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  • #8,241
  • May 15, 2017 11:43am May 15, 2017 11:43am
Quoting piptakers
{quote} PipSharer, Yes. Some modified by me and some written by me. Yes. The first one is in mind, i.e; using ASC and MID for intra day purpose but time is the concern. Gimme a couple of days and I will do it. Can you explain in details the second one? I am unable to digest it completely. Regards piptakers

The concept is applying price to the outer ring of an ephemeris. It's something done in the Wave59 ephemeris.

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What he's asking is to be able to take those price aspects and plot them on the chart. I wrote a script in Wave59 to do it but haven't done so with mt4. The horizontal lines are price levels that correspond to various planetary aspects.

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  • #8,242
  • May 15, 2017 11:16pm May 15, 2017 11:16pm
Tues 00:15 EDT update... similarity and Q spectrum
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  • #8,243
  • May 16, 2017 3:15am May 16, 2017 3:15am
Quoting paulselvan
{quote} Hi Here is modified astro_swiss.mq4 that will work with others indis , like AstroIndicator4 {image} Note : If you include it in your own pg , set in remarks //#property strict {file}
Many thanks for your reply paul.
I think I remember now.
I got 2 warnings and 1 error when I compiled astro_swiss. BUt I think thats because its calling codes from other indicators etc.
I can view and use AstroIndicator4 etc no problem. So I assume there's now nothing wrong with astro_swiss.
Thanks again.
  • #8,244
  • May 16, 2017 3:24am May 16, 2017 3:24am
Quoting piptakers
{quote} PipSharer, Yes. Some modified by me and some written by me. Yes. The first one is in mind, i.e; using ASC and MID for intra day purpose but time is the concern. Gimme a couple of days and I will do it. Can you explain in details the second one? I am unable to digest it completely. Regards piptakers

Well many thanks for your good work on the inds, piptakers!

Re the 1st concept, also the Descendant could be used as a timer too. I think we already have South Node.

Re the 2nd concept, yes JR97 is correct that his Wave59 code is one way of doing it.

If you're not familiar with it. Here's the concept:-

1)OK the idea is that we have all the planets, and also the midheaven going in cycles around an ephemeris.
Whether that is a geocentric or a heliocentric one.

2)By the same token, if we look at a major move in planets, we can see that there seems to be a regular cycle.
For instance 24 Dollars being the range in a XYZStock over 12 months. So the Earth travelling around the sun is 360 degrees of the ephemeris. Likewise, we can say that XYZStock travels 24 Dollars over 12 months.

3)Now, if we say that the 24 dollars is a full cycle of XYZStock, we could also say that XYZSstock has travelled 360 degrees over that full cycle. And we can mark that on an ephemeris. At the start, we mark price at 0 degrees. When it has risen by 24 Dollars, it has moved 360 degrees around the Ephemeris. If it rises 48 Dollars, then it has moved 720 degrees around the ephemeris ie two revolutions. Ofcourse XYZStock will fluctuate in stock, so its position on the ephemeris will move back and forth.
Likewise if the stock moves 2.4 Dollars, it will move 1/10th of 360 degrees on the Ephemeris. Ofcourse XYStock won't travel exactly 24 Dollars every year. 24 Dollars over 12 months is simply an approximation of the overall rate of change of that stock. Its simply how we compute cycles and partly completely cycles to time our trades.

If this isn't clear, I'll explain in more depth/provide some links.

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  • #8,245
  • Edited 6:34am May 16, 2017 3:34am | Edited 6:34am
Quoting JR97
{quote} The concept is applying price to the outer ring of an ephemeris. It's something done in the Wave59 ephemeris. {image} What he's asking is to be able to take those price aspects and plot them on the chart. I wrote a script in Wave59 to do it but haven't done so with mt4. The horizontal lines are price levels that correspond to various planetary aspects. {image}
Correct JR97.
As I see it, there are numerous ways of showing things.
1)One way is to have a start ephemeris scale (showing object positions at the start time) and a progressed ephemeris scale on the outside ie the current time. Aspects can be drawn between the start and the current positions to time trades.

Potential aspects could then be marked up on the price chart. And the trader could review the Ephemeris software whilst doing this.
This, I understand is how Wave59 does it.

2)Another option is to build an ephemeris wheel actually in the MT4 platform.
I'm not sure how feasible that is. It sounds pretty tricky, but I'm not a proper coder.

3)Yet another option would be having some sort of grid in the MT4 platform that marks key aspects between objects such as start price, current price, Midheaven, the Moon etc.
The display would need to have a + or - tolerance for what is describes as "square" etc eg 92 degrees is classed as square or 89 degrees.

I really think using price as one of the aspects is vital to a successful astro system. Without it, I think astro concepts are of very/even extremely limited value.

PS I notice in your profile that favourite book is Earik Beann's Handbook of Market Esoterica. I've studied it in depth too.
Much of it seems to make sense to me. Other bits (eg the visitors in planetary houses) seems a bit perculiar. I wonder how good a system Beann's would be if rigorously followed?

