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  • #2,741
  • Apr 19, 2016 2:08am Apr 19, 2016 2:08am
So my setup using 5 strengths is going quite well still, no closes. I have add in some candle confirmations for new trades and a for reversal and reduced the reversal down to the first 3 strengths to close trades.
Only one trade was close but in a loss position but this was when I have 4 strengths on the reversal pins and it closed the trade too late.
It had some serious draw down though and then recovered back into profit, so not so sure on the method you guys can let me know what you think.
It has locked in $25 so if the draw down comes again it will close out the basket.

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  • #2,742
  • Apr 19, 2016 2:31am Apr 19, 2016 2:31am
Quoting SpencerBizze
So my setup using 5 strengths is going quite well still, no closes. I have add in some candle confirmations for new trades and a for reversal and reduced the reversal down to the first 3 strengths to close trades. Only one trade was close but in a loss position but this was when I have 4 strengths on the reversal pins and it closed the trade too late. It had some serious draw down though and then recovered back into profit, so not so sure on the method you guys can let me know what you think. It has locked in $25 so if the draw down comes again...
Depending Trend settings response can be slow. Really it's better use 2 Trend with different sensitive than use many changing only TF. That is same than use only the highest TF for exit. Normally smaller TFs only show a smooth transition of that higher TF. Not useful in auto really
Try don't lose pants never...
  • #2,743
  • Apr 19, 2016 2:41am Apr 19, 2016 2:41am
So the SnR signals setup is not doing well but it isn't giving the signals I would expect so I need to adjust it

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Huskey and Brain, I think I have missed that the current version of SnR includes break out already I think and this is why I am seeing the wrong signals.
Doh The newbie strikes again!!!

Above you will see a Sell signal showing on Pin4 which is (SnR, 1440h, Signal 85.8-100).
If you look below in the indi it shows -103.7 in red writing, which I am guessing is a sell signal.
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With my signal set as it is (min85.8 max100) am I right in saying this is what would happen.

Buy Signal > 100% to ?? (At what point is this not a breakout signal
At what point does the breakout buy signal stop?
Sell signal 85.8 to 100%

Neutral 85.7% to -85.7%
Buy signal -85.8% to -100%
Sell Signal > -100% to ?? (At what point is this not a breakout signal
At what point does the breakout sell signal stop?

Looking at this I see that I need to adjust my 100% up a little as it is giving allot of false break out signals, what have you found to work best for this to not give false break out signals.
Then something that would be nice to have would be another neutral zone, Brain do you think you could add this or does it already exist?
For example:

With my signal set as it is (min85.8 max100) -- Use the differential as a Block Neutral Breakout Signal

Buy Signal 114.3% to ?? (So Break out is only signal when it goes past the neutral zone before break out)
Neutral Signal 100.1% to 114.2%
Sell signal 85.8 to 100%
Neutral 85.7% to -85.7%
Buy signal -85.8% to -100%
Neutral Signal -100.1% to 114.2%
Sell Signal > -114.3% to ?? (So Break out is only signal when it goes past the neutral zone before break out)

Or you have a separate Neutral block breakout Signal where you can set a percentage (14.2% would achieve the above).
Let me know if this makes any sense at all and if I have now really understood your SnR indicator correctly.
  • #2,744
  • Apr 19, 2016 2:53am Apr 19, 2016 2:53am
Quoting SpencerBizze
So the SnR signals setup is not doing well but it isn't giving the signals I would expect so I need to adjust it {image} Huskey and Brain, I think I have missed that the current version of SnR includes break out already I think and this is why I am seeing the wrong signals. Doh The newbie strikes again!!! Above you will see a Sell signal showing on Pin4 which is (SnR, 1440h, Signal 85.8-100). If you look below in the indi it shows -103.7 in red writing, which I am guessing is a sell signal. {image} With my signal set as it is (min85.8 max100)...
Snr in FF show breakout if pass max signal trigger. And if I'm not wrong, send opposite signal in PIN. In your capture will send Sell PIN signal when bar is full blue. About neutral zones and breakout levels if you see captures of new snr posted a few days ago you will see is supported. But don't works as expected and I have improve it more. And behavior new snr is exactly how you commented. But for default neutral zone is 100/127 and breakout 127/161
Try don't lose pants never...
  • #2,745
  • Apr 19, 2016 2:59am Apr 19, 2016 2:59am
Quoting braintheboss
{quote} Depending Trend settings response can be slow. Really it's better use 2 Trend with different sensitive than use many changing only TF. That is same than use only the highest TF for exit. Normally smaller TFs only show a smooth transition of that higher TF. Not useful in auto really
I am assuming you talking about strength not trend, I am using Strength ( v0.20 ) in this instance.
Same applies though from what I understand.

