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  • #61
  • Jun 7, 2017 11:38am Jun 7, 2017 11:38am
Quoting Darkstar
How long do you expect that "you can't trade" trope to work exactly? You know you can buy a t bond and earn trading profits right? And doesn't the very fact that I'm still here defeat the logic of your argument axiomatically? u trading? Sharing insight? Calling trades? Cuz I look through your posts and see...nothing. It's all negativity and strife. No content. And certainly no value.
I expect the "you can't trade" trope to continue working until you either A) you provide proof that you are now a credible trader or B) stop trying to convince people that you are. The proof needed has already been discussed in prior conversations and as duly noted would in fact enhance your business model. The very fact that you are still here actually proves the opposite, that is that you are a salesman, not a trader but we already know that. Including this post I have made 6 posts this year vs your 34 I guess thats the difference between someone who trades and someone who sells.

Quoting Darkstar
Not with your BS "show me your track record" garbage. Everyone already knows those services sell the order flow to investment banks for exploitation. Rip up the logic of the methodology I'm teaching or bugger off to some other thread.
Yup I thought you would say that because you don't have a track record. Since many trading results are already published online, for example the live trader feed that FF hosts why would anyone need to sell order flow? Not going to rip up your methodology as even though I could, I don't need to and can find far better ways of spending my time. Oh and as you failed to notice this is my thread :-) . Remember you stopped me and others posting in your thread as you did not agree with us and were also unable to provide any other evidence to support your own claims.
  • #62
  • Jun 7, 2017 11:41am Jun 7, 2017 11:41am
Quoting Darkstar
{quote} Track record is available. My point was, I'm not even going to entertain the thought of connecting my account to some chump retail service. Can you furnish a QIB letter?
If your track record is available let us see it, then I promise to remove all posts in which I have made you out to be a charlatan and will even go so far as to make a full apology on here for all to see.
  • #63
  • Jun 7, 2017 12:34pm Jun 7, 2017 12:34pm
Quoting redbaron1981
Since many trading results are already published online, for example the live trader feed that FF hosts why would anyone need to sell order flow?
Isn't it curious that there are so few profitable traders here? Why is that? Hmmm....

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  • #64
  • Jun 7, 2017 12:57pm Jun 7, 2017 12:57pm
Quoting Darkstar
{quote} Isn't it curious that there are so few profitable traders here? Why is that? Hmmm.... {image}
Most probably because they are buying mentor/educational services from a non trader such as yourself.
  • #65
  • Jun 7, 2017 1:13pm Jun 7, 2017 1:13pm
Always possible.

It's really interesting how the troll contingent here is always so fixated on using one of the 3 free forex specific trade log services to validate a traders ability though. It's almost like you guys either can't acknowledge that other markets exist or that a "real trader" might want to use a "real solution" for financial auditing and reporting. One might be tempted to assume you're getting some sort of kickback. Maybe from the investment banks that are buying that trade log info to hunt retailer flow in aggregate?

It really is curious.
  • #66
  • Jun 7, 2017 1:20pm Jun 7, 2017 1:20pm
I like to troll noobs/suckers.
So much fun.

Especially if they pretend to be a pro, teacher or guru.
  • #67
  • Jun 7, 2017 1:30pm Jun 7, 2017 1:30pm
Quoting Darkstar
Always possible. It's really interesting how the troll contingent here is always so fixated on using one of the 3 free forex specific trade log services to validate a traders ability though.
I don't think your classing me as a troll, as all I am trying to do is prevent others from falling into the same trap as I did, by paying for your services. As I have mentioned before to validate your own ability, I would like to see a 1-2 year statement audited by a reputable source however, since you have never been able to provide this you are still in charlatan status.

Quoting Darkstar
It's almost like you guys either can't acknowledge that other markets exist or that a "real trader" might want to use a "real solution" for financial auditing and reporting.
To clarify Forex is where I make the least trades. Since you falsely class yourself as a "real trader" and might just be using a "real solution" for auditing lets see it, so I can remove you from charlatan status?

