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  • #5,241
  • Edited 6:16pm Jun 19, 2017 5:53pm | Edited 6:16pm
The petrodollar is backed by the full faith and credit of the US military. It underpins our entire system. We will go to WWIII before we let that fail because we have nothing to lose except for our way of life. BTW, if we go, you're all coming with us!

Edit...I say that jokingly, sort of.
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  • #5,242
  • Jun 19, 2017 11:56pm Jun 19, 2017 11:56pm
Quoting jmn5611
The petrodollar is backed by the full faith and credit of the US military. It underpins our entire system. We will go to WWIII before we let that fail because we have nothing to lose except for our way of life. BTW, if we go, you're all coming with us! Edit...I say that jokingly, sort of.
Or is the military backed by the full faith of the dollar - if the dollar collapsed the military would quickly follow.

Britain lost the empire bc the pound collapsed not bc we lost on the battlefield.
Nothing strengthens authority so much as silence
  • #5,243
  • Jun 20, 2017 12:02am Jun 20, 2017 12:02am
Quoting jen101
{quote} I think there are a few chubby chasers in the RH. Oh, who I wonder!
LOL
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  • #5,244
  • Jun 20, 2017 12:27am Jun 20, 2017 12:27am
This would give US the perfect excuse to attack Iran.

https://www.theburningplatform.com/2017/06/19/saudis-foil-iranian-terror-attack-on-major-offshore-oil-field/
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  • #5,245
  • Edited 6:35am Jun 20, 2017 12:58am | Edited 6:35am
Oh right ,there are lots of reports about ongoing gas works and broken mains which are not in your everyday building.I don't know what would happen should it be breached other than it would burn at the break.The pipes I've seen pictures of were about 3 inch dia steel mains type, in oxygen the rich stairway/lobby ready too be fire protected.


My main point is here is a concrete building which would have been completly fire res before any works ,then insulation added to the exterior at a very high resistant
Was the the contractor so stupid to break the law and put a plastic flammable panel on that and is that enough to fuel such a fire without something else on the inside
at that fire spread speed
If the panels are plastic I'm thinking theres going to be criminal charges for sure
Its not that the process of cladding is at fault or the Central government ,May ,or cuts of any kind
Also Ive checked the story about the guy who's flat it stated in and it is reported he packed some bags before warning his immediate neighbours and walked out, his neighbour said she looked in his flat and the fire was small in his flat kitchen at that point ,also it was the neighbour that alerted fire brigade.

Reports on the complex chain of how the building was fitted is not complex at all .Its how building is carried out in the UK as it goes to client, architects ,main contractor ,subcontractor specialists
With independent Local Council building control overseeing the works


After the completion of the refurbishment, gas pipes were installed in the main stairwell of Grenfell Tower, according to Councillor Judith Blakeman who sits on the KCTMO board.
She raised residents’ concerns about this installation with KCTMO and landlord Kensington and Chelsea assured her that the pipes would be boxed in with “fire rated” protection.
As late as mid March this year, Grenfell Tower’s leaseholders association wrote to the London Fire Brigade complaining about the still-exposed gas pipe and its location in the stairwell, where “vandalism and antisocial [behaviour] are daily occurrences”. The pipe, the letter says “has put our life in danger and we don’t feel secure in the building any more”.


Quoting Exodus
{quote}You don't get blue flames from gas unless it is pre-mixed with air. Blue flames just as likely to come from copper or other elements getting very hot. I agree with your general theme of how all the construction should have been fire-safe.
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  • #5,246
  • Jun 20, 2017 1:08am Jun 20, 2017 1:08am
Quoting jmn5611
The petrodollar is backed by the full faith and credit of the US military. It underpins our entire system. We will go to WWIII before we let that fail because we have nothing to lose except for our way of life. BTW, if we go, you're all coming with us! Edit...I say that jokingly, sort of.
Teamwork eh? We have the brains and you have the brawn.
  • #5,247
  • Edited 1:28am Jun 20, 2017 1:11am | Edited 1:28am
Quoting Magog
So the US is fighting ISIS. The US is also shooting down Syrian warplanes Syria is fighting ISIS Israel is arming/paying ISIS fighters So US and Syria are fighting the same enemy so they are allies? But US is also fighting Syria - an ally? Israel is arming the ISIS the enemy of Syria and US So Israel is fighting Syria and US??? Does this sound like a rational foreign policy to you???? https://theuglytruth.wordpress.com/2017/06/19/israel-providing-direct-aid-and-funding-to-syrian-rebels/#more-174020
A Plunge into Incoherence
After a series of potshots at pro-government forces in recent weeks, could it be that the United States is gearing up for something more serious? If so, it would be yet another step into incoherence.

