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  • First Post: Dec 10, 2006 2:33pm Dec 10, 2006 2:33pm
  •  NewstraderFX
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Whenever possible, I try to identify scenarios and how I might trade in them. After Trichet's press conference, I wrote that he had pushed the Euro rally to the edge of the cliff by lowering the estimates for inflation in 2007, all that was needed to go over that cliff was another push and that the NFP might be the force to do just that. Well, that scenario has come about. The strong reading on the NFP, coupled with the Septemebr and October revisions that added an additional 42K jobs to the period (making the 3 month average about 135K/month), was enough to push the Euro over the edge that Trichet pushed it to.

As of now, the two things that were on the table driving the Euro higher was the likelyhood of an early 2007 ECB rate increase coupled with a March Fed rate cut. Those options are presently off the table.

The only question in my mind is the steepness of the descent. A straight vertical drop or a more gently sloped fall. My opinion? Steep and fast. Why? The desire of traders to maximise end of the year profits. But you know what? Steep or gentle it doesn't really matter, because one way or another, the Euro will fall as long as the present fundamentals hold. Have a look at the hourly charts to see how it might go:

On the way up, there was some conjestion around 3250, then around 3210, then again around 3080. Below that, it conjested around 2950.

Any longer term trend depends on continued fundamentals, or the lack of new, different fundamentals, to drive it thru technical areas of support and resistance. So the fundamentals i've outlined above have to remain in order for the trend to continue.

Will they? Nothing's on the calender for the Eurozone or US for Monday. I would look at the open on Sunday to see where things are. I think the Euro will finish Monday lower then where it opens on Sunday. Tuesday there's German ZEW and US Trade balance, followed by the Fed statement. A nice safe trade is to exit your position before those announcements. I don't think they'll do all that much besides cause some erratic movement because traders will be waiting for the Fed statement. So take some profit before those announcements and let the Fed statement get released. We'll check the statement and market reaction, then go from there.
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  • Dec 10, 2006 3:34pm Dec 10, 2006 3:34pm
  •  notouch
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I agree that the EURO rally is dead but I disagree with what you said about Trichet. He said the ECB would monitor "very closely" all price developments which is his way of announcing rates will probably go up in February. On the fundamental side the US economy will continue to perform better than the Eurozone economy and the market can't keep ignoring good news but more importantly every technical signal is screaming that EUR/USD has just started a major reversal.
 
 
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  • Dec 10, 2006 4:57pm Dec 10, 2006 4:57pm
  •  NewstraderFX
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I agree that the EURO rally is dead but I disagree with what you said about Trichet. He said the ECB would monitor "very closely" all price developments which is his way of announcing rates will probably go up in February. On the fundamental side the US economy will continue to perform better than the Eurozone economy and the market can't keep ignoring good news but more importantly every technical signal is screaming that EUR/USD has just started a major reversal.
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Gotta disagree there NT-It's Trichet's job to monitor things closely, so that's not really saying anything. The key thing here is that the ECB has lowered it's inflation forcasts for 2007-that's huge.

Care to share some of those technical indicators?
 
 
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  • Dec 10, 2006 5:09pm Dec 10, 2006 5:09pm
  •  Trader1580
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Technically speaking, the hour chart on the EUR does look like a top, it has been for the recents days and now I see some downward movement.

Fundamentally speaking, yes, the US data has been good recently, and Trichet did hint cutting forecasts in 07. That is huge right there, the last rate increase may very well be the last run for the EUR until it reaches level that are uncomfortable.

One interesting thing is that the COT report for Dec.5 (released Dec. 8th) shows that there are HUGE commercial positions favoring the short side. (go see it for yourself at http://www.cftc.gov/dea/futures/deacmelf.htm)
 
 
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  • Dec 10, 2006 5:18pm Dec 10, 2006 5:18pm
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Technically speaking, the hour chart on the EUR does look like a top, it has been for the recents days and now I see some downward movement.