Quoting Darkstar
One might be tempted to assume you're getting some sort of kickback. Maybe from the investment banks that are buying that trade log info to hunt retailer flow in aggregate? It really is curious.
Lol you busted me... The investment banks pay me millions for pushing third party trade explorers. Maybe my next venture should be to start a mentor/education service like yours :-)...
  • #68
  • Jun 7, 2017 1:41pm Jun 7, 2017 1:41pm
Quoting redbaron1981
As I have mentioned before to validate your own ability, I would like to see a 1-2 year statement audited by a reputable source however, since you have never been able to provide this you are still in charlatan status.
I have a 6 year public track record. Audited by a reputable accounting firm. Because I'm not a retail chump with an FXCM account. I counterparty with Primes and trade OPM, which is why I asked you for a QIB letter. Which you wouldn't even know how to begin delivering, because you are retail.

As such, I really couldn't care less who is in your charlatan status. Aside from the 300 retailers you have following you here on FF, nobody cares about you. You are nobody.
  • #69
  • Jun 7, 2017 2:19pm Jun 7, 2017 2:19pm
Quoting Darkstar
{quote} I have a 6 year public track record. Audited by a reputable accounting firm. Because I'm not a retail chump with an FXCM account. I counterparty with Primes and trade OPM, which is why I asked you for a QIB letter. Which you wouldn't even know how to begin delivering, because you are retail. As such, I really couldn't care less who is in your charlatan status. Aside from the 300 retailers you have following you here on FF, nobody cares about you. You are nobody.
If you have it then send it to me or post it here, simple as that and as I posted earlier I will remove all posts and openly apologise? Whilst you are sending or posting your records you can also show us your own QIB letter. For your information I also trade OPM.

Thats right I am nobody. But this nobody is doing a good job at warning others before falling fowl to your snake oil salesman tactics so please hurry up send me the above and then we can clear this all up.
  • #70
  • Jun 7, 2017 2:38pm Jun 7, 2017 2:38pm
Haheh. Nice.

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Quoting redbaron1981
If you have it then send it to me or post it here, simple as that and as I posted earlier I will remove all posts and openly apologise? Whilst you are sending or posting your records you can also show us your own QIB letter.
I'm super glad you asked for that because I've spent the last year building an automated system designed to move people from the question you just asked right on through to the answers you're looking for. You can start that process right here: https://orderflowtrading.com

2)
Quoting redbaron1981
For your information I also trade OPM.
IS that redbarron1981 admitting that he provides a service? For profit? OOOOOOOOMG gather the pitchforks! A new charlatan rises!

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Quoting redbaron1981
But this nobody is doing a good job at warning others before falling fowl to your snake oil salesman tactics so please hurry up send me the above and then we can clear this all up.
I'm not sure that's true. Orders still flow. Maybe fewer from FF, but you guys are all hung up on FX anyway.

Like I said, you can start at the link above and get everything you're looking for. Let me know if I can further assist.
  • #71
  • Jun 7, 2017 2:50pm Jun 7, 2017 2:50pm
Quoting Darkstar
Haheh. Nice. 1) {quote} I'm super glad you asked for that because I've spent the last year building an automated system designed to move people from the question you just asked right on through to the answers you're looking for. You can start that process right here: https://orderflowtrading.com 2) {quote} IS that redbarron1981 admitting that he provides a service? For profit? OOOOOOOOMG gather the pitchforks! A new charlatan rises! 3) {quote} I'm not sure that's true. Orders still flow. Maybe fewer from...
Hehe once again avoiding my questions no trading record = charlatan

Do I provide a service? No not really its my job. No need to gather pitchforks as I, unlike you are not selling any services or offering teaching etc.

