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Oh no... All signs point to a simple shift down under ranging condition so expecting a rise above 65 again Kidding! Just testing out new probable micro-resistance at 44. Will know soon if it holds!

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{quote}... Ive got a new sell stop at 1.17480 for 12 pips AND at 1.17400 but for a 2H trade ! ... {image}
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Thats one of my 2 remaining shortterm trades with update : SL moved to BE TP moved to 1720, previous TP missed by .2pips! Revolution! kidding, new setup took over ..


My next level for profits is at 1733 for:

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{quote} Sold at 1757 and again at 17600 and will sell again at around 53 and 46 as long as 66 not hit. 1 for 24 pips, 3 longer term positions depending on 1720s-30s reaction, if we get there.
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After that, got 1765 to 1740 positions still, all with their own dynamic SL and TPs, strats and mm... Will they survive? Probably not. Will I lose most of my days gains if these last warriors fail, no . Point of no return perhaps for shorts, but also for profits. No miracle, just essential mm.

Good night all!
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Hello ElliotWAVE

Is 1.16350 reachable via ABC correction of 1:1 ????????
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{quote} Nope, I'm not wrong at all. If you both entered with a lot size of $1, how do you explain making $20 for every $1 risked when all you did was place your stop 5 pips closer to price? I don't want to argue about this, do the math on paper, and you will see why I'm right. Worse case scenario? He loses $5 more than you when both stops gets hit. Guy
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RRR better than just PIPS Count.
I rather have the best RRR than the highest Pips.

EXPLANATION

Assumption A
EURUSD is the pair in consideration

Assumption B
Imagine we both enter the same trade with the same lotsize of 1.00 standard lot and profit target of 100 Pips.

Assumption C
You entered with a StopLOSS of 10 Pips and I entered with 5 Pips.

Assumption D
Spread and commission = $0


Note: 1 pip for 1 standard lot EURUSD is $10


Deduction A
Considering all assumptions
Your Reward = $10 × 100 Pips = $1,000
Your Risk = $10 × 10 Pips = $100
Your Risk/Reward Ratio,
RRR = $100 : $1000 = 1:10


Deduction B
Considering all assumptions
My Reward = $10 × 100 Pips = $1,000
My Risk = $10 × 5 Pips = $50
My Risk/Reward Ratio,
RRR = $50 : $1000 = 1:20


Conclusion
We may earn the same, but my risk is smaller.

If everything stays the same, you will only be able to loss 10 consecutive trades before you get liquidated. On the other hand, I have to lose 20 trades in a row before I lose the account.
 
 
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Oh no... All signs point to a simple shift down under ranging condition so expecting a rise above 65 again Kidding! Just testing out new probable micro-resistance at 44. Will know soon if it holds! {quote} Thats one of my 2 remaining shortterm trades with update : SL moved to BE TP moved to 1720, previous TP missed by .2pips! Revolution! kidding, new setup took over .. My next level for profits is at 1733 for: {quote} After that, got 1765 to 1740 positions still, all with their own dynamic SL and TPs, strats and mm... Will...
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1.1708-1.1670
MY GRID. Markets are NOT random.
 
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{quote} Nope, I'm not wrong at all. If you both entered with a lot size of $1, how do you explain making $20 for every $1 risked when all you did was place your stop 5 pips closer to price? I don't want to argue about this, do the math on paper, and you will see why I'm right. Worse case scenario? He loses $5 more than you when both stops gets hit. Guy
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{quote} RRR better than just PIPS Count. I rather have the best RRR than the highest Pips. EXPLANATION Assumption A EURUSD is the pair in consideration Assumption B Imagine we both enter the same trade with the same lotsize of 1.00 standard lot and profit target of 100 Pips. Assumption C You entered with a StopLOSS of 10 Pips and I entered with 5 Pips. Assumption D Spread and commission = $0 Note: 1 pip...
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Let's both of you agree to disagree and move on.. As a reminder: This thread is focusing on posting around EURUSD.. If both of you want to continue with your debate and your mutual lecturings, you can still do it via private messaging but please not here..

Thanks for your cooperation..
Be a seer, not a looker!
 
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Faith healer

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So far on M30....

  1. Bulls tried twice to break above 1.1760 area but no success... (If we get a 3rd attack inside Asian session, rejection could be expected around 1.1770 and so on and so forth based on purple trend line)
  2. Now candles are slowly dropping inside a descending wedge...
  3. All these lows between 1.1740 and 1.1705 is where bulls are lurking most and with every pip lower, bulls will probably become more and more aggressive...
  4. Long story short: beware of the wedge!

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my view
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Possible Reversal,
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Seems to be battling 17350 level... 2 Equal Lows @ 17320 too, lets see what it brings
A vision without action is merely a dream.
 
 
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