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  • #1
  • First Post: Edited May 26, 2015 5:39am May 19, 2015 5:43am | Edited May 26, 2015 5:39am
Please let me create a new thread for this topic as there are too many versions of code in the old thread.
I've updated the code files as the latest versions as enclosed.

1. According to the EA, an old order should be closed and a new order should be open just 1 bar later than the signal.
However, the back testing still isn't consistent with the indicator signals and please refer to the screenshot below.
This issue only happens seldom during back testing. However, it exists and not reasonable.
2. Besides, there is another issue that the first order during back testing is always later than the first signal for 2 signals.

Who can help tell the root cause? Thanks a lot in advance.

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  • #2
  • Edited 7:45am May 19, 2015 7:31am | Edited 7:45am
[quote=jollydragon;8270738] According to the EA, an old order should be closed and a new order should be open just 1 bar later than the signal. However, the back testing still isn't consistent with the indicator signals and please refer to the screenshot below. 2. Besides, there is another issue that the first order during back testing is always later than the first signal for 2 signals.


U can never solve this problem the reason is that: all indicator are liers
example: you said: the first order during back testing is always later than the first signal for 2 signals.
this is because the indicator is a lier!!!
in fact there is a time lag in the indicator, it waits untill the next candle is formed, if the candle was bullish it say, Yeah I am bullish too !!! if the next candle was bearish, the indicator pretend it was also bearish, in fact the indicator waits untill the next movement of price is done then it adapt itself to the movement and pretend it was a true prediction

all indicators have these two problems:
1: they repaint
2: they are time lagged
80% of traders have been fooled by not knowing this two factor and trust indicators
(very soon one of them comes and insult me here the reason is he can not understand the tuth, the reason is he can't understand how indicators are forming)
  • #3
  • May 19, 2015 7:41am May 19, 2015 7:41am
Quoting jollydragon
Please let me create a new thread for this topic as there are too many versions of code in the old thread. I've updated the code files as the latest versions as enclosed. 1. According to the EA, an old order should be closed and a new order should be open just 1 bar later than the signal. However, the back testing still isn't consistent with the indicator signals and please refer to the screenshot below. 2. Besides, there is another issue that the first order during back testing is always later than the first signal for 2 signals. Who can help tell...
if you didn't understand or didn't accept wht I said in previous post do this you will discover what I said:

open a chart, put your EA and indicator on it, and let it trade (allow ea to trade)
then sit in front of your PC, and watch the chart and especially the indicator
soon, you will see that the indicator is fooling you
you will see that the indicator waits, and the market is going ahead
suddenly the indicator continue and pretend it was doing correct
(do it yourself you will notice all the above)
some coders think if they shift the indicators they can solve this problem, but it is not true, in reality nothing change, and the error signal are still there
  • #4
  • May 20, 2015 5:32am May 20, 2015 5:32am
Quoting tablet8
{quote} if you didn't understand or didn't accept wht I said in previous post do this you will discover what I said: open a chart, put your EA and indicator on it, and let it trade (allow ea to trade) then sit in front of your PC, and watch the chart and especially the indicator soon, you will see that the indicator is fooling you you will see that the indicator waits, and the market is going ahead suddenly the indicator continue and pretend it was doing correct (do it yourself you will notice all the above) some coders think if they shift the indicators...
Dear tablet,
Thanks for reminding. But could you please tell any issue you found in my indicator or EA code?
  • #5
  • May 20, 2015 5:41am May 20, 2015 5:41am
Quoting jollydragon
{quote} Dear tablet, Thanks for reminding. But could you please tell any issue you found in my indicator or EA code?
it is not your indicator issue
it is all indicators issue
they have lag= they draw the past, not now not future
it is impossible to write a correct indicator which doesn't have lag or doesn't repaint
the reason is : indicators are only another painting of past, they are not prediction of future

so don't waste your time on changing indicators to ea
Live trading happens in now and furute not in the past
  • #6
  • May 20, 2015 5:44am May 20, 2015 5:44am
Quoting tablet8
{quote} it is not your indicator issue it is all indicators issue they have lag= they draw the past, not now not future it is impossible to write a correct indicator which doesn't have lag or doesn't repaint the reason is : indicators are only another painting of past, they are not prediction of future so don't waste your time on changing indicators to ea Live trading happens in now and furute not in the past
How are you so sure? MetaQuotes team told my code has some problem and need dig it out.
  • #7
  • May 20, 2015 5:59am May 20, 2015 5:59am
Quoting jollydragon
{quote} How are you so sure? MetaQuotes team told my code has some problem and need dig it out.
Please do what I said in previous post:
sit behind your computer and watch the chart with indicator and EA running
this is the only way to understand me.

by the way don't trust metaquote team, they are nothing , they only work for money
they only write useless code for money just for money just for money

many months ago I saw an indicator which I thought it was 100% correct, because when I looked at the chart it was always correct so with a friend of mine we changed it to an ea, when we tested ,it was terrible, then I sit beside the chart and becktest it in deep detail, first I thought my code is wrong but when I watched it in deep detail and I also modified the code many many times but it was always loosing, finally I find out that the indicator is fooling me and has lag, then I worked on other indicators and their formula, then I found that all of them has this problem
and I found that all are useless
I can only trust fibonacci now


please watch the screen , watch the indicator for may be 1 hour in for example 5 minute , this is the only way to understand what I said
(never trust anything unless u experience it)
  • #8
  • May 26, 2015 4:01am May 26, 2015 4:01am
Quoting tablet8
{quote} Please do what I said in previous post: sit behind your computer and watch the chart with indicator and EA running this is the only way to understand me. by the way don't trust metaquote team, they are nothing , they only work for money they only write useless code for money just for money just for money many months ago I saw an indicator which I thought it was 100% correct, because when I looked at the chart it was always correct so with a friend of mine we changed it to an ea, when we tested ,it was terrible, then I sit beside the chart...

