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  •  metta87
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Quoting Gobigfx
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{quote} Excellent welcome to the millionaires club.
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lol
 
 
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  •  zghnno
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The biggest driver on Friday was the BOJ negative rates if anything but even that would not effect the EUR enough to overcome randomness.
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How would you have traded the BOJ?
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  •  bagman
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Do you mean that Yen spike on the 29th? I would have stayed out of it.
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  •  juangecko
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hi gobigfx, It's very nice to meet you, I am not a professional trader but I have the same thought as you. The Fx market is too large and it's become random in 90% of time. 10% left is when the news come out or some Big banks, Big institutions they are hunting the sheeps. That's the way I approach the Fx market, I want to fight the random and that's it. And I have figured it out that Martingale is a good method to deal with it, but you need to combine it with other methods because it's dangerous. I haven't found my best recipe but I know I am on...
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since when have you been doing the martingale?
 
 
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  • Jul 12, 2016 10:09am Jul 12, 2016 10:09am
  •  sam777
  • | Joined Jun 2011 | Status: Member | 24 Posts
Gobigfx,

Vwap changes throughout the day. It makes a significance difference as to when you get the fill and in the bonus when you were working. There must be some baseline VWAP that the client says around this price and not any Vwap during the day because it is a moving target. Is it the VWAP from day before or what?

Thanks for your excellent posts!

Sam
 
 
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  • Jul 12, 2016 10:32am Jul 12, 2016 10:32am
  •  mtfxlive
  • | Joined Jul 2016 | Status: Junior Member | 1 Post
Hello all,

I agree with many of the folks here, that the market is filled with a high degree off randomness. It makes our days more challenging, stressful, and exciting
Here are some of our analysis on the current market volatility that does exist, and where the trend is heading towards July.

US Dollar: The US dollar has been the beneficiary of recent Brexit related volatility. With Britain voting to exit the EU, downside risks to the global economy have increased and have forced the Fed to remain on the sidelines longer. While the June US payrolls report was exceptional and the US economy continues to outperform, most analysts project the Fed to raise rates only once this year. Despite the Fed remaining on the sidelines longer, the greenback is expected to gain further ground against the majors for the remainder of 2016. Bias bullish (stronger USD)
Canadian Dollar: Enhanced uncertainties about the global economy courtesy of Brexit should restrain commodity prices and hence the Canadian dollar. Adding to the loonies woes is a dovish Bank of Canada that may pre-empt measures to stimulate growth. Furthermore, the ballooning current account deficit, lacklustre unemployment and the dependence of foreign capital flows that could dwindle are likely to weigh on the loonie. Most expect the loonie to give back some of its recent gains and trade between 1.30 1.35 in the coming months. Bias bearish (weaker CAD)
Euro: The battle against deflation is far from over in Europe. Fundamentals in the Eurozone continue to remain weak and long-term inflation forecasts remain well under the 2% ECB threshold. While the Fed is likely to remain on the sidelines, the European Central Bank is poised to provide more stimulus to an already sputtering economy. Economic and political risks continue to be stacked against the euro and most expect the euro to weaken over the coming months. Bias bearish (weaker EUR)
Japanese Yen: The Brexit vote and global uncertainty has undone most of the work the BoJ has tried to accomplish with devaluing the yen in the first half of the year. The global uncertainties created by the Brexit vote has pushed the yen a whopping 10% higher in the month of June and is now flirting with a break of the 100 level against the US dollar. The Bank of Japan is likely to ease policy in the months ahead in an attempt to devalue the yen. Bias bearish (weaker JPY)
British Pound: On June 23rd the UK voted to leave the EU. The referendum was the easy part. Exiting the EU will be a much more challenging process with economic implications that are likely to impact the UK economy for years to come. The immediate consequence of the vote has left the UK in a political vacuum and has already caused an aggressive repricing/downgrading of UK assets. Looking ahead, economic activity is expected to dramatically deteriorate forcing the BoE to add significant stimulus to fuel the economy. The GBP is likely to fall further in the coming months possibly reaching the mid to low 1.20s before stabilizing. Bias bearish (weaker GBP)
Mexican Peso: The Mexican Peso was severely impacted by the Brexit vote with the currency peaking at 19.52 before settling back in high-18 range. Although external developments have dominated the market for the last little while, domestic elements are likely to take hold over the coming months. MXN peso is expected to outperform as growth accelerates and the Banxico increases the fondeo rate possibly ahead of the Fed by the end of the year. Most analysts remain bullish on the MXN especially with the steady growth experienced in the US. Bias bullish (stronger MXN)
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Hope this is helpful, as I have learned quite a bit from the previous posts myself!
 