So do you mean that for Example if I had a spare PIN I put in a Daily with Bars set to 5 rather then 25?
Is that what you mean.
If I am understanding correctly then this would only look at the last 5 days and calculate the strength.
Would this not be too slow as well for exit's, maybe do it on the 4 hours with 6 Bars?
With Daily candle reversal as confirmation, so if that day is retracting and the 4 hours TF over the last 6 Bars strength is changed signal it exists?
  • #2,746
  • Apr 19, 2016 3:01am Apr 19, 2016 3:01am
Quoting braintheboss
{quote} Snr in FF show breakout if pass max signal trigger. And if I'm not wrong, send opposite signal in PIN. In your capture will send Sell PIN signal when bar is full blue. About neutral zones and breakout levels if you see captures of new snr posted a few days ago you will see is supported. But don't works as expected and I have improve it more. And behavior new snr is exactly how you commented. But for default neutral zone is 100/127 and breakout 127/161
Sounds good, looking forward to testing it.
Would be good if "neutral zone is 100/127" was adjustable.
  • #2,747
  • Apr 19, 2016 3:10am Apr 19, 2016 3:10am
Quoting SpencerBizze
{quote} Sounds good, looking forward to testing it. Would be good if "neutral zone is 100/127" was adjustable.
All levels are adjustable
Quoting SpencerBizze
{quote} I am assuming you talking about strength not trend, I am using Strength ( v0.20 ) in this instance. Same applies though from what I understand. So do you mean that for Example if I had a spare PIN I put in a Daily with Bars set to 5 rather then 25? Is that what you mean. If I am understanding correctly then this would only look at the last 5 days and calculate the strength. Would this not be too slow as well for exit's, maybe do it on the 4 hours with 6 Bars? With Daily candle reversal as confirmation, so if that day is retracting and the...
Yes. I was wrong. It's strength. Last days I worked in Trend and I didn't out of my head yet . If you use H4 then it's better you mix it with M5/M15 using other MA type searching a different behavior. More extremes behaviors more possibilities to improve trading. If you use same settings changing only TF you only are smoothing swing transition but little times you will have good reading about possible change in trend

Husky is using that way in new Trend and we had surprise last night. In range markets Trend works better than expected. Because normally MAs fails in markets with little volatility. Sometimes tests are a surprise because theories are broken
Try don't lose pants never...
  • #2,748
  • Apr 19, 2016 3:59am Apr 19, 2016 3:59am
Quoting braintheboss
{quote} Snr in FF show breakout if pass max signal trigger. And if I'm not wrong, send opposite signal in PIN. In your capture will send Sell PIN signal when bar is full blue.
This is exactly how it is working currently.
Full blue bar is sell and full red bar is buy, this is what has had me very confused for the last few days as signals going the other way to what I expected.
Didn't realize breakout was already in this version, but I understand it now
The live percentage number does change colour when it goes over your maximum, which is cool just the bar doesn't change colour.
So for example when it goes over -100% the bar will be full blue bar but it shows the number as 103% in red font.
So now I understand looking at history if it shows a little bit of red then this is sell where price is approaching resistance but if it is full bar of red then it is buy and it is a break out and vice versa. Neutral zone before break out is going to help allot.
I understand much better now so all good.


Quoting braintheboss
All levels are adjustable

Looking forward to it, let me know when I can test it.

Quoting braintheboss
Yes. I was wrong. It's strength. Last days I worked in Trend and I didn't out of my head yet . If you use H4 then it's better you mix it with M5/M15 using other MA type searching a different behavior. More extremes behaviors more possibilities to improve trading. If you use same settings changing only TF you only are smoothing swing transition but little times you will have good reading about possible change in trend Husky is using that way in new Trend and we had surprise last night. In range markets Trend works better than expected. Because...
Sounds really interesting. Will start doing some testing.