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4)Another way would be just to have a lower window indicator where the aspect between price and a planet (or midheaven or n node etc) was plotted. There would need to be a soft variable where you could choose how much price movement equals 360 degrees of movement. As few planets/astro objects move quickly, something like the ZET ephemeris could be referred to for the slower moving objects.
  • #8,246
  • May 16, 2017 8:54am May 16, 2017 8:54am
Quoting newbegger
{quote} Are you aware of any black holes in our solar system?
there are black holes in our galaxy and one could be ejected in the direction of our solar system by the merger of two other black holes.

then there is also the case for planet X and how it influences the orbits of objects

and the orbits of the planets are elliptical not circular so this also changes the planetary cycles
Don't Worry Be Happy
  • #8,247
  • May 16, 2017 10:15am May 16, 2017 10:15am
Quoting MrPresident
{quote} there are black holes in our galaxy and one could be ejected in the direction of our solar system by the merger of two other black holes. then there is also the case for planet X and how it influences the orbits of objects and the orbits of the planets are elliptical not circular so this also changes the planetary cycles
so... to sum it up, you do not believe in Planetary Cycles Trading because of black holes and Planet X. That leaves the obvious question, why are you in this thread? To prove believers are wrong?
Ecclesiastes 1:9
  • #8,248
  • May 16, 2017 12:05pm May 16, 2017 12:05pm
Quoting PipSharer
{quote} Correct JR97. As I see it, there are numerous ways of showing things. 1)One way is to have a start ephemeris scale (showing object positions at the start time) and a progressed ephemeris scale on the outside ie the current time. Aspects can be drawn between the start and the current positions to time trades. Potential aspects could then be marked up on the price chart. And the trader could review the Ephemeris software whilst doing this. This, I understand is how Wave59 does it. 2)Another option is to build an ephemeris wheel actually in...

I programmed my Wave59 script to have the user enter the range and steps for price around the ephem. It's pretty slick. Then it's just a matter of choosing which aspects and steps for the instrument/time period. It's more of an art than a science. I tend to give more weight to squares and trines so I adjusted parameters to where the lines were in correlation with actual prices. Over the years I really saw no advantage over the method than any other horizontal line method be it pivots, sq9 lines, murray math, blah blah blah. I'm not saying the lines weren't useful or correlative, because they are. But for me, the cost and time value of development into mt4 wasn't worth the ROI when I've got other things that are more accurate with less guess work.

As far as Earik Beann, I've got most of his work. Not cheap. Especially for that last book. Ironically, he doesn't use much of his astro stuff anymore.

The ganzilla software might still have the ability to plot prices around the ephem. google it. it's free. At one point it had the ability to sync to live prices, but I think Beann went after him for copyright violation or something.

The other thing I used to do was to do the math in Excel which I had linked to the swed.dll or whatever its called and then I wrote a script in mt4 to get the lines from Excel into my mt4 charts. I also used that same script to import other astro lines both horizontal and vertical I'd generate in Excel. I'll post it here if I find it. It's been years and a few HD crashes since I used any of that stuff.
  • #8,249
  • May 16, 2017 1:14pm May 16, 2017 1:14pm
Quoting newbegger
{quote} so... to sum it up, you do not believe in Planetary Cycles Trading because of black holes and Planet X. That leaves the obvious question, why are you in this thread? To prove believers are wrong?
A great Indian saint had said,

"God, let my worst critics stay in my neighborhood"...




Regards
piptakers
  • #8,250
  • May 16, 2017 2:32pm May 16, 2017 2:32pm
Quoting piptakers
{quote} A great Indian saint had said, "God, let my worst critics stay in my neighborhood"... Regards piptakers
yeah..... so I can break their heads , without having to travel much . . . .

  • #8,251
  • May 16, 2017 4:50pm May 16, 2017 4:50pm
Quoting santoso_am
Paulselvan, good job New Mql drop support for pointer type @ For this causes, we can't use star/astroid files Equivalent zodiacal position is only a matter of factorial calculation, but sadly I found difficult modulus formula/syntax in mql... Hope we can share syntax/formula coding..
Hi santoso_am
Tnx for this info about @
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Attached rough pg gives equivalence between zod. position and equa. coord.
Note : Date in Mql4 is limited by "1970.01.01 00:00:00" so the ephemeris also !
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  • #8,252
  • May 16, 2017 11:27pm May 16, 2017 11:27pm
Tuesday night update... I am trying a new model... a composite of the 1-15th harmonic of Sun-Sun
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  • #8,253
  • May 17, 2017 12:24am May 17, 2017 12:24am
Quoting piptakers
{quote} A great Indian saint had said, "God, let my worst critics stay in my neighborhood"... Regards piptakers
It's better to have all dogs barking with you, than one against you.

My mother-in-law -RIP

Similar quote.