 
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  •  COGSx86
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I agree with everything GoBigFx is saying, with market orders from big firms. This is how the markets move simple as that. Just think the big boyz know when to buy and sell!! Pretty simple........randomness.......................baaaaaahhahahaha. These companies know exactly what they are doing.


ok here it is!!!


The big banks have big trading departments, but banks don't try to make money on the forex market, they make it through transactions with people, businesses, government and are best friends, central banks. But they also have departments that are for trying to make money. So with that in mind, the majority of a bank isnt trying to make money on the FOREX market, these are the ones who drive the market, they would be broke by now.

I use to work at a grain handling company and when a farmer comes into to sell his grain, we buy it from him and sell it right away on the market. The company doesn't make money buying and selling grain, it makes money by handling it. Why would banks be any different ? You really think they would charge you 1$ for every etransfer you make if they made so much money on the FOREX market ?

SO here is how it works on the market. The head trading desk will issue alerts to the floor. When to activate positions. You have a company like apple saying they need some parts from Germany, so they need to buy EUROS. But right now the EURO is in a bad place to buy. So the bank will absorb the order from APPLE, charge them the current currency rate and leverage the position until the market is in a better position same goes for delivery with firms hedging their positions on the futures market to avoid any loses on the market. Then once that alert gets issues the bank would buy EUROs. The banks makes money on the transaction and they make alittle on the forex market but not much. But enough to change the market. Hence why banks have been around for so long.

The head trading desk has its EA that trades the levels first, they then send out the alerts to the company traders.

In the screen shot below these levels were all drawn last week, from a consolidation zone, the market knew where it was trading well before price even got there.
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  •  vladutz112
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I agree with everything GoBigFx is saying, with market orders from big firms. This is how the markets move simple as that. Just think the big boyz know when to buy and sell!! Pretty simple........randomness.......................baaaaaahhahahaha. These companies know exactly what they are doing. ok here it is!!! The big banks have big trading departments, but banks don't try to make money on the forex market, they make it through transactions with people, businesses, government and are best friends, central banks. But they also have departments...
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hmmm i like ur view on how the market works...could u give more exapmples please?
 
 
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  •  COGSx86
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NFP on friday - all zones were drawn from previous 2 consolidation zones
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  •  Lindman
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I am not interested in anything less then a 7 year track record as the sample size will be too small.
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This is 16 years of EURUSD, now tell me please, what has changed?
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NFP on friday - all zones were drawn from previous 2 consolidation zones {image} {image} {image} {image} {image} {image}
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The beauty of the market. 99.9% accurate 0.01% random
(.)(.) think first ...
 
 
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  •  maximumguita
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{quote} PLEASE DO NOT DO THIS its a fools game and you will lose a lot of money. There is no need to guess or gamble as traders we never want to gamble we want to make logical decisions based on facts and understanding how markets work and who is moving them. Many times after new information hits the market there will be an initial reaction that you will miss and thats perfectly fine because once the initial frenzy of all the Algo's has stopped the reaction will continue and this is when you will catch huge moves. Remember I told you all.... you...
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Why not gambling? If you can handle it
(.)(.) think first ...
 
 
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  •  Lindman
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Quoting Gobigfx
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{quote} PLEASE DO NOT DO THIS its a fools game and you will lose a lot of money. There is no need to guess or gamble as traders we never want to gamble we want to make logical decisions based on facts and understanding how markets work and who is moving them. Many times after new information hits the market there will be an initial reaction that you will miss and thats perfectly fine because once the initial frenzy of all the Algo's has stopped the reaction will continue and this is when you will catch huge moves. Remember I told you all.... you...
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I forget where the analogy first popped up on the forums, but it goes like this:

You do not need to know how an engine works to drive a car.
You do not need to know how traffic lights work to drive a car.

One does not need a complex understanding of the market other than it moves from point A to point B. Like driving a car, you need only to follow the rules to get from one place to another.
 
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  •  pippiphooray
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{quote} I forget where the analogy first popped up on the forums, but it goes like this: You do not need to know how an engine works to drive a car. You do not need to know how traffic lights work to drive a car. One does not need a complex understanding of the market other than it moves from point A to point B. Like driving a car, you need only to follow the rules to get from one place to another.
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Nice!
 