Dear Tablet8,

Even though I can see the re-painting of indicator, how can I know it's MetaQuotes team fooling us instead of there's issue in my indicator code?
  • #9
  • May 26, 2015 4:43am May 26, 2015 4:43am
Quoting jollydragon
{quote} how can I know it's MetaQuotes team fooling us instead of there's issue in my indicator code?
no no, u didn't understand me,
MetaQuotes team is not fooling us, they write every code u want, they code every idea u have, OK?
but they know that this method will not work like hundreds of other method, which other people have asked them. but they write your code because you requested them to write it and u are going to pay for that.
it is not their problem, it is a business for them,
it is you and me that should not pay for this code
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I said: but they know that this method will not work
why will not work?
because none of the indicators can predict the future, I have written more explanation in this topic, take a look at it
http://www.forexfactory.com/showthre...82#post8283282
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So your code is correct,
and u can not make it profitable
because it is impossible with indicators
because they are lagging indicators
and it is impossible to write no lag no repaint indicator
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I'm Kurdish , You're Chinese, no one is english ! , I hope you undersand me this time
  • #10
  • May 26, 2015 4:50am May 26, 2015 4:50am
I watched the M1 charts with the indicator previously updated in my first post above for hours today and never found the re-painting again.
However, the issues during back testing in my first post still exist and I can't find out the root cause.
May I ask a favor for your help! Thanks!

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  • #11
  • May 26, 2015 4:58am May 26, 2015 4:58am
Quoting jollydragon
I watched the M1 charts with the indicator previously updated in my first post above for hours today and never found the re-painting again. However, the issues during back testing in my first post still exist and I can't find out the root cause. May I ask a favor for your help! Thanks! {image}
what is lag?
if u watch indicator and price and robot, u will see that price is moving but indicator is waiting
or u will see that price is moving but indicator is moving slower than price
this is the meaning of lag
it is different from repaint .
  • #12
  • May 26, 2015 4:58am May 26, 2015 4:58am
Quoting tablet8
{quote} no no, u didn't understand me, MetaQuotes team is not fooling us, they write every code u want, they code every idea u have, OK? but they know that this method will not work like hundreds of other method, which other people have asked them. but they write your code because you requested them to write it and u are going to pay for that. it is not their problem, it is a business for them, it is you and me that should not pay for this code -----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------...
Dear Tablet8, I watched the indicator which was modified by myself for hours today and didn't see any lag as you told.
  • #13
  • May 26, 2015 5:04am May 26, 2015 5:04am
Quoting jollydragon
{quote} Dear Tablet8, I watched the indicator which was modified by myself for hours today and didn't see any lag as you told.
can you do this strategy manually correctly?
try to do it manually , it needs a lot of time to sit near chart, but try to do it at least one time
you will notice that even manually u can not do it.
i don't know how to explain, in fact the lag happens in the signal
no matter manually or automated
remember: we have two signals in your code
a signal to buy or sell (to enter position)
and a signal for TP or closing position
both of these two signals follow indicator so both go wrong because of signal lag
  • #14
  • May 26, 2015 5:09am May 26, 2015 5:09am
Quoting tablet8
{quote} can you do this strategy manually correctly? try to do it manually , it needs a lot of time to sit near chart, but try to do it at least one time you will notice that even manually u can not do it. i don't know how to explain, in fact the lag happens in the signal no matter manually or automated
No. In fact, I have been seeing that my indicator immediately changes with the price today!
According to watching today, I can confirm there is no problem for me to trade manually based on my indicator.
Even though there is a little lag, it shouldn't impact my trading as you can see my EA only refers to the signal of Bar[2] and Bar[1].
Therefore, I believe the issues in my first post above must be caused by other implicit reason I can't find so far.
  • #15
  • May 26, 2015 5:15am May 26, 2015 5:15am
Quoting jollydragon
{quote} No, I have been seeing that my indicator immediately changes with the price!
can u catch the signal manually? (immediatly) and correctly? according to your rules?
can u close the trade manually? (immediatly) and correctly? according to your rules?

(no robot, only manually)
  • #16
  • May 26, 2015 5:21am May 26, 2015 5:21am
Quoting tablet8
{quote} can u catch the signal manually? (immediatly) and correctly? according to your rules? can u close the trade manually? (immediatly) and correctly? according to your rules? (no robot, only manually)
No any problem as my previous post updated later.
  • #17
  • May 26, 2015 5:23am May 26, 2015 5:23am
Quoting jollydragon
{quote} refers to the signal of Bar[2] and Bar[1]. .
another definition of lag is immediate movement of indicator
so now
refers to the signal of Bar[2] and Bar[1]
it is so fast and immediate that u don't notice it
  • #18
  • May 26, 2015 5:28am May 26, 2015 5:28am
Quoting jollydragon
{quote} No any problem as my previous post updated later.
Ok,
I finally downloaded your indicator and robot
and going to watch it now.!
I hate indicator robots and I never watch them,

give me an example of your rules for trade with picture,
  • #19
  • May 26, 2015 5:41am May 26, 2015 5:41am
Quoting tablet8
{quote} give me an example of your rules for trade with picture,
I'm not sure what you want. Is it the screenshot in my first post?
  • #20
  • May 26, 2015 5:46am May 26, 2015 5:46am
Quoting jollydragon
{quote} I'm not sure what you want. Is it the screenshot in my first post?
when do u exactly buy?
when do u exactly sell?
when do u exactly exit?
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