As I already explained I am not hung up on forex but your obviously not paying attention the same as when you ignore my claims to show a statement.
  • #72
  • Jun 7, 2017 3:17pm Jun 7, 2017 3:17pm
Quoting redbaron1981
Do I provide a service? No not really its my job. No need to gather pitchforks as I, unlike you are not selling any services or offering teaching etc.
What? How compartmentalized is your world view? Please explain the difference between providing a service and doing your job. Aren't you doing work and receiving money in both cases?

Thats what I find so weird about your arguments. On one hand you're telling me I can't trade unless I prove it via the specific tool or service you're promoting, On the other you're compartmentalizing what "success" "trade" and "track record" mean to the point of irrelevance.

Have I not run a full time trading operation for the last 6 years? Did I not employ a dozen traders to work on the news service? How do you think all those people and I eat for all this time? Have you seen the lifestyle I lead? How much more proof do you need?

I think you're just jealous. I've lived the traders life that you so desperate wanted for many years now and you haven't been able to figure out how.

My advice is to stop being such a piker and pony up the entrance fee. I'll be happy to help, but you gotta make it worth my time.

And stop being so negative. People don't like negative people. They are obnoxious.
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Give it some thought.
  • #73
  • Jun 7, 2017 3:38pm Jun 7, 2017 3:38pm
Quoting Darkstar
{quote} What? How compartmentalized is your world view? Please explain the difference between providing a service and doing your job. Aren't you doing work and receiving money in both cases?
Difference is I am not selling a service like you are. Lets put it like this if you wanted to learn how to drive you hire and instructor. That instructor will know A) how to drive and B) have experience that can be applied on top of lessons, to provide a further understanding of how to drive a car. Now you on the other other hand are not a trader and also fail to show any thing close to a verified trading record to prove experience.

Quoting Darkstar
{quote}Thats what I find so weird about your arguments. On one hand you're telling me I can't trade unless I prove it via the specific tool or service you're promoting, On the other you're compartmentalizing what "success" "trade" and "track record" mean to the point of irrelevance.
Please show me the posts where I am promoting a specific service? This is complete 100% bs.

Quoting Darkstar
{quote}Have I not run a full time trading operation for the last 6 years? Did I not employ a dozen traders to work on the news service? How do you think all those people and I eat for all this time? Have you seen the lifestyle I lead? How much more proof do you need?
Maybe you did trading mentors can make a lot of revenue from selling trading courses. Producing your track record will prove this.

Quoting Darkstar
{quote}I think you're just jealous. I've lived the traders life that you so desperate wanted for many years now and you haven't been able to figure out how.
My advice is to stop being such a piker and pony up the entrance fee. I'll be happy to help, but you gotta make it worth my time.
And stop being so negative. People don't like negative people. They are obnoxious.
Once again you try to make me look the bad guy. Nice try how about just providing the evidence? Oh thats right you don't have any lol.

Lets try this one last time. Demostar please provide an statement audited by a reputable source? Until you produce this you are a non trader ripping people off with your false beliefs about how the markets operate. You can bitch all you want in your posts, with your usual tu quoque responses but your charlatan status will remain until your produce evidence.

Either put up or shut up!!
  • #74
  • Jun 7, 2017 4:40pm Jun 7, 2017 4:40pm
Hilarious!
  • #75
  • Jun 7, 2017 6:28pm Jun 7, 2017 6:28pm
Quoting redbaron1981
Difference is I am not selling a service like you are.
So you say. You continue to push hard for me to use a trade log service. Is that your pen?

Quoting redbaron1981
Lets put it like this if you wanted to learn how to drive you hire and instructor. That instructor will know A) how to drive and B) have experience that can be applied on top of lessons, to provide a further understanding of how to drive a car.
Agreed. But see if we extend your analogy, you're not asking me to prove I can drive. Cuz I've been sitting in the car puttering around town right in front of you for the last 6 years and you can't dispute that bit. Instead, what you want is a driving instructor to have a regular, commercial, and class a racing license, and have put together a racing team, complete with sponsorship and a trophy room before he can credibly claim he is a driver. Or capable of showing someone how to drive around a parking lot.