Still waiting for reply from the dull-witted remarks of mr prez. I have found in internet forums as well as in life that many people derive pleasure in putting other people down, or trapping them using baiting questions. I will not be long in my interrogations with this member. Already have this one pegged and will follow his posts with great interest.
Ecclesiastes 1:9
  • #8,254
  • Edited 8:35am May 17, 2017 8:23am | Edited 8:35am
Quoting JR97
{quote} . As far as Earik Beann, I've got most of his work. Not cheap. Especially for that last book. Ironically, he doesn't use much of his astro stuff anymore. .
Larry Williams offered sage advice on our Timing Solutions user group yesterday... Not to be overly concerned with predicting the future but instead manage your trades well... that even with a large percentage of losers, it is still entirely possible to grow your account nicely.

A back to basics reminder of risk management: https://www.thebalance.com/day-trade...ratios-1031457
  • #8,255
  • May 17, 2017 8:51am May 17, 2017 8:51am
Jerry,

i`m sure that LW is using different tools and time frames to get confirmation for the actual signal and if a change is occured.

Sixer
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  • #8,256
  • May 17, 2017 10:43am May 17, 2017 10:43am
Quoting newbegger
{quote} It's better to have all dogs barking with you, than one against you. My mother-in-law -RIP Similar quote. Still waiting for reply from the dull-witted remarks of mr prez. I have found in internet forums as well as in life that many people derive pleasure in putting other people down, or trapping them using baiting questions. I will not be long in my interrogations with this member. Already have this one pegged and will follow his posts with great interest.
you can follow my trades and make some money because i don't use planetary cycles

i would never recommend trading based on mythology or something else to a friend or stranger because i know such advice will result in losses

i actually support educating and helping people succeed and not put them down
Don't Worry Be Happy
  • #8,257
  • May 17, 2017 2:07pm May 17, 2017 2:07pm
Quoting JR97
{quote} I programmed my Wave59 script to have the user enter the range and steps for price around the ephem. It's pretty slick. Then it's just a matter of choosing which aspects and steps for the instrument/time period. It's more of an art than a science. I tend to give more weight to squares and trines so I adjusted parameters to where the lines were in correlation with actual prices. Over the years I really saw no advantage over the method than any other horizontal line method be it pivots, sq9 lines, murray math, blah blah blah. I'm not saying...
Actually, I thought about this separate price-time approach ie separate price-time indicators alongside any Astro indicators.

Pivots and Murrey are ok. But I'm looking to add something that gives predictive timing and targets, away from oscillator based systems. So Gann and Astro would seem good.

I looked at Gannzilla today. Norton does a security alert on though (probably due to the small number of downloads). Also I can't seem to find any Gannzilla instructions. Does anyone have any?

I don't see how Beann could complain about Gannzilla. Because its only what numerous educators have done over the years.
Beann certainly adds a new dimension to most traders systems. The problem is finding suitable indicators to instigate that.

Please post your indicator if you can find it.
  • #8,258
  • May 17, 2017 2:17pm May 17, 2017 2:17pm
Quoting jnevins
{quote} Larry Williams offered sage advice on our Timing Solutions user group yesterday... Not to be overly concerned with predicting the future but instead manage your trades well... that even with a large percentage of losers, it is still entirely possible to grow your account nicely. A back to basics reminder of risk management: https://www.thebalance.com/day-trade...ratios-1031457
I live by Larry Psevento's quote: "It's not about predicting the future. It's about knowing when the future has arrived and risking accordingly.'
  • #8,259
  • May 17, 2017 2:26pm May 17, 2017 2:26pm
Quoting PipSharer
{quote} But I'm looking to add something that gives predictive timing and targets, away from oscillator based systems. So Gann and Astro would seem good.
High confluence between expected ranges/fibs/astro price/trend lines... that's what I do. Preponderance of evidence. As far as timing goes, the best time forecast method I use doesn't even look at previous time. It at actually looks at price. And then iteratively generates time cycle forecasts. The whole unified space-time or price-time concept. The other time forecast model is just the market participants themselves. People live their lives by cycles. Just gotta know how to plot that on a chart.

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Yellow line is the forecast. It inverts like crazy so I just look for the major turns as timing and not necessarily direction or magnitude. Stupidly simple method.

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  • #8,260
  • Edited 6:15pm May 17, 2017 5:51pm | Edited 6:15pm
Quoting MrPresident
{quote} you can follow my trades and make some money because i don't use planetary cycles i would never recommend trading based on mythology or something else to a friend or stranger because i know such advice will result in losses i actually support educating and helping people succeed and not put them down
W.D.Gann used planetary cycles for his work. Worked well for him. Jesse Livermore did not use planetary cycles and he also did well. Contrary to popular belief, I think the crushing tax burden on traders in that era was why their fortunes were lost. Govt took their money.

Just because you do, or do not believe in something, does not make it fact. It's just your facts.

I do not believe in Elliott Wave theory. Why? Because it never worked for me. But does Elliott Wave work? It does for someone who knows how to do the counts. And knows where exit the trade and use the alternate count when the original count fails.
Ecclesiastes 1:9
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