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  • #621
  • Jan 11, 2025 9:20am Jan 11, 2025 9:20am
Quoting OutThere
{quote} I started another one last week. I'd waited if I knew you were going to start one. This one, just like yours is totally revamped with well selected pairs. "Hitting the ground running "style. I'm totally giving it my best...see what happens. {image}
Looking Good! - I'm more interested in this second account since I've learned more about the risk-engine. #1 is running my A+ setup and this one is next in line. More volatile but just as profitable. Actually didnt know I'd start a second right now until I saw that my earnings were so close to the yearly fee. Also made sense to get calibration out of the way to earn a full month of Feb Silver instead of dropping in mid-month. First was the 'Baby' Darwin, This is the 'Teenage' Darwin. Lets see what lessons have been learned...
  • #622
  • Edited 9:44am Jan 11, 2025 9:26am | Edited 9:44am
Quoting BlackOpz
{quote} Looking Good! - I'm more interested in this second account since I've learned more about the risk-engine. #1 is running my A+ setup and this one is next in line. More volatile but just as profitable. Actually didnt know I'd start a second right now until I saw that my earnings were so close to the yearly fee. Also made sense to get calibration out of the way to earn a full month of Feb Silver instead of dropping in mid-month. First was the 'Baby' Darwin, This is the 'Teenage' Darwin. Lets see what lessons have been learned...
Yes, I implemented a -questionable- side system that the risk engine, in my mind, is going to like and therefore is going to cough up more favorable results.

My plan for future accounts is this:
I start a sub and after calib I wait until I have a drastic dd, then I'll buy a 100K for it to keep motivated to stay with them.
I want to buy the full 5 and run it as an ongoing side hobby. It's like a garden patch you can plant veggies and sell replications of them.


I know I'm ahead a little bit but your system is much faster...and safer. You'll by pass me in no time.
Even though we are already in a race but I'll still race you.
  • #623
  • Jan 11, 2025 7:54pm Jan 11, 2025 7:54pm
Quoting Triglav
Very good trading and profit on Friday after job report.My Darwin at 276 place out of 7000.Allocation ˘$30000.68 views of my account. My Darwin is ready for investing. Minimum investment is $200.{image}
I'm confused and have a couple of questions.

1) When you are trading a live account with your own funds with Darwinex the broker does the risk engine reduce your risk the same way DarwinexZero does? The reason I ask is because you had nearly a 20% max drawdown! So I would assume you were massively overleveraged and had your risk reduced.

2) How are you eligible for investment when your profit/drawdown ration isn't at least 2.5 to 1 like what is required for DZero Gold

3.37% profit with 19.74% max drawdown. What an I missing here?
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  • #624
  • Jan 11, 2025 8:29pm Jan 11, 2025 8:29pm
Quoting Expo33
{quote} I'm confused and have a couple of questions. 1) When you are trading a live account with your own funds with Darwinex the broker does the risk engine reduce your risk the same way DarwinexZero does? The reason I ask is because you had nearly a 20% max drawdown! So I would assume you were massively overleveraged and had your risk reduced. 2) How are you eligible for investment when your profit/drawdown ration isn't at least 2.5 to 1 like what is required for DZero Gold 3.37% profit with 19.74% max drawdown. What an I missing here? {image}...
He's been on a roll since Aug.2024. The risk engine only has a 45 day to 6 month lookback period.
  • #625
  • Edited 10:47pm Jan 11, 2025 8:35pm | Edited 10:47pm
Quoting BlackOpz
{quote} He's been on a roll since Aug.2024. The risk engine only has a 45 day to 6 month lookback period.
Yeah I know the risk engine re-evlauates 45-60 days and I see he's made a bit over 11% over the last 6 months.

I'm assuming with live accounts on Darwinex that you don't need that 2.5 to 1 profit/drawdown ratio to be eligible for "Gold" level for investment or is the drawdown is only calculated over a more recent time frame?
Pride always comes before destruction.... -Proverbs 16:18
  • #626
  • Jan 12, 2025 2:35am Jan 12, 2025 2:35am
You are joking,right?
You had your investors in 2022 and it will take a while to get them back.Maybe I learned from my mistakes since than?
  • #627
  • Edited 9:10am Jan 12, 2025 4:21am | Edited 9:10am
{quote} I'm confused and have a couple of questions. 1) When you are trading a live account with your own funds with Darwinex the broker does the risk engine reduce your risk the same way DarwinexZero does? The reason I ask is because you had nearly a 20% max drawdown! So I would assume you were massively overleveraged and had your risk reduced. 2) How are you eligible for investment when your profit/drawdown ration isn't at least 2.5 to 1 like what is required for DZero Gold 3.37% profit with 19.74% max drawdown. What an I missing here?
My Darwin SIJ is eligible for inv.from 01,01,2025 when I invested $400 to have $1000 on live account. Before I had from $100 to $600. I think it make more sense to invest in somebody with a stake of $1000 ,than somebody with 6month Darwin Z and $38 to lose. Darwin with most outside investors has 14.9% drawdawn.
  • #628
  • Jan 12, 2025 1:28pm Jan 12, 2025 1:28pm
Quoting Triglav
{quote} I'm confused and have a couple of questions. 1) When you are trading a live account with your own funds with Darwinex the broker does the risk engine reduce your risk the same way DarwinexZero does? The reason I ask is because you had nearly a 20% max drawdown! So I would assume you were massively overleveraged and had your risk reduced. 2) How are you eligible for investment when your profit/drawdown ration isn't at least 2.5 to 1 like what is required for DZero Gold 3.37% profit with 19.74% max drawdown. What an I missing here? My Darwin...
Thanks for the reply but you didn't really answer the question.