Fundamentally speaking, yes, the US data has been good recently, and Trichet did hint cutting forecasts in 07. That is huge right there, the last rate increase may very well be the last run for the EUR until it reaches level that are uncomfortable.

One interesting thing is that the COT report for Dec.5 (released Dec. 8th) shows that there are HUGE commercial positions favoring the short side. (go see it for yourself at http://www.cftc.gov/dea/futures/deacmelf.htm)
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http://bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=2...SFU&refer=home
 
 
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Technically speaking, the hour chart on the EUR does look like a top, it has been for the recents days and now I see some downward movement.

Fundamentally speaking, yes, the US data has been good recently, and Trichet did hint cutting forecasts in 07. That is huge right there, the last rate increase may very well be the last run for the EUR until it reaches level that are uncomfortable.

One interesting thing is that the COT report for Dec.5 (released Dec. 8th) shows that there are HUGE commercial positions favoring the short side. (go see it for yourself at http://www.cftc.gov/dea/futures/deacmelf.htm)
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So this means that alot of people are short on the EUR and long on the dollar? Is that what the numbers telling you?
 
 
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  • Dec 10, 2006 5:25pm Dec 10, 2006 5:25pm
  •  Trader1580
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So

So this means that alot of people are short on the EUR and long on the dollar? Is that what the numbers telling you?
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see, that's where the interesting part comes. The COT report has mainly 2 sections (the third is non-reportable-positions small enough for us to not really care) the sections are non-commercial and commercial. Non-commercials are the big boys, the hedge fund managers, institutions, etc... while the commercial are the ones that already own it. (please correct me if my understanding is wrong).

We tend to pay attention to the non-commercials as they are the "smart money". With that in mind, the Dec.5th report shows that there are 115,201 long versus only 16,936 short. Moreover, if you look at the change from Nov.28, there were additional 7,829 long and -842 short.

they are favoring the EUR.
 
 
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  • Dec 10, 2006 5:26pm Dec 10, 2006 5:26pm
  •  notouch
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You have to pay attention to Trichet's words over the past year. Whenever he uses the phrase "continue to monitor very closesly all price developments" it means interest rates rise in 2 months time. "Vigilance" of course means interest rates will rise next month.

Just about every technical indicator is screaming sell e.g. RSI has broken below 70 on the daily chart.
 
 
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  • Dec 10, 2006 5:27pm Dec 10, 2006 5:27pm
  •  Trader1580
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You have to pay attention to Trichet's words over the past year. Whenever he uses the phrase "continue to monitor very closesly all price developments" it means interest rates rise in 2 months time. "Vigilance" of course means interest rates will rise next month.

Just about every technical indicator is screaming sell e.g. RSI has broken below 70 on the daily chart.
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EUR opened with a gap down to about 3178....so you think Trichet will raise rate again after he just did?
 
 
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  • Dec 10, 2006 5:29pm Dec 10, 2006 5:29pm
  •  notouch
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Trader1580 that isn't the distinction between commercials and non-commercials. Commercials have a commercial reason for wanting to own a financial instrument e.g. they are exporters wanting to hedge their risk. Non-commercials hold the financial instrument for purely speculative reasons.
 
 
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  • Dec 10, 2006 5:31pm Dec 10, 2006 5:31pm
  •  notouch
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EUR opened with a gap down to about 3178....so you think Trichet will raise rate again after he just did?
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He is saying they will go up in February. That's the current thinking of the ECB.
 
 
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  • Dec 10, 2006 5:45pm Dec 10, 2006 5:45pm
  •  Trader1580
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He is saying they will go up in February. That's the current thinking of the ECB.
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yeah that's what I meant. NT, yes, I was trying to convey what you just did, and by that factor, for short term price movements say...a week, we should pay attention to the non-commercial report no? In that case, there are way more long contracts than short. In fact, over the past 2 week, there was a rise in long contracts in the EUR.

hmm...
 
