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  • #41
  • Jan 21, 2016 6:20am Jan 21, 2016 6:20am
Quoting Pipologist
{quote} Interesting analysis will look into it.
It's nothing spectacular. Surely can do as a mt4 indi. When it turns to + I am only looking for long positions etc - off course that presumes that NQ is the leading index at least in price volatility, which is the case most of the time. Still in testing phase though.
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  • #42
  • Jan 21, 2016 7:51am Jan 21, 2016 7:51am
Quoting sakisf
{quote} It's nothing spectacular. Surely can do as a mt4 indi. When it turns to + I am only looking for long positions etc - off course that presumes that NQ is the leading index at least in price volatility, which is the case most of the time. Still in testing phase though. {image}

Seems to me ANY US index that leads could be a HUGE divergence? Especially if it crawled out of negative back to positive...Example YM last hour....
  • #43
  • Jan 21, 2016 8:07am Jan 21, 2016 8:07am
Quoting Pipologist
{quote} Seems to me ANY US index that leads could be a HUGE divergence? Especially if it crawled out of negative back to positive...Example YM last hour....
Oh well, you just have to take the chances. It's not a given that the change of direction in one will lead all but you could use small stops to find out. At least if it works you will be in from the beginning of the short term trend.

I am now trying to find multipliers to make them all appear as one line each in a chart. I am more visual than numbers.
  • #44
  • Jan 21, 2016 9:10am Jan 21, 2016 9:10am
Quoting sakisf
{quote} Oh well, you just have to take the chances. It's not a given that the change of direction in one will lead all but you could use small stops to find out. At least if it works you will be in from the beginning of the short term trend. I am now trying to find multipliers to make them all appear as one line each in a chart. I am more visual than numbers.
I think it's Nas/Dow leading SP for most part. And maybe less than 10 control 25% or more of the movement. APPL, and GS and PG are top movers in volatility and pricing for the indices.

For the US stock market the DJ, NAS, and SP are highly correlated and each have huge fund flows daily. Unlike say Japan which has one major index or Germany and UK with just one major index each, the US Markets consider it all "the stock market" whether it's DJ, NAS or SP. So a divergence where one closes negative and stays negative and the others close positive and stay positive for the close is unusual. The SP is a beast of it's own, because they still pit trade it and the institutions have "baskets"(I think there's 5 of them A through E) that can be traded against the index instantly. The SP has so much money and control of the stock market that they still keep the live pit trading. There's so much about the SP and institutional trading against it that is not known to the public. I've been there during the day and even had dinner on the floor of the exchange with some locals, but it's still a mystery to me. Other than during a session, it's a zoo there.
  • #45
  • Feb 14, 2016 4:31pm Feb 14, 2016 4:31pm
Quoting sakisf
{quote} It's nothing spectacular. Surely can do as a mt4 indi. When it turns to + I am only looking for long positions etc - off course that presumes that NQ is the leading index at least in price volatility, which is the case most of the time. Still in testing phase though. {image}
How is/has been the +/- system been working for you?
Been working on a volatility based ea (everything based on volatility) for weeks now, tweaking, and testing, trying to take advantage of this volatility that should last at least until summer, then again til at least October I think.
  • #46
  • Feb 15, 2016 3:44am Feb 15, 2016 3:44am
Quoting Pipologist
{quote} How is/has been the +/- system been working for you? Been working on a volatility based ea (everything based on volatility) for weeks now, tweaking, and testing, trying to take advantage of this volatility that should last at least until summer, then again til at least October I think.
Hey there. I have actually abandoned this spreadsheet as it wasn't giving me any useful edge, other than just tell me which one of the 3 was lagging (ES,NQ,YM) in order to long/short it when a daily trend was established. Wasn't that useful for reversals.