From 400 to 1000? 250% gain? Then why does your track record only show 3.73%?

Also a DZEro "demo" trader actually risks $500 of sub fees before reaching Gold level with potential for investment
Pride always comes before destruction.... -Proverbs 16:18
  • #629
  • Jan 12, 2025 1:56pm Jan 12, 2025 1:56pm
Quoting Triglav
{quote} I'm confused and have a couple of questions. 1) When you are trading a live account with your own funds with Darwinex the broker does the risk engine reduce your risk the same way DarwinexZero does? The reason I ask is because you had nearly a 20% max drawdown! So I would assume you were massively overleveraged and had your risk reduced. 2) How are you eligible for investment when your profit/drawdown ration isn't at least 2.5 to 1 like what is required for DZero Gold 3.37% profit with 19.74% max drawdown. What an I missing here? My Darwin...
Hi,
I'm sorry, but I also don't uderstand, if you would not post on this thread I would be thinking this is a joke or a scamm or something...so can you please explain a bit more ? Maybe it is language or something, but I also just cannot see all of this making any sense...rules for gold (opening up for investors) are 2.5 ratio and you have 0.11 or did I understand this wrong? I am trying to say If I would have such stats I would never invest any of my time in trading. Of course maybe this will change in time and you do not have big enough sample size/stats yet?
PVSRA
  • #630
  • Edited 2:41pm Jan 12, 2025 2:21pm | Edited 2:41pm
Quoting Triglav
{quote}I think it make more sense to invest in somebody with a stake of $1000 ,than somebody with 6month Darwin Z and $38 to lose.
Trader #1) Live Darwin trader deposits $1000 of his own money and trades for one year. He sucks at trading and ends the year with a 20% drawdown and gets no seed capital or invester capital. Total loss is $200. HOWEVER, he still can recover that $200 from future trading

Trader #2) DZero "demo" trader paying subscription fees trades for one year and ends the year with a 20% drawdown and also gets no seed capital or investor capital. Total loss is $500 in subscription fees. HOWEVER, he can ONLY recover that $500 by continuing to trade, thereby risking more and more subscription fees with no guarantee of trading well enough to get any capital to earn any performance fees.

Question: Do investors know if they are investing in live traders or DZero demo traders?
Pride always comes before destruction.... -Proverbs 16:18
  • #631
  • Jan 12, 2025 2:23pm Jan 12, 2025 2:23pm
Quoting Fisher755
{quote} Hi, I'm sorry, but I also don't uderstand, if you would not post on this thread I would be thinking this is a joke or a scamm or something...so can you please explain a bit more ? Maybe it is language or something, but I also just cannot see all of this making any sense...rules for gold (opening up for investors) are 2.5 ratio and you have 0.11 or did I understand this wrong? I am trying to say If I would have such stats I would never invest any of my time in trading. Of course maybe this will change in time and you do not have big enough...
Yeah, I have the same question

I was wondering if the lookback period for drawdown is 6 months then it might make sense but I can't find that info anywhere on the website.
Pride always comes before destruction.... -Proverbs 16:18
  • #632
  • Jan 12, 2025 11:35pm Jan 12, 2025 11:35pm
Quoting Expo33
{quote} Yeah I know the risk engine re-evlauates 45-60 days and I see he's made a bit over 11% over the last 6 months. I'm assuming with live accounts on Darwinex that you don't need that 2.5 to 1 profit/drawdown ratio to be eligible for "Gold" level for investment or is the drawdown is only calculated over a more recent time frame?
From my understanding,
for investors capital, DARWIN (Darwinex) does not need to reach DarwinIA Gold. But it is required for DARWIN (DarwinexZero) to reach DarwinIA Gold.
For DarwinIA Gold, DARWIN (whether Darwinex / DarwinexZero) needs to achieve 2.5 to 1 profit / drawdown.