 
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  • Dec 10, 2006 5:51pm Dec 10, 2006 5:51pm
  •  notouch
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With so many speculators holding Euro long positions you're right you would expect them to unwind their positions which is another reason to be short EUR/USD.
 
 
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  • Dec 10, 2006 6:59pm Dec 10, 2006 6:59pm
  •  Trader1580
  • | Joined Dec 2006 | Status: Trader | 152 Posts
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With so many speculators holding Euro long positions you're right you would expect them to unwind their positions which is another reason to be short EUR/USD.
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yes that is the theory behind sentiment analysis, however, although everything fundamentally and technically lines up, the question here is really....."when"
 
 
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  • Dec 10, 2006 7:16pm Dec 10, 2006 7:16pm
  •  pasha_02
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yes that is the theory behind sentiment analysis, however, although everything fundamentally and technically lines up, the question here is really....."when"
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On Tuesday, when the fed lets us know that they are raising rates.
 
 
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  • Dec 10, 2006 7:19pm Dec 10, 2006 7:19pm
  •  Trader1580
  • | Joined Dec 2006 | Status: Trader | 152 Posts
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On Tuesday, when the fed lets us know that they are raising rates.
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everyone on the street expects the Fed to hold it steady, what is your foresight behind your conjecture of them raising rates?
 
 
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  • Dec 10, 2006 7:33pm Dec 10, 2006 7:33pm
  •  pasha_02
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This may sound a bit stupid, but you had requested my reasoning, so here goes:

During the last couple of weeks, when the dollar was sinking faster than the Titanic, Bernanke and several other Fed officials came out and said that they were still considerably worried about the risk of upside inflation, more so than the risk of slower economic growth. If you were following the dollar during that speech by Bernanke for the National Italian something Association, the dollar and the markets in general, basically ignored Bernanke, because they thought Bernanke was just talking up the dollar.

I disagree that Bernanke was just talking up the dollar. Go to Bloomberg.com and there is a video of an economist, Malpaas of Bear Stearns, who describes the upward inflationary risks of the economy.

I also think that the ISM # that came out under 50 is also considerably overvalued. The manufacturing industry has been in decline for 50 years as the US economy transitions into a service economy.

Basically, the markets were behaving like a redheaded stepchild that needs a slap. Bernanke will provide that slap come Tuesday.
 
 
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  • Dec 10, 2006 8:41pm Dec 10, 2006 8:41pm
  •  Trader1580
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This may sound a bit stupid, but you had requested my reasoning, so here goes:

During the last couple of weeks, when the dollar was sinking faster than the Titanic, Bernanke and several other Fed officials came out and said that they were still considerably worried about the risk of upside inflation, more so than the risk of slower economic growth. If you were following the dollar during that speech by Bernanke for the National Italian something Association, the dollar and the markets in general, basically ignored Bernanke, because they thought Bernanke was just talking up the dollar.

I disagree that Bernanke was just talking up the dollar. Go to Bloomberg.com and there is a video of an economist, Malpaas of Bear Stearns, who describes the upward inflationary risks of the economy.

I also think that the ISM # that came out under 50 is also considerably overvalued. The manufacturing industry has been in decline for 50 years as the US economy transitions into a service economy.

Basically, the markets were behaving like a redheaded stepchild that needs a slap. Bernanke will provide that slap come Tuesday.
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with the recent data, can you explain the statement "worried about the risk of upside inflation"? with numbers that are bad as it is, what upside inflation is there?
 
 
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  • Dec 10, 2006 9:07pm Dec 10, 2006 9:07pm
  •  notouch
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The way things are going so far tonight it's all going to happen very quickly...
 
 
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  • Dec 10, 2006 9:11pm Dec 10, 2006 9:11pm
  •  Trader1580
  • | Joined Dec 2006 | Status: Trader | 152 Posts
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The way things are going so far tonight it's all going to happen very quickly...
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i was just about to say...strong down trend here...

by the way, when Trichet gave the conference, why is everyone selling the EUR when he just raised rates?
 
 
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