Still sticking to ES 1m 34wave EMA system with good results and trying to do some currency low leverage position trading with the same system on daily/weekly atm. I have tried to trade NQ instead of ES for some time but I just can't handle it, can't find reasonable positions to put stops or limits, ES is so much easier if you just avoid NY open & next 1 hour.
  • #47
  • Feb 15, 2016 4:06am Feb 15, 2016 4:06am
Quoting sakisf
{quote} Hey there. I have actually abandoned this spreadsheet as it wasn't giving me any useful edge, other than just tell me which one of the 3 was lagging (ES,NQ,YM) in order to long/short it when a daily trend was established. Wasn't that useful for reversals. Still sticking to ES 1m 34wave EMA system with good results and trying to do some currency low leverage position trading with the same system on daily/weekly atm. I have tried to trade NQ instead of ES for some time but I just can't handle it, can't find reasonable positions to put stops...
ES is much more suitable for pure scalpers if funded properly...tight stops, and comparatively much less volatile, except when whole market is gyrating then it can be more volatile.

Trying to trade NQ vs ES, is difficult enough....for stops, one cannot compare simply number of number of ticks loss, or even equal amount of $ loss, for stops, a flexible volatility calculation and adjustment for each comparative trade is necessary. On my recent volatility EA I've been working on since mid January, it gets poor results on ES, but wild results on NQ during these last 6 weeks. Of course, point wise, hard stops are much wider...but also tighten up very quickly if market goes against the trade.

When I scalp NQ (during boredom or while waiting for EA to get into a position), I put tight stops 1.0 above the most recent significant 1 min candle, usually the one before entry. Depending on the market and entry it amounts to 5.0 average sl range, sometimes 2.0 or less, if I hit it in a fast moving market. I might have to let it get hit several times in a row, but usually when it pops in the direction of my trade, it makes up for several hit stops and more. If the market is moving aggressively, can get into black on 1 or 2 trade cycles with those very tight stops. My futures cfd broker will usually stretch the spread to 1.0, but in the actual CME market, could probably get away with the same entry style just .50 above the recent significant candle. 2 weeks ago before the BOJ fart, I nailed 10 scalps in a row on NQ even with those wide spread s without getting the close stop hit. Those were good sessions.
  • #48
  • Feb 15, 2016 4:29am Feb 15, 2016 4:29am
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>> Quinton’s Simple & Effortless Trading thread
  • #49
  • Feb 15, 2016 4:35am Feb 15, 2016 4:35am
NQ is prone to go on its own many times, diverging from the others for longer periods of time. For ES I just watch Dow, EU, Dax and I get the general idea (1 min charts) - though sometimes Dax strays off a bit. In ES I use a 8 tick stop, 100 usd - always 1 contract, tried the same with NQ, 20 tick stop and got 5 out of 5 losses in a row, while in the same ES trade direction I would have gotten only 2 stops. I might give it a try as cfd but spread is 1-2 (oanda), with cme I get 0.25-0.75 even at this time with low liquidity, 0.25-0.50 after US open.
  • #50
  • Feb 15, 2016 4:55am Feb 15, 2016 4:55am
Quoting sakisf
NQ is prone to go on its own many times, diverging from the others for longer periods of time. For ES I just watch Dow, EU, Dax and I get the general idea (1 min charts) - though sometimes Dax strays off a bit. In ES I use a 8 tick stop, 100 usd - always 1 contract, tried the same with NQ, 20 tick stop and got 5 out of 5 losses in a row, while in the same ES trade direction I would have gotten only 2 stops. I might give it a try as cfd but spread is 1-2 (oanda), with cme I get 0.25-0.75 even at this time with low liquidity, 0.25-0.50 after US open....
no no, don't trade it as cfd unless you want to scalp at lower lot size (partial lots), the added spread will make your stops get hit faster...