Huskey, if you up and around please share which MA's and MA settings did you find to help detect market changes against others.
Would be keen to see those results. :nerd:
  • #2,749
  • Apr 19, 2016 4:35am Apr 19, 2016 4:35am
Brain, looks like there might be a bug somewhere.


EURNZD is showing a Sell signal from my SnR server.
Server Settings:
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Results on EAX showing a sell signal.
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But then I have the same inputs on a single chart which is outputting to PIN3 and it is neutral?
Single Chart Settings should be outputting to PIN3 on EAX for confirmation.
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Below you can see it is Neutral
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Any idea what is happening?
  • #2,750
  • Apr 19, 2016 4:56am Apr 19, 2016 4:56am
Some more info on the single mode, seems to be doing something not right as well.

Single chart is giving buy signal now which is perfect:
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But look below there is no global variable showing the PIN3 for EURNZD to buy.
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So Pin is not coming across to EAX because it looks like the Single Chart SnR Indi on EURNZD is not outputting the pin.
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This above is just for confirming signals and checking my settings, but just so you know it looks like the PIN output is not working on single mode.

This server one giving the opposite signal is more what is strange?
You can see the server is still giving on PIN2 the output of 2 which is sell, so it is incorrect for some reason.
Quoting SpencerBizze
Brain, looks like there might be a bug somewhere. EURNZD is showing a Sell signal from my SnR server. Server Settings: {image} Results on EAX showing a sell signal. {image} But then I have the same inputs on a single chart which is outputting to PIN3 and it is neutral? Single Chart Settings should be outputting to PIN3 on EAX for confirmation. {image} Below you can see it is Neutral {image} Any idea what is happening?
  • #2,751
  • Apr 19, 2016 5:19am Apr 19, 2016 5:19am
Quoting SpencerBizze
{quote} This is exactly how it is working currently. Full blue bar is sell and full red bar is buy, this is what has had me very confused for the last few days as signals going the other way to what I expected. Didn't realize breakout was already in this version, but I understand it now The live percentage number does change colour when it goes over your maximum, which is cool just the bar doesn't change colour. So for example when it goes over -100% the bar will be full blue bar but it shows the number as 103% in red font. So now I understand looking...
The colors difference between histogram and percent number have a reason. Histogram show you breakouts and opposite signal (because snr is s/r indicator and you want attack swings). Number show you pin signal (but I'm not sure if works fine)

Quoting SpencerBizze
Some more info on the single mode, seems to be doing something not right as well. Single chart is giving buy signal now which is perfect: {image} But look below there is no global variable showing the PIN3 for EURNZD to buy. {image} So Pin is not coming across to EAX because it looks like the Single Chart SnR Indi on EURNZD is not outputting the pin. {image} This above is just for confirming signals and checking my settings, but just so you know it looks like the PIN output is not working on single mode. This server one giving the opposite signal...
About difference between signals is normal. That is a fast movement and refresh time is not same
Try don't lose pants never...
  • #2,752
  • Apr 19, 2016 6:44am Apr 19, 2016 6:44am
Quoting braintheboss
{quote} The colors difference between histogram and percent number have a reason. Histogram show you breakouts and opposite signal (because snr is s/r indicator and you want attack swings). Number show you pin signal (but I'm not sure if works fine) {quote} About difference between signals is normal. That is a fast movement and refresh time is not same
Hey brain, I don't understand. Am I missing something, how do I adjust the refresh time so that it gives the right signal?

Single mode settings exactly the same as Server mode.
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This shows a buy signal, and has been for at least 2 hours.
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Signal right now with my setting should be a Buy on Daily for EURNZD it is sitting between -85.8 and -110
The Sever is still showing a sell signal but it should be a buy?