Which is retarded.

You just want to argue for arguments sake and not many people know how to beat you when you use this one. So you play it hard.. every single time...

Quoting redbaron1981
Please show me the posts where I am promoting a specific service? This is complete 100% bs.
Post 31 of this thread: "Does he still use the principles? I have no idea. Hes smart enough not to have a trade explorer either."

Quoting redbaron1981
Maybe you did trading mentors can make a lot of revenue from selling trading courses. Producing your track record will prove this.
Exactly the point I was trying to make above; you compartmentalize like a crazy person.

Do you honestly think ANYONE on this forum cares whether they make a 6 figure income selling information or earning risk premia from a forex account?

Really?

People are here looking for the means to live a better life. Thats it.

Somewhere along the way someone sold them on the belief that they could deposit money in a brokerage account and click buttons to make it happen.

Now here I am, sitting in my crib all day, clicking buttons and earning fat stacks for myself in the process. I trade my accounts using the knowledge I've accumulated over the years and despite NEVER having to do a damn thing I don't feel like doing, I end every month with more cash than I started.

I'm open about how it's done. I'll even hold your hand and integrate you into my ever expanding system for a price, but thats not good enough for redbarron1981 & co. For them, money is only green when it comes from pocketing ticks on USD/JPY.

Do you appreciate how ridiculous you seem in that context?

Quoting redbaron1981
Once again you try to make me look the bad guy.
Because you ARE the bad guy. I don't roll up at your office telling people you work with that you suck as a diver because you haven't smashed the free diving record. You do, because you're a hateful angry person and you like hurting people. I really don't understand what motivates you to do such things, but I guess thats just who you are. vOv

Quoting redbaron1981
Nice try how about just providing the evidence? Oh thats right you don't have any lol. Lets try this one last time. Demostar please provide an statement audited by a reputable source? Until you produce this you are a non trader ripping people off with your false beliefs about how the markets operate. You can bitch all you want in your posts, with your usual tu quoque responses but your charlatan status will remain until your produce evidence. Either put up or shut up!!
Blah blah blah.. do you remember your claim at the beginning of this thread about buying one of my products for $2800?

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Unfortunately to find out the quality of his products cost me $2800

That was a trade. A very lucrative one. One that you freely admit you lost to me. Please explain to your adoring fans why that isn't evidence of my trading ability. And why anyone should listen to you when I'm clearly the one who is a better trader in that regard?

Because what are we talking about here? Do I need to turn it into an EA? Does it need an app? Is the money it makes not real because you can't claim it as carried interest?

I'd love to hear you define the concept of profitable trading.
  • #76
  • Jun 8, 2017 12:40am Jun 8, 2017 12:40am
Quoting Darkstar
{quote} So you say. You continue to push hard for me to use a trade log service. Is that your pen? {quote} Agreed. But see if we extend your analogy, you're not asking me to prove I can drive. Cuz I've been sitting in the car puttering around town right in front of you for the last 6 years and you can't dispute that bit. Instead, what you want is a driving instructor to have a regular, commercial, and class a racing license, and have put together a racing team, complete with sponsorship and a trophy room before he can credibly claim he is a driver....
I am not going to respond to all your quotes above because to be perfectly honest they are petty and an attempt to detract from the main subject.

You have done a grand job all by yourself by becoming hostile when asked meaningful questions. The aim of this thread was to warn others about your business model and from the way you turn aggressive when asked probing questions, others should see that you are by no means genuine.

The best thing you can do now is withdraw from posting and making yourself look worse. All this could have been stopped if you had of produced a trading record and your hostility when asked for one shows that you do not have this.
  • #77
  • Jun 8, 2017 6:28am Jun 8, 2017 6:28am
Quoting redbaron1981
I am not going to respond to all your quotes above because to be perfectly honest they are petty and an attempt to detract from the main subject.
Well I'm sorry you feel that way friend, but the title of this thread is orderflowtrading.com - the truth behind Darkstar's latest offer, which are all MY branded products and since I am in 100% control of that narrative, because I literally own them, I fear I need to inform you that it is now impossible to shift the subject to anything else.