 
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  • Jul 12, 2016 1:26pm Jul 12, 2016 1:26pm
  •  gravitist
  • | Joined Aug 2014 | Status: Member | 639 Posts
Gobigfx,

THANK YOU! I and a few others like Mingary have been warning people, though few will probably heed the warning.

L1ndgren - I don't know where that quote popped up, but it's a lie. A horrible, ugly, malicious lie designed to entice losing traders to keep on losing. A lie probably posted by a broker who wants to keep fleecing the retail flock.

Trading retail forex is NOT like driving a car, it's a poor analogy. Here are my much better analogies:

" One doesn't need to know how a slot machine works in order to LOSE ALL one's money to it."

" One doesn't need to know how a roulette wheel works in order to LOSE ALL one's money to it."


To claim one doesn't need a complex understanding of the markets in order to trade is hopelessly naive and financially dangerous. The large banks and funds who run the fx market hire teams of economists. Why do you think that is? Why do the ONLY people on earth who actually DO make money in forex think they need university-trained economists? If it's just like driving a car, then why don't they just follow the little wiggly lines on their charts like all the other suckers..., er, I mean traders?


Maybe, just maybe, you'll ponder these questions and have an epiphany - though I'm not hopeful. You'll probably read these lines, laugh them off, and then go right back to losing your money like all the rest of the sheep. But,hey, it's OK - at least , you'll have lots of company. And you'll also have Forex Factory , where con artists and hucksters will try to sell you snake-oil indicators. Good luck, you'll need it.
 
 
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  •  Gobigfx
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Gobigfx, THANK YOU! I and a few others like Mingary have been warning people, though few will probably heed the warning. L1ndgren - I don't know where that quote popped up, but it's a lie. A horrible, ugly, malicious lie designed to entice losing traders to keep on losing. A lie probably posted by a broker who wants to keep fleecing the retail flock. Trading retail forex is NOT like driving a car, it's a poor analogy. Here are my much better analogies: " One doesn't need to know how a slot machine works in order to LOSE ALL one's money to it." "...
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Everything you have said is very true.

Why do you think Investment banks spend literally multi millions of dollars a year for the best and smartest educated people in the world in Finance ?

Are they just foolish and wasting all that money for no good reason? and Trading is really just simple? and you guys have all figured it out and they are fools ? yet they have been in business for hundreds of years and 98% of you fail. ?

Think about what your saying guys for f#@% sakes.

One of my colleagues makes $250k a year and he is not even close to the highest paid fundamental Analyst.

Keep believing in the tooth fairy and see where that ends you up or get educated by someone who is qualified with true credentials at a real institutional background. I spend a lot of time on youtube watching educators and trust me I have only seen one or two guys that have any true qualifications and that is why I fear for most of you. You literally are trading blind and lead by the blind.

Read my posts and you may have a chance once you stop focusing on the wrong things and start focusing on what matters.

Have a great weekend wish you all the very best of trades even if you are a hater I still wish you well and hope you prove me wrong. I will be happy to see anyone's success.
 
 
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  •  juangecko
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{quote} I spend a lot of time on youtube watching educators and trust me I have only seen one or two guys that have any true qualifications and that is why I fear for most of you. .
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Thanks Gobigfx.Can you paste the link of the one or two guys that have any true qualifications in youtube.Thanks again
 
 
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  •  frx_trader
  • | Joined Jun 2012 | Status: Analyst | 3,688 Posts
If the market is random, then it follows "randomness" rule. Given there is a rule, such as GU range is between 1.20 and 1.40.

Close your eyes and place an order. Example the current GU is 1.29. And you place a buy order. Hoping the price will hit 1.35.

If the price is random, eventually GU will hit 1.35, given the range of 1.20 to 1.40. We don't know when. Probably 10 years or 20 years. Or maybe not in your life time. Or you have run out of money.

Thet's the rule of randomness. But that's not how you will trade. Do you?
 
 
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  •  Gobigfx
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{quote} Thanks Gobigfx.Can you paste the link of the one or two guys that have any true qualifications in youtube.Thanks again
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Ray Demedici at Compassfx is the man.

Steve Patterson Trading is good (google him on youtube)

If your into options SJoptions
 
 
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