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  • First Post: Nov 23, 2007 7:37pm Nov 23, 2007 7:37pm
How to turn 50,000 into over 300,000 in 10 years with little risk


Deposit 5k yearly into your trading account Yearly.

Your yearly returns must average 36% a year.

With compounding your account grows up to 330,000 after 10 years.


These results are based on an annual growth rate of 36% a year.
Hypothetical results but it makes perfect since. That would be very conservative savings and trading.
Nice idea, but where does the 36% come from?

Are you trading fulltime to get 36%?

Are you scalping (daytrading) or swing trading or both? Are you using fundamentals or TA?

Sorry, but the real problem isn't finding a compounding system for growth, it's finding a positive expectancy way of trading.

Quoting gio9
How to turn 50,000 into over 300,000 in 10 years with little risk


Deposit 5k yearly into your trading account Yearly.

Your yearly returns must average 36% a year.

With compounding your account grows up to 330,000 after 10 years.


These results are based on an annual growth rate of 36% a year.
Hypothetical results but it makes perfect since. That would be very conservative savings and trading.
You can do your own trading if you are profitable. Or use a managed account. I have several making over 36% a year with little drawdowns. I stopped going for managed accounts making over 100% a year since they usually encounter huge drawdowns.
trade the swap....open 2 account..1 account swap and another is swap free.... 1 year profit 30%-40% trade GBPJPY
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Brokers catch on to this and shut you down. That 30-40% is coming out of their overhead.

How long has this worked for you?
Quoting tdion
Brokers catch on to this and shut you down. That 30-40% is coming out of their overhead.

How long has this worked for you?
Several years, if you find a system of trading that also produces profit you can use the 2 accounts for this and the broker won't mind the open trades. Roll some lots and the brokers happy. The nice thing is, for long term trading, you can trade long term on either account. If the trade setting up would normally charge interest, use the interest free. If it would normally pay interest, use the interest positive account.
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Quoting kenari05
trade the swap....open 2 account..1 account swap and another is swap free.... 1 year profit 30%-40% trade GBPJPY
brokers show good rates to get the carry guys in, then, first the yen rates starts to change, then the pound.

here is how to check your current swap rates in mt4:

1) open the market watch window.

2) right click in the window

3) select "symbols"

4) left click the currency pair

5) click on the pair that appears with the gold dollar sign icon

6) click on "properties" to see your long and short swap rates


- also, 36%/year would require pretty good leverage. not so sure one could keep that 36% compounding for five years as easily as you imply without getting hit with a drawdown.
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Quoting kenari05
trade the swap....open 2 account..1 account swap and another is swap free.... 1 year profit 30%-40% trade GBPJPY

maybe go long on the carry pairs at the broker that pays highest swap while go short at broker with lowest negative swap ? - less profit though.

how about ECN, do you pay less swap going short on carry pairs over there ?

what about spreadbetting companies ?
"trade the swap....open 2 account..1 account swap and another is swap free.... 1 year profit 30%-40% trade GBPJPY"

Any possibility to make 15%+ return / year Risk free....... seems almost WAY WAY to good to be true. I'm very thrilled about this idea, and will certainly look further into the matter. Even if its 10%/yr risk-free it be great! Care to share a few names of "Swap free" brokers and high-yielding Swap brokers?

On the 36%.... I think it's real hard to make 30%+ for 10 straight years. I'll be incredibly excited if I can make 30%+ over a prolonged period of time, even if it takes an 60hr workweek to accomplish it. Are there managed accounts that bring you 30%+ / yr without you having to do anything?! Again... that sounds WAY WAY to good to be true .... certainly worth investigating though. Could you please give me some links to help me getting started?
Quoting FrankS
On the 36%.... I think it's real hard to make 30%+ for 10 straight years. I'll be incredibly excited if I can make 30%+ over a prolonged period of time, even if it takes an 60hr workweek to accomplish it. Are there managed accounts that bring you 30%+ / yr without you having to do anything?! Again... that sounds WAY WAY to good to be true .... certainly worth investigating though. Could you please give me some links to help me getting started?

the sub-prime guys were making above-average returns until they crashed. amazing that the board members failed to ask how it was possible to sustain above-average returns with poor credit risk borrowers.
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Quoting gio9
How to turn 50,000 into over 300,000 in 10 years with little risk


Deposit 5k yearly into your trading account Yearly.

Your yearly returns must average 36% a year.

With compounding your account grows up to 330,000 after 10 years.


These results are based on an annual growth rate of 36% a year.
Hypothetical results but it makes perfect since. That would be very conservative savings and trading.
Wow, you can use a calculator! Why this warranted opening a thread with a misleading title I don't know. Sounds like a spam set-up inviting inquiries about these 'managed accounts' to me. Leave well alone.
You just have to have the right broker.

Also This just shows the power of compounding. You don't need to make 100- 400% a year to get rich over time. This is why everyone loses in forex. They try to make huge unrealistic returns.

From my experience, even the best managers that make huge returns have drawdowns as below

36% a year profits -peak to valley drawdown 10%
100% profits - peak to valley drawdown of 40%

My thoughts are.. if you have a system making over 200% a year then you are highly likely to have a drawdown of 80% in a year.

I'm not just talking about 1 year of solid trading. I'm talking about keeping a 200% return for 10 years with a large amount of money. I have never seen it done. That is why I go with more realistic expectations like 50% growth on my portfolio a year. It's just better money management.

Hey and if you can prove me wrong and have someone making 200% a year on millions of dollars show me the proof and I will gladly give you money.

Cheers everyone.
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  • Last Post: Dec 1, 2007 9:47am Dec 1, 2007 9:47am
There are plenty of mutual funds getting 30 - 100% per year.

Sound risky? I don't see it that way. Latin America, SE Asia, China, India, Canada, emerging markets in general, will continue to grow steadily for awhile yet, before the bubble bursts. FXI is an exchange traded (you can set a stop order and also there's no penalty for early withdrawal) fund and has done over 80% YTD.

What is the risk of not being in these sectors?

Also, I like FIUIX right now. Sell in May or June. Look at a 10 year chart and see why. Last year I made 20% in 8 months with it (mid Oct - June 1).
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