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/47270.htm
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  • #5,248
  • Jun 20, 2017 1:41am Jun 20, 2017 1:41am
Quoting Magog
{quote} Maybe she works 3 jobs bc mass immigration has pushed wages down to a level where one job no longer pays enough. Mass immigration is primarily a consequence of socialist policies to increse the Labour vote, not capitalism.
Mass immigration is everything to do with craptalism. It means wages can be lowered giving the bosses more wages and it keeps the building industry happy as more accomodation is needed.
  • #5,249
  • Jun 20, 2017 1:57am Jun 20, 2017 1:57am
Quoting Pat494
{quote} Mass immigration is everything to do with craptalism. It means wages can be lowered giving the bosses more wages and it keeps the building industry happy as more accomodation is needed.
There is some truth in that but the problem is not catitalism but governance as I mentioned yesterday.

Proper governance would restrain corporations from doing things against the public interest. And the worst culprits in that area are always socialist
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  • #5,250
  • Jun 20, 2017 2:00am Jun 20, 2017 2:00am
A monks take on muslims

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qvEBaAiy5b4
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  • #5,251
  • Jun 20, 2017 2:17am Jun 20, 2017 2:17am
Quoting Magog
A monks take on muslims https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qvEBaAiy5b4
He's one racist son of a monk ! " Our entire race has been suffering a great deal under the burden of the minority" What an indictment but it's racist to make such statements. I'm not into religion but this story seems to be repeated from many different faiths and yet the old mantra "Islam Is A Religion Of Peace" prevails.
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  • #5,252
  • Jun 20, 2017 2:27am Jun 20, 2017 2:27am
https://youtu.be/Rb99RVT6afI

https://youtu.be/GWmOVafkZ9Y
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  • #5,253
  • Edited 3:37am Jun 20, 2017 2:49am | Edited 3:37am
Quoting Magog
100 Million African Refugees Heading To Europe and Europe will help them get here https://www.defendevropa.org/2017/germany/100-million-african-refugees-heading-europe/
They should have thought of this idea in the 16th Century.....

edit: I missed out the #sarcasm switch....
Carbon-Dioxide: the gas of life! https://youtu.be/ttJBdr6eBuo
  • #5,254
  • Jun 20, 2017 3:11am Jun 20, 2017 3:11am
http://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/arachnophobia

http://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/homophobia

http://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/acrophobia

http://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/islamophobia?q=Islamophobia

Amazing that when the word islam precedes phobia the meaning changes from

"Fear of ........."

to

"Unreasonable Fear of ......."

The subliminal message is everywhere.
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  • #5,255
  • Edited 6:23am Jun 20, 2017 3:48am | Edited 6:23am
Quoting Stu Effex
http://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/arachnophobia http://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/homophobia http://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/acrophobia http://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/islamophobia?q=Islamophobia Amazing that when the word islam precedes phobia the meaning changes from "Fear of ........." to "Unreasonable Fear of ......." The subliminal message is everywhere.
Islamaphobia does not exist, as peoples fear of Islam is routed in reality, real events of violence and murders carried out in the name of Islam

Since 9/11 there have been 31046 murders committed in the name if Islam by various despotic terrorist groups whose beliefs are founded in the teachings of Islam

In May 2017 1649 murders, 1726 injuries, 216 terrorist attacks (44 were suicide attacks), across 26 countries by groups doing so in the name of Islam. To be afraid of the murderous actions carried out in the name of Islam is therefore not a phobia of any kind, but the considered thoughts and concerns of rational and sane people.
  • #5,256
  • Jun 20, 2017 4:06am Jun 20, 2017 4:06am
Quoting Devauxt
{quote} Islamaphobia does not exist as people fear of Islam is routed in reality, real events of violence and murders carried out in the name of Islam Since 9/11 there have been 31046 murders committed in the name if Islam by various despotic terrorist groups whose beliefs are founded in the teachings of Islam In May 2017 1649 murders, 1726 injuries, 216 terrorist attacks (44 were suicide attacks), across 26 countries by groups doing so in the name of Islam. To be afraid of the murderous actions carried out in the name of Islam is therefore not...