Server mode settings exactly the same as the above single mode.
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  • #2,753
  • Apr 19, 2016 6:53am Apr 19, 2016 6:53am
Quoting SpencerBizze
{quote} Hey brain, I don't understand. Am I missing something, how do I adjust the refresh time so that it gives the right signal? Single mode settings exactly the same as Server mode. {image} This shows a buy signal, and has been for at least 2 hours. {image} Signal right now with my setting should be a Buy on Daily for EURNZD it is sitting between -85.8 and -110 The Sever is still showing a sell signal but it should be a buy? Server mode settings exactly the same as the above single mode. {image} This shows a sell signal and has been for at least...
Server mode is right. I don't know if single mode have bug then. Refresh is for chart ticks on both modes
Try don't lose pants never...
  • #2,754
  • Apr 19, 2016 7:25am Apr 19, 2016 7:25am
Quoting braintheboss
{quote} Server mode is right. I don't know if single mode have bug then. Refresh is for chart ticks on both modes
Can you explain a little why server is right so I understand?
According to my settings on this version, this is what I understand the Single mode and Server mode should be giving as signals doesn't matter which mode.

My signal settings are Min 85.8% and Max 110%.

Buy Signal > 110% is break out
Sell signal 85.8 to 110%
Neutral 85.7% to -85.7%
Buy signal -85.8% to -110%
Sell Signal > -110% break out

Currently as per below the signal is -106.5%
This is a buy signal

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Is the above correct if the tick data was correct.
So if server gets the same information is would give buy signal.
Just want to make sure I understand.

I think I understand that you are saying that there is something wrong with tick on this VPS.
I have tested on a different machine and getting different result, I am rebooting and will try and fix the information on the VPS.
  • #2,755
  • Apr 19, 2016 7:34am Apr 19, 2016 7:34am
Just tested on another machine and it is working as expected.

Look below.
Server mode is giving a buy signal for EURCAD.
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Single mode is also giving a buy signal for EURCAD
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So it looks all good, have no idea what is going on with my Amazon VPS server, quite weird.
Quite concerning what your VPS can do, giving completely wrong signals.
Sorry for all the backwards and forwards.
  • #2,756
  • Apr 19, 2016 9:14am Apr 19, 2016 9:14am
I'd like to call this an illusion of succesful day started from this morning...

Why illusion? because i have very fast exits that eat my balance while getting this nice green dashboard (one positive small profit exit so far against many negative ones)
Need more adjustements... will increase value of the smallest MA and try other types

Edit: The trend is your equity friend but your balance enemy
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  • #2,757
  • Apr 19, 2016 9:39am Apr 19, 2016 9:39am
Quoting ydem
Edit: The trend is your equity friend but your balance enemy {image}
Do not trade against the trend ?
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  • #2,758
  • Apr 19, 2016 10:14am Apr 19, 2016 10:14am
Quoting ydem
I'd like to call this an illusion of succesful day started from this morning... Why illusion? because i have very fast exits that eat my balance while getting this nice green dashboard (one positive small profit exit so far against many negative ones) Need more adjustements... will increase value of the smallest MA and try other types Edit: The trend is your equity friend but your balance enemy {image}
is that US dollars in balance?
if yes... then why the... you didnt locked that basket? and close in profit
i dont get it you expect to have better exit from trend or strength? my advice is to use lock feature in this case.at 30 lock 15 .one basket /day i think si decent.
Take what you can, give nothing back
  • #2,759
  • Apr 19, 2016 10:24am Apr 19, 2016 10:24am
oh, it's EUR in balance, i lost like 30 EUR (from bad exits) but gained the double in equity in the process, like 30% of loss and 60% of equity gain = 30% profit so far
but yeah i could have closed at profit, it's just a demo account, i'm thinking of doing two sort of tests one with basket lock like your are doing, and another with take profit only at basket and stop until next day... i just want to see how bad it would go and at which hours the trend starts swinging like crazy (i'm guessing from 8PM in GMT timezone and above until 1 or 2 hours before london session)

BTW, i started at 1AM (bad time to start trending), and most negative exits happened in that time
  • #2,760
  • Apr 19, 2016 10:33am Apr 19, 2016 10:33am
Quoting ydem
oh, it's EUR in balance, i lost like 30 EUR (from bad exits) but gained the double in equity in the process, like 30% of loss and 60% of equity gain = 30% profit so far but yeah i could have closed at profit, it's just a demo account, i'm thinking of doing two sort of tests one with basket lock like your are doing, and another with take profit only at basket and stop until next day... i just want to see how bad it would go and at which hours the trend starts swinging like crazy (i'm guessing from 8PM in GMT timezone and above until 1 or 2 hours...
Hi Ydem

Can you give a Chart example of your entry and your exit one of your trend trade?
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