NQ stops have to be adjusted for NQ volatility, trading $100 sl in ES and trading $100 sl in NQ is not the same even if the point range of the stop is higher in NQ...the base volatility of price action is most of the time is higher on NQ, so stops have to be wider at the very least by a factor of the additional volatility. It's an elusive and very difficult thing to pin down.
  • #51
  • Feb 15, 2016 4:58am Feb 15, 2016 4:58am
Also a good chunk percentage wise *much more than 10%* of NQ100 is dominated by just 2 to 5 high profile stocks, any action of those big names and it will move faster or diverge.
  • #52
  • Feb 15, 2016 5:02am Feb 15, 2016 5:02am
what is it you wish to say?
you chart conveys no opinion or analysis...
you wish for others to "read between the lines"

or you just want to post a link to your thread and not appear to be spamming?

come quinton you can do better than that...make a stand, share your opinion, some analysis, take a trade, something less cryptic

...
  • #53
  • Feb 15, 2016 5:54am Feb 15, 2016 5:54am
Quoting Quinton
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Alright. It would have been nicer for you to add a few words about what you think about the chart you posted.

I had to go to your thread to figure out your style. Was getting people to visit your thread your purpose for just the chart?

The chart only, could mean different things to different traders...

for example, if one is already long....you expect a TP at 4110-4120 (one of my EAs is holding an entry from this morning for a similar level)

or, you could be saying you expect to wait and short it at 4110-4120 (which is by what I read, what you may be looking for),

yeah sure 4120 is near term current resistance. That's easy to draw and post...

much more difficult to pipoint.... when and how long and how much will move after that.

Basically, not a fan of simple charts only posts to threads unless they are annotated a bit more.

You're free to post however you want, your thread shows you know what you are talking about, just had to read it to figure out what you wanted to say with that single chart post without any dialogue...

If a picture in trading was as valuable as a thousand words we'd all be rich just by looking at charts only.
  • #54
  • Feb 15, 2016 7:06am Feb 15, 2016 7:06am
short term intra day volatility changed within last half hour, last open long from EAs closed automatically and new short(s) initiated by EA.

as it is with NQ and other volatile markets this can change within minutes and be out of the short and long again, but for now it's out.

considering usd/jpy is on a tear this morning (likely boj intervention has begun while U.S stock market is closed, just like the opposite on Thursday last week when it was a natl holiday in Japan and boj called trading desks late night because of too much movement)...

considering yen intervention *could* be starting or at least testing the waters, might be a quick fast move up in N100 again shortly.

sign of yen intervention is that they're stacking it up in 20p levels and supporting the strength with more weakness and trying to trigger stops up the ladder...same kinds of moves a few years ago when they started moving it up from 80s to 105. Don't know how long they can do this, but PM Abe has a personal mandate to support the Nikkei as evidenced by his personal Bloomberg terminal (know any other global leaders that personally have a Bloomberg in their office???). Strong support in Nikkei will overflow into US stocks even in minor levels.
  • #55
  • Edited Feb 17, 2016 5:29am Feb 16, 2016 1:58pm | Edited Feb 17, 2016 5:29am
thanks for all ))
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  • #56
  • Feb 16, 2016 10:20pm Feb 16, 2016 10:20pm
Quoting spacca
Hi i have some problem : I must try volume data feeds ,, not to throw away my things in mq4 language ,, since I just need an API I have tried to put cluster data .dll cme in
I think you posted your question in the wrong forum...please clean/up or delete or edit it...thank you.
  • #57
  • May 4, 2018 1:49pm May 4, 2018 1:49pm
The only way I could make sense of prices is to use a lot of moving averages......trading NQ via CFD......futures are too expensive for me right now
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  • #58
  • May 7, 2018 7:13am May 7, 2018 7:13am
Linecharts.......very easy to find support and resistance using them......I have been focusing on NQ lately.....
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  • #59
  • May 7, 2018 8:50am May 7, 2018 8:50am
NQ moves aggressively.......whoa
  • #60
  • May 7, 2018 8:53am May 7, 2018 8:53am
I will follow this direction until lunchhour ..... some sort of bounce it seems....
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