I hear what you say Dev and fully agree with the facts but I do have issue with the term phobia in general. It is often cited as meaning irrational fear however it is quite clear Cambridge Dictionary rightly IMO describe the phobias as just a plain old "Fear Of" which is exactly what it is. If somebody fears being at height nobody can say that it is irrational and it would appear Cambridge Dictionary agree with that until it comes to Islamaphobia then of course it becomes "Unreasonable Fear Of" fact is it is a fear just like any other, normal. Nobody should label it ( "Islamaphobia") as unreasonable or irrational, it is a fear of islam end of !!! Nothing irrational about it and I for one have it. I fear what it is doing to my country. I fear what it will mean for my Grandkids future. Those fears are not unreasonable so Fck You Cambridge Dictionary.
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  • #5,257
  • Jun 20, 2017 4:18am Jun 20, 2017 4:18am
Quoting Stu Effex
{quote} I hear what you say Dev and fully agree with the facts but I do have issue with the term phobia in general. It is often cited as meaning irrational fear however it is quite clear Cambridge Dictionary rightly IMO describe the phobias as just a plain old "Fear Of" which is exactly what it is. If somebody fears being at height nobody can say that it is irrational and it would appear Cambridge Dictionary agree with that until it comes to Islamaphobia then of course it becomes "Unreasonable Fear Of" fact is it is a fear just like any other, normal....

The libtards certainly use "islamaphobia" to imply irrationality behind peoples very real fears and concerns, as do the lefty/liberal press and even the politicians

Cambridge dictionary says of "phobia" an extreme fear or dislike of a particular thing or situation, especially one that cannot be reasonably explained:

The one common denominator in all the attacks I listed earlier is that they were all carried out in the name of Islam. Good ordinary people can see the obvious connection which is neither unreasonable or irrational. The answer is always support our views with facts, because the facts don't lie and to never falter in correcting the apologists at every opportunity
  • #5,258
  • Edited 5:21am Jun 20, 2017 5:04am | Edited 5:21am
It's a question of getting the balance right ,yes cutting too many trees is wrong and i don't agree but thats really just the balance is wrong
Mass Immigration is complex I would argue the actual problems stem from the left who want the state to have more control.

Capitalism itself is a very good thing as long as the balance is correct.


"All types of capitalism implies that the economy is market based However, within the broad term of capitalism, there are different varieties which can have profoundly different outcomes. For example, unregulated capitalism sometimes termed turbo capitalism will see greater problems associated with inequality, under-provision of public services and greater inequality. A primarily capitalist society with some regulation on inequality, environment and monopoly power can create a very different outcome to a pure capitalist society.

When people talk about capitalist societies, e.g. US, there is actually significant government intervention in areas such as education, health care and transport. US government accounts for around 35% of GDP.
Even a country like France, where the government spend 50% of GDP has an economy which may be considered to be primarily free market. There is no clear cut point when an economy stops being capitalist and becomes a mixed (https://www.economicshelp.org/blog/glossary/mixed-economy/)economy "

Top Countries of Capitalism
A lot would argue that there are no examples of true capitalism, several countries employ some form of capitalism, and these include the following.

  1. United States of America
  2. Canada
  3. United Kingdom
  4. Australia
  5. New Zealand
  6. Ireland
  7. Japan

Quoting Pat494
{quote} Mass immigration is everything to do with craptalism. It means wages can be lowered giving the bosses more wages and it keeps the building industry happy as more accomodation is needed.
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  • #5,259
  • Jun 20, 2017 5:19am Jun 20, 2017 5:19am
A driver was killed when a van crashed into lorries that had been forced to stop on a motorway near Calais by a makeshift barrier set up by migrants. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-40338987
  • #5,260
  • Jun 20, 2017 6:00am Jun 20, 2017 6:00am
Crapitalism doesn't address the over population issues.
It will no longer be millions of extra people being dumped on Europe to look after but billions.
Have India, Africa and elsewhere heard of abstinence or contraception ?
Oh yes
But do they respond = 'fraid not.

The political will in most places isn't strong enough to limit families to 2 children each so they suffer terribly instead.
Crapitalists just want to make money out of them too. As for care - not if it costs them a penny more.
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