For example DARWIN HCI (Darwinex), 8 months record, received first investor in Sept'2024. Does not qualify for DarwinIA Gold yet.
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  • #633
  • Edited 2:25am Jan 13, 2025 2:11am | Edited 2:25am
I'm sorry, but I also don't uderstand, if you would not post on this thread I would be thinking this is a joke or a scamm or something...so can you please explain a bit more ? Maybe it is language or something, but I also just cannot see all of this making any sense...rules for gold (opening up for investors) are 2.5 ratio and you have 0.11 or did I understand this wrong? I am trying to say If I would have such stats I would never invest any of my time in trading. Of course maybe this will change in time and you do not have big enough sample size/stats yet?
I will try to explain. This Darwin I opened in 2019,traded till 2020 and than started in October 2023 again. Silver Darwins are investable,for gold Darwin you need 8 month of trading and 2.5% ratio. As of my stats, my 276 place out of 7000 speaks for itself. Please give me your Darwin name and I will invest in it, if is better placed than mine.
  • #634
  • Jan 13, 2025 3:44am Jan 13, 2025 3:44am
Quoting Triglav
I'm sorry, but I also don't uderstand, if you would not post on this thread I would be thinking this is a joke or a scamm or something...so can you please explain a bit more ? Maybe it is language or something, but I also just cannot see all of this making any sense...rules for gold (opening up for investors) are 2.5 ratio and you have 0.11 or did I understand this wrong? I am trying to say If I would have such stats I would never invest any of my time in trading. Of course maybe this will change in time and you do not have big enough sample size/stats...
Good for you, getting investors and a high position in silver, which spoke for itself. TBH, your 3.44% for 2024 didn't even cover inflation, so maybe in the future.

We all are just checking how one would get gold without 2.5 ratio, since most of us trade Darwinex zero. As Sheyan mentioned above and as per the website, Darwinex doesn't necessarily need gold to attract investors.
  • #635
  • Jan 13, 2025 4:11am Jan 13, 2025 4:11am
Only from this month I have $1000 on my live account to be able to participate in Darwinia silver.So follow me now. I am going for $30000 to $50000 allocation.
  • #636
  • Jan 13, 2025 5:07am Jan 13, 2025 5:07am
Quoting Triglav
Only from this month I have $1000 on my live account to be able to participate in Darwinia silver.So follow me now. I am going for $30000 to $50000 allocation.
3.44% ain't gonna cut it. You have to at least beat the S&P average of about 10% to really generate interest (at least thats MY goal). Trading is supposed to be the 'higher-risk' part of your portfolio. You have to beat the 'safe' investments or why bother with exposing your capital to high-risk for pennies? Fine for personal capital but a stretch for investment.
  • #637
  • Edited 9:34am Jan 13, 2025 5:44am | Edited 9:34am
If I make at least 1.5% a month on my account I could have 3 allocations of $30000 each and make $102 a month.That,s 10% a month on capital of $1000.Plus $15 from account every month.
  • #638
  • Edited 4:43pm Jan 13, 2025 3:35pm | Edited 4:43pm
I'm assuming everyone gets the DZero Monday trader highlight email. Every time I open it I'm expecting to be blown away but I end up scratching my head

So here is VMAR crushing the last 6 months to get his first 30K allocation after 21 months of trading!!! Ok, I admire his commitment but why in the world would anyone spend over $800 to get to this point. Sure, he could recover his investment in the next 3-6 months if he keeps making 2-3% per month but the ultimate goal of attaining Gold status to secure 3rd party capital seems like a pipe dream at this point. If he had started over in July of 2024 he would be net positive on his investment and sitting pretty for Gold status

With a drawdown of over 26% this guy needs to earn 70% profit going forward just to reach Gold status. Makes no sense to me.

It does makes sense that Darwinex would highlight this guy just from a marketing standpoint. "Hang in there traders. You can do it just like VMAR. Just because your chance of ever getting investor capital at this point is 0.00001% there's no need to stop paying those sub fees!!"

What am I missing here?
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  • #639
  • Jan 13, 2025 3:46pm Jan 13, 2025 3:46pm
Quoting Expo33
I'm assuming everyone gets the DZero Monday trader highlight email. Every time I open it I'm expecting to be blown away but I end up scratching my head So here is VMAR crushing the last 6 months to get his first 30K allocation after 21 months of trading!!! Ok, I admire his commitment but why in the world would anyone spend over $800 to get to this point. Sure, he could recover his investment in the next 3-6 months if he keeps making 2-3% per month but the ultimate goal of attaining Gold status to secure 3rd party capital seems like a pipe dream...
Yes, I hit 17% last month trading way bigger than what I was doing....got impatient, trying to get a bigger payout on my 90K.
Started over last Monday.
Sad becuase I truly had it figured out, clipping along 2-2.5% per month.
Since they pay quarterly and I wasn't due until Feb, it's like I'm going to miss a cycle, no biggier in the big picture I guess.
My November payment covered sub fees plus a bit of profit up to that point.
I'm going nuts on the props this year, so should be able to trade reasonably on the Darwin.
  • #640
  • Edited 6:33pm Jan 13, 2025 3:50pm | Edited 6:33pm
Quoting Expo33
Just because your chance of ever getting investor capital at this point is 0.00001% there's no need to stop paying those sub fees!!" What am I missing here? {image} {image}
WOW! That Darwin is a Joke. Headscratcher for me too. I would have reset at 12% to 15%. Looks like he took recovering the account personal. BIG Mistake - Flush and start over.
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