Quoting redbaron1981
You have done a grand job all by yourself by becoming hostile when asked meaningful questions.
Hostile?

I can assure you there is no emotional content to my words beyond what you assign them. They are merely words on a screen.

What you are feeling is called guilt and you're trying to rationalize it as somehow my fault.

But even if I was, after 3 pages of assertions that I'm a fraud, karma dictates you deserve a bit of backhand.

Quoting redbaron1981
The aim of this thread was to warn others about your business model and from the way you turn aggressive when asked probing questions, others should see that you are by no means genuine. The best thing you can do now is withdraw from posting and making yourself look worse. All this could have been stopped if you had of produced a trading record and your hostility when asked for one shows that you do not have this.
Right. Classic pen selling. The track record - which redbaron says is required - is only valid if it conforms to these arbitrary criteria that redbaron defines - which just so happen to make the product redbaron is promoting a perfect solution. With the added benefit of redbaron enjoying the claim that "he's just a nice guy helping out" because the payment he receives is indirect and therefore invisible.

You should switch to mutual funds bro. I guarantee it's a more lucrative line.

On day one you learn the 3 laws:

a) Past performance is not indicative of future results.
b) Past performance is not indicative of future results.
c) Past performance is not indicative of future results.

It's not.. and never will be. Because of a very simple concept called duration. You should look it up.

I'm not signing up for your log service, or any other because unlike you I am an order flow trader, and while you may believe it purely a marketing term, I can assure you it is not.

Order Flow Trading is the mechanism through which Billions are earned and managed.

Order Flow is valuable and the people I teach eventually come to understand that the world is full of people like you who seek to acquire it as cheaply as possible. Most are not above lying, cheating, and disparaging others in an attempt to get it free.

I don't need your validation friend. I don't care what you say about me or my products because I personally know there is more value on offer in the $1 overview than exists in the entire 6 million posts of this forum.

And that is a fact you can verify for yourself here: https://orderflowtrading.com

Trade well. It's going to be a busy day.
  • #78
  • Jun 8, 2017 7:41am Jun 8, 2017 7:41am
ds, we all know you suck, so go back to your IB paper account and keep dreaming about making real money.
And take your sh*itty website with you.
  • #79
  • Aug 16, 2017 1:21pm Aug 16, 2017 1:21pm
I still receive e-mails from Carmen (aka "Daemon Goldsmith") peddling his bs. I have gmail send them directly to the spam folder where they belong. Just for fun, I did open one and clicked on the link - guess what happened? It went directly to PayPal - not his crappy webshite, but PayPal. Wow, you really try to hustle, huh William?
  • #80
  • Sep 3, 2017 12:18pm Sep 3, 2017 12:18pm
"Order Flow Trading is the mechanism through which Billions are earned and managed."

Hilarious. Now William Carmen is talking about billions, not just paltry millions. Still no evidence that he's ever earned a cent from trading - and he still gets defensive when someone like RedBaron simply asks for proof. Oh, I know... you're just too, too busy counter-partying to Goldman and Deutsche to provide any proof of your claims. Yeah, right .... and I'm a special adviser to the President, the Queen of England, and the Emperor of Japan. But I'm too busy to prove it... LOL ROTF LMAO!!

I give RedBaron credit - he tried to get this con artist to prove his claims - and showed all of us that Carmen is a fraud. DS can't show us his QIB letter, he certainly can't show us a statement from his "certified accounting firm". Just all talk, no proof. Exactly what I'd expect from a hustler/charlatan. Oh btw, I got another spam email today from Carmen - boy, DS, your new webshite is even crappier than before - what happened? Can't AFFORD a better web designer? Maybe you can ask your buddies at Goldman Sachs to help you out, seeing how you're such good friends with them and all.
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